The World Would Be Better Off WITH Communism?

[kelvin90701]

I do not agree and I do not want to see the experiment tried here in the USA. There have been to many failed attempts to justify another attempt of the experiment here in the USA.

[Smoking Frog II]

well done. a perfectly perfect example of opposing ideologies. 12 1/2 stars out of a possible ten i award yoo.

[Chiak47]

AMEN,It's like Wile E. Coyote always trying to get the road runner.His plans fail each and everytime.They look good on paper but the are too complex and he has to be broke cause ACME is not that cheap made in china shit.

whoa sometime I surprise myself.All that and I still believe dope heads should be shot.

[Xvall]

Chiak47:

They look good on paper but the are too complex and he has to be broke cause ACME is not that cheap made in china shit.

LMAO.

Are you forgetting that a good portion of American items consist of that cheap made in china shit? Well. As to the topic of conversation, it has little merit to me. World peace has been attempted and failed; but it does not mean that we should give up on it.

[Chiak47]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 12:54 am on Mar. 24, 2003
Chiak47:


LMAO.

Are you forgetting that a good portion of American items consist of that cheap made in china shit?

Yes I know.But for .20 cents an hr what do you expect.
No unemployment in China.lol

[Capitalist Imperial]

never has, never will

fuck all commie pukes

[Zombie]

Quote: from Smoking Frog II on 11:58 am on Mar. 23, 2003
well done. a perfectly perfect example of opposing ideologies. 12 1/2 stars out of a possible ten i award yoo.

i was just curious, out of ur 835 posts, how many were actually meaningful?

[Guest1]

umm... smoking frog was being sarcastic me thinks.

[kelvin90701]

To Che y Marijuana and Zombie:

How do you address the orginal post?

[ComradeJunichi]

Quote: from kelvin90701 on 4:54 pm on Mar. 23, 2003
I do not agree and I do not want to see the experiment tried here in the USA. There have been to many failed attempts to justify another attempt of the experiment here in the USA.


Your thread title you talk about the world, but in your first post you talk about the US. Experiment? Who in their right mind would experiment any form of government just for the hell of it?

Socialism often is applied differently according to the country and the dilemma or situation.

[Chiak47]

Quote: from ComradeJunichi on 2:04 pm on Mar. 24, 2003

Quote: from kelvin90701 on 4:54 pm on Mar. 23, 2003


Your thread title you talk about the world, but in your first post you talk about the US. Experiment? Who in their right mind would experiment any form of government just for the hell of it?



USSR?

Just a guess.

[ComradeJunichi]

They didn't create a socialist government in the USSR just for the hell of it. It was a revolution backed by masses, and system put in place because of the unfairness and injustices by the outdated Tsarist - economically backwards - Russia.

[Pete]

If you compare the CCCP and the Russian Empire you would probaly see the CCCP as a much more friendly nation to live in. It improved the nation countless numbers of times, and most of it was during the 10 years before WWII. Although communism is meant for an industrialized society, it has only been applied in agrarian or feudal ones, that part of the reason why it turns out as it does.

[kelvin90701]

Quote: from ComradeJunichi on 8:01 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
They didn't create a socialist government in the USSR just for the hell of it. It was a revolution backed by masses, and system put in place because of the unfairness and injustices by the outdated Tsarist - economically backwards - Russia.


The Russians took on a communist experiment out of need. The Russians had just destroyed a social order and were creating another one. They could have went with a free market experiment or a communist experiment, but they choose a communist.

My orginal post argues we do not need the experiment here in the USA. We have one in progress here in the USA. It may not be the best, but the alternative? Another Russia? Another China? Just based counting the communist countries that have failed and the ones that are still around. What are the chances that a communist USA experiment will be around after 50 years? 1 in 5, 1 in 10, 1 in 15?

[Chiak47]

Under communism people probably would not have SUV's so the goods are not sold.Sorry.

Socialism maybe(ick) but full blown communist?(naaa)

(Edited by Chiak47 at 2:44 am on Mar. 25, 2003)

[Mazdak]

The Russians did not have communism. Has this not been mentions 21,493,205,814,096,730,196,713,094,763,760,913,745 ,690,236,161,123 times already? USSR means Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The USSR was socialist. It never claimed to be anything else.

[Chiak47]

So I've heard.
It's like your avoiding the "C" word with great fury.

I guess your the official mascot of the red dope heads of America.



Years of public education has me to believe otherwise.

[ComradeJunichi]

What the hell are you saying Chiak?

Yes, Mazdak, agreed. Union of Soviet Socialists Republic.

[Chiak47]

Ok china is not communist ussr is not communist n.korea is not communist

What about cuba?

Funny I was taught otherwise.

They are all red's too me.And the only good red is a .....Well you get the picture

[Mazdak]

You were taught wrong. Cuba is socialist.

OH, and you'd be surprised. I AM THE LAST PERSON TO TALK TO ABOUT DRUGS, AS THESE POT SMOKING DIRT BAGS KNOW FULL WELL.

[Chiak47]

Well holy shit.A reborne drug heaper.What happened red?Did you have a bad experience?Did you lose feeling from the nips down?
Do tell.cause I have yet to meet a red who was sober.

[Mazdak]

No. I abstain from all forms of addictives. They should be banned or the penalty increased severly. In fact, part of the reason i was banned was this belief.

[Chiak47]

Even Marx had problems with it.Hmm I see a trend that works for us cappies.

[Mazdak]

Marx was a divine being. He had no problem. Stop with your capitalist lies.

[Chiak47]

I agree with you that drugs are a drag on society and should be punishable by death.jmo...

[kelvin90701]

Quote: from Mazdak on 2:47 am on Mar. 25, 2003
The Russians did not have communism. Has this not been mentions 21,493,205,814,096,730,196,713,094,763,760,913,745 ,690,236,161,123 times already? USSR means Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The USSR was socialist. It never claimed to be anything else.


Socialist or Communist? That is just nomenclature. My question still needs to be answered. If we try the socialist experiement, just by counting the failed attempts and the successful attempts, what are the chances that a another experiment in the USA or anywhere else will be successful? 1 in 5, 1 in 10, 1 in 20?

My point is there have been enough failed attempts, we don't need to try it anymore.

[Chiak47]

Only 20,000,000 million died can't we give it 1 more chance?

[kelvin90701]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 5:31 am on Mar. 25, 2003
Only 20,000,000 million died can't we give it 1 more chance?

Good point. Our democratic/free market is responsible for a lot of suffering in this world, but we do not have a corner on that market (no pun intended). The communist/socialist experiments also have a pretty good share of suffering. Most of the suffering was done in secret, in a ditch, with a bullet to the back of the head.

[Cassius Clay]

Well today 1 Billion people live in absoblute poverty, I would say things need a change. Oh and '20 Million' got news for you the good old U$A has three million more people in jail than the USSR ever had. Ofcourse don't let a thing like FACTS get in the way, like that dear old raving Fascist Soljenistysn.

Anyway even in the U$ 10% of the population doesn't have enough to eat, so perhaps things could do with a improvement there to. Anyway Capitalism will collapse at it's weakest links where the prolerariat and peasants are opprressed the most, not in the west.

Regarding the 'Failure' of Socialism so far. Who ever said we would win first time around?

[kelvin90701]

Quote: from Cassius Clay on 11:31 am on Mar. 25, 2003

Regarding the 'Failure' of Socialism so far. Who ever said we would win first time around?

Please see orginal post, but I will restate it for convience.

"I do not agree and I do not want to see the experiment tried here in the USA. There have been to many failed attempts to justify another attempt of the experiment here in the USA." - original post

A successful attempt will bring upon us a Sweeden or Norway. A failed attempt will bring us the USSR or China. Just from the numbers of failed attempts and numbers of successful attempts. What are the chances we will end up with a Sweeden or Norway? 1 in 5? 1 in 10? 1 in 20? What ever it is it is not 100% or even close to 50%. Those are mighty risky odds.

[Disgustipated]

Unfortunately, if you look at history Socialism/Communism never really got a fair chance in the world. The US spent countless resources fighting the "Red Scare".

Every time a socialist was elected in Central and South America, the CIA would run ops. to overthrow them or back a "liberation" army, spread lies and propaganda etc.

These actions also took place in Italy, Philipines, Greece, Syria, Indonesia, Haiti, Chile....the list goes on and on.
I think we can see by example how well it worked out when we replaced a popular left president with Pinochet in Chile.

It would be nice to watch a developing socialist society grow without outside harassment. Even the IMF said that Cuba's economy was a success even with the imposed sanctions and embargoes. I think that alone says volumes.

[kelvin90701]

Quote: from Disgustipated on 2:12 pm on Mar. 25, 2003
Unfortunately, if you look at history Socialism/Communism never really got a fair chance in the world. The US spent countless resources fighting the "Red Scare".


I argue that it is survival of the fitest between two systems. If it was truely a better system it would survive threw it's struggles. If it manages to survive such extreme test you outline, then it truely would be a superior system. In a survival of the fitest test there is no such thing as fair play.

To get back to the orginal post. Do you think a communist experiment is justified here in the USA?

(Edited by kelvin90701 at 2:24 pm on Mar. 25, 2003)