Banning - This is sick!

[M1 Abrams]

I'm well aware that I'm a relative new comer to the site. I'm also aware that people have been banned in my short tenure here for a variety of reasons. Yet none of them seem as extreme as wishing death on and cheering the deaths of U.S. and British servicemen and women. I've seen this done in a multitude of posts. But none so blatent and disturbing as Lostsouls recent posts. He starts by stating that 16 U.S. and British servicemen had died. He then goes on to say that he hopes the body count will continue to rise. All the right wingers on this sight know that it is A LEFT WING SITE. However, I never took this to mean anti-American and anti-life. Even those of us that are pro war do not cheer the deaths of soldiers on either side. And those that do should be repremanded severly. I personaly don't want to be part of such a hateful website. Don't let people(left or right) use this as a forum to preach hate.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from M1 Abrams on 8:15 pm on Mar. 23, 2003
I'm well aware that I'm a relative new comer to the site. I'm also aware that people have been banned in my short tenure here for a variety of reasons. Yet none of them seem as extreme as wishing death on and cheering the deaths of U.S. and British servicemen and women. I've seen this done in a multitude of posts. But none so blatent and disturbing as Lostsouls recent posts. He starts by stating that 16 U.S. and British servicemen had died. He then goes on to say that he hopes the body count will continue to rise. All the right wingers on this sight know that it is A LEFT WING SITE. However, I never took this to mean anti-American and anti-life. Even those of us that are pro war do not cheer the deaths of soldiers on either side. And those that do should be repremanded severly. I personaly don't want to be part of such a hateful website. Don't let people(left or right) use this as a forum to preach hate.

I agree that the people who made that comment should be banned or at least caged... I am in no doubt that if they had said yey Iraqi's have died then they would be long banned, why is it different for US, UK soldures?

MODS do tell...

[LOIC]

"Even those of us that are pro war do not cheer the deaths of soldiers on either side. "

But you cheer the bombing of iraq. That's a hypocrite attitude: "let's bomb iraq but killing someone is bad".
Laughable!
If you are pro war you necessarily want the death of your enemy.

[Invader Zim]

LOIC Posted on 8:32 pm on Mar. 23, 2003
"Even those of us that are pro war do not cheer the deaths of soldiers on either side. "

But you cheer the bombing of iraq. That's a hypocrite attitude: "let's bomb iraq but killing someone is bad".
Laughable!
If you are pro war you necessarily want the death of your enemy.


You are an even bigger hypocrit. You claim to be pro revolution and anti facist. And when the oppertunity arises to remove the most prolfic facist of the new century you dont want to.... How Hypocritical.

(Edited by AK47 at 8:42 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)

[LOIC]

"You are an even bigger hypocrit. You claim to be pro revolution and anti facist. And when the oppertunity arises to remove the most prolfic facist of the new century you dont want to.... How Hypocritical. "

To remove saddam would be a great thing but only if it is supported by the iraqis and only if it gives the power to the iraqis.
This war is directed by the u$ for the u$ interests.
This is imperialism. So I can't be in favor of this war.

[M1 Abrams]

This thread doesn't need to turn into another debate about the right of the coalition to oust the current Iraqi regime. We've beaten that horse to death. If you are defending Lostsoul then just come out and do it. He is spreading hate and should be banned imediatly.

[LOIC]

"If you are defending Lostsoul then just come out and do it. "

American and british soldiers in iraq are imperialists soldiers. So, like I said in another topic, concerning their death: good riddance.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from LOIC on 9:13 pm on Mar. 23, 2003
"If you are defending Lostsoul then just come out and do it. "

American and british soldiers in iraq are imperialists soldiers. So, like I said in another topic, concerning their death: good riddance.

Imperialist they maybe but they are fighting facism so i support them right down to the ground

[Anonymous]

Quote: from LOIC on 2:13 am on Mar. 24, 2003
"If you are defending Lostsoul then just come out and do it. "

American and british soldiers in iraq are imperialists soldiers. So, like I said in another topic, concerning their death: good riddance.


Fuck you.

[Beccie]

Anyone who cheers for the death of a person is a fucking bastard. Anyone who supports this war is a murderer.

(Edited by Commie01 at 9:37 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Commie01 on 9:35 pm on Mar. 23, 2003
Anyone who cheers for the death of a person is a fucking bastard. Anyone who supports this war is a murderer.

(Edited by Commie01 at 9:37 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)


Who ever says that is immoral considering the alternative...

[Xvall]

Maybe you would like to talk about the stupid bulldozer pictures running over anti-war protesters that that one idiot on the board constantly posts? At least the british soldier idiot is cheering at the death of military personell; not civilians.

[Beccie]

Quote: from AK47 on 9:39 pm on Mar. 23, 2003

Quote: from Commie01 on 9:35 pm on Mar. 23, 2003
Anyone who cheers for the death of a person is a fucking bastard. Anyone who supports this war is a murderer.

(Edited by Commie01 at 9:37 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)


Who ever says that is immoral considering the alternative...


If you support the war on Iraq then you are supporting death. Why should you be outraged at loustsouls comments? Those soldiers died in a war you support.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Commie01 on 10:14 pm on Mar. 23, 2003

Quote: from AK47 on 9:39 pm on Mar. 23, 2003

Quote: from Commie01 on 9:35 pm on Mar. 23, 2003
Anyone who cheers for the death of a person is a fucking bastard. Anyone who supports this war is a murderer.

(Edited by Commie01 at 9:37 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)


Who ever says that is immoral considering the alternative...


If you support the war on Iraq then you are supporting death. Why should you be outraged at loustsouls comments? Those soldiers died in a war you support.


I do not condone any death. However to remove Saddam i see it must be doe. But to fucking celebrate it is twisted, sick, immoral and unallowable.

[Beccie]

AK47

I completely agree. Lostsoul is a racist and a fucking disgrace to the left. I do not condone death either. That is why I am against this war and it is also the reason why I am against Saddams regime. Saddams regime does need to be removed but not by imperialist America.

[redstar2000]

Compared to George W. Bush & Co., Saddam Hussein is a pimple compared to terminal cancer.

Servile lackeys of U.S. imperialism like AK47 will deny this heatedly, of course.

<YAWN>

It's not really unexpected. There has always been a current of quasi-leftism that claims to be opposed to capitalism but always ends up supporting the latest imperial adventure.

They always claim to support the "peaceful, gradual road to socialism"...and, in fact, they always really support the violent road to empire.

Perhaps one should be saddened, but, somehow, disgust is what comes to my mind.

:o

[Jaha]

censorship is stupid

[M1 Abrams]

Why is Lost soul constantly allowed to cheer death. His little catch phrase (YAY) makes me sick. If he and his like are allowed to continue preaching there hate then the sites integrety will begin to come into question. There are people dying. DYING YOU SICK FUCK! I'm assuming you are either a teenager or partially retarded. Maybe I'm a bit naive but I cannot fathom another reason for your blatent, evil, hateful, garbage. Banning you from the site is not only warrented, but it will reiterate that this is a legitimate forum for INTELLIGENT, INFORMED, discussion. And I smiled upon hearing you were Canadian. You are aware that that essentially makes you American right? You are America with better strip clubs and no military might; with just enough France thrown in to make you all sanctimonious pricks.

[M1 Abrams]

RIGHTIES COME TO ARMS! This prick cannot be allowed to spout this garbage. Support his banning.

[lostsoul]

I was not aware there was a section about me here.

Well, it seems very easy for some of you people to support your army when it murders, but when it is the one being murder then all of a sudden its very bad. Remember Iraq didn't ask for this, America did. So if Americian/british forces don't want to die, then they should leave.

But until the imperialistic beast keeps its presence in that region, then i will be cheering for the defenders, and anything that keeps them strong and the invaders weak. Its not sick, twisted, etc....its common sense.

i prefer to read most posts here then to reply, so banning me won't really effect me. It will just give some idiots here such as yourself the feeling that everyone here agree's withs you.

Once your little right wing girls are done reading this post, maybe go cry to the admin so i can get banned.

whaaa whhaaaaa Some of you are so low, that i'm glad your on the right, cause you make all rightwingers looks bad with retards like you representing them.

[sc4r]

This is a war between capitalists and a Facist. Its somewhat natural for socialists living in capitalist nations to be confused; they dont wanat the war both for humanitarian and for ideological reasons; but are pressured into 'cheering on' one side.

This will lead to cheers by some when USUK soldiers die simply as a means of expressing antipathy towards capitalism.

However for our capitalist contingenmt to attempt to claim that no such unpleasant noises are comig from elements of the right in response to every death caused by USUK forces (even to civilians in some cases) is disengenous.

Yes if we were all saints with no real emotions except entirely pacifist ones then there should be no cheering; but the truth is that we are people and our emotions let us down sometimes.

For the record I do not cheer USUK deaths or gloate upon the sort of mistakes that are inevitble in war. and I dont really condone those who do. But I can understand the confused emotions that lead them to.

Because this is a war which will re-inforce capitalist imperialism, the fact that it will defeat a facist is some consolation; but only a consolation.

[canikickit]

M1 Abrams,

your sig and your name are doing indirectly what lostsoul is doing directly. Just remember that the US are the agressors here. You're just coming across as a hypocrite to me.


You are aware that that essentially makes you American right? You are America with better strip clubs and no military might; with just enough France thrown in to make you all sanctimonious pricks.

This horseshit is far more offensive to me than what he is saying.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Some of the soldiers fighting believe(d) in a cause.This cause they may have been right or wrong about, hell there may not even be a right or wrong.

There are others who do not want to be there, but army buddies may be perssring them into it, they may be made to fight, either way these people are not there by choice.

There are civillians, some may support the war, as above, or be against it as above. Some may be against it, and tried, yet have been ignored.

All have one thing in common, they are people. Assuming that you you chose the left for more egalitarian goals, you should not discriminate between one life and another. We do not know the people that died, if you celebratye their death's because you seem them in the wrong you are a bigot. You firstly;see yourself as superior, secondly see live's worth different amounts based on you preconceptions which you know may well be false.

"Cast Jesus and Judas equally aside" Lets face it, we don't know why people are there, what they are doing there, why they are doing it, or whether they want to. I mourn 3000 dead soldiers equally as 3000 deaths in the world trade centre.

If one man shoots another, that is the nature of conflict, evil is intensified, it may be better in the long term, but lets not forget it is still evil.

The war may be being used for other motives, that is the nature of the systems in place today. I am not debating what is right and wrong, I am just saying it is an interesting stance to take. Is it because you are misinformed, or truely believe that those deaths were well deserved? Ask yourself that again when some one clos to you, or you yourself are dieing.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Wouldn't you cheer if a murderer got it's deserverd punishment?

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from CCCP on 9:23 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
Wouldn't you cheer if a murderer got it's deserverd punishment?



Well as i am against the death centance as is most of the liberal leftist cause, i am damn well not happy actualy, in fact im god dammed pissed off about it.

[Hegemonicretribution]

CCCP If that was directed at me then no, it would show failure, of society to the criminal, and the criminal to society. If the killer took their own life out of guilt then that is a different issue, but I see it as a failure for them to be deprived of a life when we cannot understand.

When I look at extreme crimes I am sickened, but part of me wonders what it is like inside the heads of these people. This side of me is away from my political beliefs, they are there so I have a vision of a society where I wouldn't have to wonder about such things.

Actually AK47 I think it was only implied the death penalty, not mentioned. It was you that was thinking about killing someone ;) My response above was aimed for it, I was asuming that was what was meant.

It shouldn't be, in my opinion, the goal to kill Saddam and that justifies the death of so many innocents. (I include soldiers to some extent as innocents). It should be the goal to protect innocents, and that is the justification for killing Saddam.

We spend to much time mourning life, and celebrating death. Surely celebration of life is better.

[M1 Abrams]

under NO circumstances would I cheer death. Anyone who would is SICK......PERIOD!

[lifetrnal]

I am an american. I understand that the soldiers who are dying in Iraq as we argue about this are VICTIMS of
Capitalism. It is horrible that to escape poverty (you all know thats where 90% of US volunteers come from) these men and women now find themselves dying for Imperialism. This being said, I can not understand the indignation that pro-war americans are feeling at those who applaued the death of our soldiers. Someone else here pointed out the hypocracy of those who cheer for the death of Iraqis to be complaining about those who view the United States as an enemy cheering the death of our soldiers. This is what we call a special pleading. It is blatently fallacious to say, "Its wrong for them to do it, but okay for me... it's diffrent". Well its not diffrent. War is murder.
As to AK47, your claim that Saddan Hussien is a facist. Well, that may be, but the United States is now in a postion where it is FORCING Capitalism on the world. This to me is just as facist... and I view this war as TWO facist armies competing for power. One wants empire and the other HAS empire and wants it to thrive. So I do not cheer this war. I do feel for my fellows though who have been forced to die for this Empire, JUST as I feel for the Iraqis who are forced to die for their leaders WANT of an Empire.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from hegemonicretrobution on 11:07 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
CCCP If that was directed at me then no, it would show failure, of society to the criminal, and the criminal to society. If the killer took their own life out of guilt then that is a different issue, but I see it as a failure for them to be deprived of a life when we cannot understand.

When I look at extreme crimes I am sickened, but part of me wonders what it is like inside the heads of these people. This side of me is away from my political beliefs, they are there so I have a vision of a society where I wouldn't have to wonder about such things.

Actually AK47 I think it was only implied the death penalty, not mentioned. It was you that was thinking about killing someone ;) My response above was aimed for it, I was asuming that was what was meant.

It shouldn't be, in my opinion, the goal to kill Saddam and that justifies the death of so many innocents. (I include soldiers to some extent as innocents). It should be the goal to protect innocents, and that is the justification for killing Saddam.

We spend to much time mourning life, and celebrating death. Surely celebration of life is better.


I think death penalty should be used in extreme cases, I mean not US style, where it has become a regular proces. But I mean real extreme cases.

Still this is something what I am thinking a lot of lately and I am open for discussions and comments.

[Chiak47]

It takes years and years in order for a death sentence to go through here in the states.

It takes seconds for one to take place under laftie regimes...

[sc4r]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 10:54 pm on Mar. 27, 2003
It takes years and years in order for a death sentence to go through here in the states.

It takes seconds for one to take place under laftie regimes...

Care to name those regimes ? A

Anybody want to bet they will not be 'leftiie' but will be fascist ones ?

And you are the 'reasonable and informed' guy who is demanding access to other parts of thise site like a spoilt child !

[lostsoul]

you call me sick for saying my views?
i hope america gets 50% of what they did to others back to them in iraq. They will surely die like the heartless pigs they are. (actually i have more respect for animals then america soliders, cia, and politians).

http://image.pathfinder.com/Life/60th/clas...ic/cv112665.jpg (http://image.pathfinder.com/Life/60th/classic/cv112665.jpg)

http://www.transom.org/talk/photos/200108....8.ut.napalm.jpg (http://www.transom.org/talk/photos/200108.ut.napalm.jpg)

http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/v...otos/18.jpg.jpg (http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/vietphotos/18.jpg.jpg)

http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/p.../photoessay.htm (http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/photoessay.htm)

Look throughout history..if you are not part of white america, your not a human in their eyes. I don't want anything crazy to happen to the soliders, i simply want an eye for an eye for all the fallen souls that loss their life so america can enforce they're will on others.

If need be, i hope iraqi's turn iraq into another vietnam for america, as long as their military stays their livies are in danger.

Please think my words are directed towards america people in general, most of them don't know what is going on, they honestly believe america is the good guy, but i am sure if their media was more honest they would rise up.

I share this belief also in wife beats, and child molesters.(which america is very simlair too..by enforing its will on others and using it for its own gains).

[M1 Abrams]

Gaysoul is an idiot. nuff said.

[Social Democrat]

Quote: from M1 Abrams on 7:39 pm on Mar. 28, 2003
Gaysoul is an idiot. nuff said.

Can't you come up with something better than that? A wordplay on his username is all you've got?

It's sad when people like you represent all capitalists.
Socialists, please don't think he represents ALL of us, just the majority. ;)

[M1 Abrams]

Oh I get it. You are one of the many losers on the site that feel the need to anylize and critisize others posts. I'd be preferable for you to simply come up with an original idea and post that. So far I have just seen comments on the manner in which others post.

[Social Democrat]

Quote: from M1 Abrams on 8:23 pm on Mar. 28, 2003
Oh I get it. You are one of the many losers on the site that feel the need to anylize and critisize others posts. I'd be preferable for you to simply come up with an original idea and post that. So far I have just seen comments on the manner in which others post.

no, I'm just one of the many people on this site who feels that I should stand up for my fellow man when he is being unfairly demoralized in a public forum.

"nuff said"

[Zombie]

Quote: from M1 Abrams on 10:39 pm on Mar. 28, 2003
Gaysoul is an idiot. nuff said.

Chiak47 wannabe.
At least he showed some effort in coming up with some original wordplays... but you, dear one, you're not.
u're pathetic, nuff said

[M1 Abrams]

Zombie, yuor command of the english language is astounding

"Chiak47 wannabe. At least he showed some effort in coming up with some original wordplays... but you, dear one, you're not."

HUH?

[lostsoul]

As much as i dislike losers like that guy, and think their lives are worthless, i kind of feel we need them here.

The sad truth is that many many many people in the world are like those guys(put on CNN, every retard they interview is probally from that guys trailor park).

We shouldn't waste our time insulting them, when they attempt to be funny, we should try to understand them, figure out how their brains work and how we can get them to either agree with us or scam them into helping our cause. Agruing about stupid shit is stupid, I am hoping everything people do and say here they are talking about inorder to implement in real life, and if you do try that its going to these kind of people who will stand in your way, so take the time to study them.

there are many stupid people in the world, but a stupid capitalist is stupid and greedy. I read a biography on Stalin about a year ago, i don't remember specific events but i remember when i was done i was very impressed on how well he used people's stupidy and greed against them so well. We got to cover our weakness and explote theirs. I consider a big weakness of socialist, is that their too kind and very easily scammed, and most of the ones i have seen are too passive, while capilistist are greedy, not as intelligent(compared to the socialist i have met), and usually aggressive.

AHHH sorry for this super long post, all i am trying to say is that, we shouldn't attack each other personally, we should attack each others idea's. If someone does it to you it just means they can't attack your idea so their desprate to put you down any way they can, and seeing how lame that guys joke was, it shows he's out ammo.

sorry for the long post.