American soldier throws grenade into commando tent - who has

[Capitalist Imperial]

Does anyone know if they have given a motive or a description of the circumstances surrounding this incident?

[Anonymous]

WTF?!?!?!

[Chiak47]

he's a traitor pure and simple.

[synthesis]

If you mean what I think you do, these actions have given me an inkling of hope for the souls of the men in the U.S. army :biggrin:

edit: wait a sec, I got commando mixed up with commander, sorry, it's way past my bedtime :biggrin:

(Edited by DyerMaker at 9:02 am on Mar. 23, 2003)

[Chiak47]

He was a muslim who threw 4 grenades into some tents.1 American died another is in serious condition and 4-5 more are going to be ok.

He was shot and left to bleed for 20-30 minutes.I'm sure he is in good hands right now..

[Anarcho]

According to CNN (roll your eyes all you want, they are all over this war) the man rolled 3 grenades into 3 tents that were holding commanders and other higher ranking soldiers.

1 has died, and up to 14 are wounded. The man had been disciplined recently, and it is felt that his may have been a 'revenge' attack.

The man will probably be tried, and if found guilty, hung.

[Capitalist Imperial]

he should be drawn and quartered with 4 abrams tanks

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from DyerMaker on 8:53 am on Mar. 23, 2003
If you mean what I think you do, these actions have given me an inkling of hope for the souls of the men in the U.S. army :biggrin:

edit: wait a sec, I got commando mixed up with commander, sorry, it's way past my bedtime :biggrin:

(Edited by DyerMaker at 9:02 am on Mar. 23, 2003)


Fuck you, dyermaker

[synthesis]

Fuck you, too. I love your hypocrisy regarding America's murdered army officials and the rest of the world's innocents America has murdered.

By the way, I did think it said commander, whose deaths I will never mourn and whose graves I will always spit on.

I retracted my statement because I misread the title.


(Edited by DyerMaker at 8:59 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)

[Zombie]

He was shot and left to bleed for 20-30 minutes

and if found guilty, hung.

he should be drawn and quartered with 4 abrams tanks

He needs to be hung, or at least crushed by a tank
would you look at the great capitalist *justice* of theirs.
:cool:


(Edited by Zombie at 4:20 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)

[Anonymous]

He needs to be hung, or at least crushed by a tank.

[smith196]

Zombie he is a murderer and traitor and thus he must be punished.

[Saint-Just]

I would suspect that the perpetrator knew what his fate would be before he undertook this action.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Chairman Mao on 9:44 pm on Mar. 23, 2003
I would suspect that the perpetrator knew what his fate would be before he undertook this action.

I disagree, I think they only caught him because he himself was injured by frag himself. I believe that he had every intention of getting away with it.

[lostsoul]

i said it before..and i'll say it again

YAY!!!!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from lostsoul on 4:24 am on Mar. 24, 2003
i said it before..and i'll say it again

YAY!!!!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, fuck you, you canadian fuck. Your nation only prospers because you cling to the tit of american success. without us, you would have been a colony of the soviets today, and even with us around, you would be a poor nation without our trade support.

You are merely a nation of soft liberals, never akin to taking any action of your own. You merely sit back and player-hate from the sidelines, attacking the us while draped in a blanket of protection from her.

you are dispicable, and I am glad that you are north of the border, you canuck fuck

but go ahead, continue to sit back and benefit from america, because it makes it easier for you to criticize us when you are comfortable and safe

asshole

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 4:30 am on Mar. 24, 2003)

[lostsoul]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 4:29 am on Mar. 24, 2003

Quote: from lostsoul on 4:24 am on Mar. 24, 2003
i said it before..and i'll say it again

YAY!!!!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, fuck you, you canadian fuck. Your nation only prospers because you cling to the tit of american success. without us, you would have been a colony of the soviets today, and even with us around, you would be a poor nation without our trade support.

You are merely a nation of soft liberals, never akin to taking any action of your own. You merely sit back and player-hate from the sidelines, attacking the us while draped in a blanket of protection from her.

you are dispicable, and I am glad that you are north of the border, you canuck fuck

but go ahead, continue to sit back and benefit from america, because it makes it easier for you to criticize us when you are comfortable and safe

asshole

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 4:30 am on Mar. 24, 2003)


Your little fucken tailor trash fag, You and your goverment are nothing but little cocksuckers, that only prospoer based on the mistery of others.

During this iraq war, i honestly feel more sorry for Americians then iraqi's. You *****s will try to put in a bullshit goverment then just watch in the future when it gets taken down, it'll claim even more livies. Just like britian to africa, egypt, india, etc. America is like how britian used to be in the past and what happen to them? Hilter bombed the fuck out of them, and if wasn't for pussy America to come into the war later on britain would have been gone. I am sure that America's day will come too, and on that history is on my side (britain, mongonala, japan, etc..etc)

Canada is not motivated by its greed, like American dogs, we believe in peace, so we fight for it not for $$$.

Yo dickhead go travel around the world and tell people your Americian they'll punk you off. Only time i have seen Canadians murdered oversea's is when they were mistaken for Americans. Your country is built by the blood of others, and your country will drown in it.

Fucken hilbilly honkey

[redstar2000]

Things sure do move a lot faster these days than when I was young.

It once took five years (1964-69) to build a massive anti-war movement...now it takes what, five months?

And how long were U.S. forces in occupation in Vietnam before the first fragging...had to be five or six years at a minimum. Now, the war isn't five days old and the first fragging is done!

It's enough to make an old man hope!

:cool:

[Pete]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, fuck you, you canadian fuck.

May I call you Sir American Fuck? Really CI fuck off with the nationality flaming. I'm fucking sick of that bullshit.

Your nation only prospers because you cling to the tit of american success. without us, you would have been a colony of the soviets today, and even with us around, you would be a poor nation without our trade support.

Every statement is bullshit with little factual support. So I ask you this, prove it without using any of your normal sources. Check out Canadian History and tell me what you say is true. You do not know what you are talking about here CI.

You are merely a nation of soft liberals, never akin to taking any action of your own. You merely sit back and player-hate from the sidelines, attacking the us while draped in a blanket of protection from her.

We are not soft. We are standing up against your Imperalist bullshit again. It's been 20 years since the last time we did it, but we are back and will do it again. America has shit in our face too many times for us to thank them now. We have many things that America does not because we do take action on our own. It was Lester Pearson who came up with Peace Keeping. A Canadian. A prime minister later aswell. Really. CI fuck off. Your generalizations are based on false grounds. We are not protected by America. We are your fucking fallout zone. How is that protection? Who would attack us? We have been neutral in almost all of the conflicts since WWII. It is America that believes they protect us. We do not have a beef with anyone, or them us.

you are dispicable, and I am glad that you are north of the border, you canuck fuck

I am glad I am north of the border too. If I break my leg the doctors will fix me up and the province will pick up the tab. Of course your american bastards would be happy to see me die of infection because I do not have the money. To the south of me is a cesspool of hate, ignorance, and capitalism. I hope that one day they can feel atleast the slightest bit of Canada's barely socialist self.

but go ahead, continue to sit back and benefit from america,

America benifits from Canada more then we benifit from you.

because it makes it easier for you to criticize us when you are comfortable and safe

We did win a war against you fuckers. 1812 it is called. That is why we sit here safe. And our politicans are not ruled by corrupt powers called corporations. We care more about our people, less about profit. That is why we are safe. Our domestic and forgein policies, not America's, keep us safe. So fuck off with your bullshit. Go watch Canada: A People's History, or read a few grade 10 Text books. Hey you may need the Grade 7 and 8 text books too. You have no clue what you are talking about. So fuck off!!

~this was a bit different then my normal posts, but I have had enough American bullshit, and CI you over stepped your bounds this time. Grow the Fuck up!

[Chiak47]

It's amazing what you remember redstar.

I read in your "ohh look at me I was shagged by che and fidel at the same fucking nancy boy time" thread

That you didn't remember if fidel was a leftie or a right when it came to baseball.

You remember everything but the side of the base he was on?Funny....

So I take your word for what it's worth.Old dried up hippie.

5 days-10000 kids per city ohh....Sounds like a revolution is coming.Chicago couldn't muster up 10000 and we are a city of 4,000,000 including suburbs.They had to bus them in.LOL

You know damn well if Vietnam was played right-it would have been cakewalk for the US troops to push those commies back.

[canikickit]

Do you ever post anything of substance, Chiak? It doesn't look like it.

[Hampton]

These nonsensical fits of Chiak are getting worse and worse.

[Chiak47]

Hampton.I type out what I really want to say first.Then I hit submit with review-just to erase my real feelings.I usually do that about 5 times before I get a post I think you can relate too.

You have no clue how many people I want to invite to Chicago.
I could never fall for that FAKE love you little people try to preach.
But I'm harmless for now.
*When Charlie is in the Jungle,He gets stronger*

[canikickit]

I guess that answers my question.

[Umoja]

Wasn't the guy Black? I started to crack up when I heard that. I was like, Yes! Raise the bar for all of us!

Okay, that borders on being self-hating, but still it makes it more funny.

[redstar2000]

Chiak47, I have to agree my memory is not what it once was...nor anything else, for that matter.

Nevertheless, I remember the smell of shit...and even if I didn't, your presence would remind me.

Naturally you reek of public homophobia...usually a dead give-away of one's real, if repressed, sexuality.

I don't take it personally; insult is all people like you have to offer...verbally, at least. In person, I dare say, you'd attack me if you had a gang with you and you'd run away if you didn't. The fascist is always a bully...and, in the end, a coward.

Now, if you truly love the American 4th Reich with all your heart and all your soul, when are you going to enlist, oh brave and mighty warrior? :cheesy:

When pigs fly, perhaps?

:cool:

[Chiak47]

I see you put alot of time into this post.I'm shocked you put the bong down long enough too get that out.

Well I still think you are a 13 year old trying to live a commie wet dream fantasy...


Hmm at the time you were parading around with the sworn enemies of America (so you say) my Grandfather was in South East Asia doing what he was told to do.

BTW there are only 200,000 US troops in Iraq out of 2,000,000 standing army.I will gladly go when I'm needed.

(Edited by Chiak47 at 1:26 am on Mar. 25, 2003)

[Disgustipated]

Chiak. I'm tired of you "hippy" bashing.

If you think the movement of the sixties was all about drugs, then how unfortunate for you. You obviously have no idea what that generation went through to try to stop an unjust war in Vietnam. Even Nixon later on admitted that the protesting was integral in him deciding to withdraw. The constant pressure from the protesters outside made him crazy.

If you want to really know what the war was about, I suggest you open a book and do some real reading before you comment on it. Take a look at what South Vietnam was all about. Take a look at who was "running" South Vietnam and where he came from.

I'm sorry that any family member of yours was duped into participating in Vietnam.

You're problem is you have a very limited knowledge of history and probably an even more limited knowledge of socialism/communism.

[Anarcho]

Zombie- I know I've been gone awhile, but I'm still not exactly what you would call a capitalist. My comment about him being hung was based on my belief that that is how they deal with murderers in Military Prison. I was wrong.

If convicted, he will be subjected to firing squad.

The difference between this and the system in say.... the Soviet Union is that he will get a fair trial first.

Granted, the odds of him being found innocent are pretty slim.

[Chiak47]

Anarcho,let me introduce myself.
I am the voice of reason.
These people are fools.
I want to be rich and retire at 50.
I want to play golf till I'm 90.
I want my grandkids to go shooting with me.

Thank you,
ME

BTW do you purge also?

[synthesis]

I am the voice of reason.

This is coming from a guy who creates threads like "I hearby[sic] claim this forum American"?

Bullshit!

[Moondog]

Redstar2000, do you find something wrong with enlisting in the US military? When I finish this semester, and my time in ROTC I'll be an officer in the US Army. Protest may work, but change is best made from within. I don't plan on "fragging" my subordinates, but rather educating them as to why we should not fight.

[Chiak47]

Driersheet,

I am the voice of reason.Don't like it?I don't care...STFU and stop trolling me.

Thank you,
Disgusted in Chicago

[Ghost Writer]

I find this story and the sniper attacks to be very troubling. How many more of these radicals exist in our armed forces? Shouldn't we be screening Muslims with special scrutiny?

[Dhul Fiqar]

Quote: from Moondog on 5:10 pm on Mar. 26, 2003
Redstar2000, do you find something wrong with enlisting in the US military? When I finish this semester, and my time in ROTC I'll be an officer in the US Army. Protest may work, but change is best made from within. I don't plan on "fragging" my subordinates, but rather educating them as to why we should not fight.


Aha, you're joining the army to stop people from fighting? You do realize you'll be disciplined untill you stop or thrown out if you actually do anything of any substance to avert the death of even a single target, right?

--- G.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 5:22 pm on Mar. 26, 2003
I find this story and the sniper attacks to be very troubling. How many more of these radicals exist in our armed forces? Shouldn't we be screening Muslims with special scrutiny?


You know, if you and Mazdak worked together you might be able to come up with some sort of mass-sterilization campaign for high-risk groups of people.

--- G.

[Ghost Writer]

Damn, I didn't even read that quote from moondog, Dhul. It certainly raises the same question that my earlier post does. He should be thrown out of ROTC, and should have to pay back every cent of the financial aid given to him. I wouldn't trust such a radical not to frag me in my tent.

[synthesis]

Chiak, you can't be older than 14. Driersheet? Come on. Surely the voice of reason could do better than that.

[Moondog]

If I implied physically stopping, or rather ordering men under my command not to fight, then I apologize. What I meant is the more people I can help to educate, the more people will oppose involvement in conflicts to come. It may be a pipe dream, but I believe every little bit helps in the long run. I think educated soldiers will be more likely to speak out against military action.

[Chiak47]

Ghost Writer,
Surely Not someone I would want next to me in a foxhole.

[Ghost Writer]

Yep, he sounds like a real Benedict Arnold or Vidkun Quisling (http://www.mnc.net/norway/quisling.htm)

[Chiak47]

Thanks for the link-Might come in handy someday.
Lots of up and coming beneficiaries for .40 cal to the foreheads.

[Moondog]

How can you liken me to Benedict Arnold? He sold his people out, I'm simply helping to inform them.

[Ghost Writer]

Easy, you are both traitors.

[Moondog]

I can say that if the situation comes for me to take a bullet for a man under my command, it will happen. I would never fire upon men under my command. We are brothers. If the president pulls us out of combat, he is saving my brothers, and that is all I would want. My love for fellow soldiers should not have me likened to traitors or some kind of Muslim with a Jihad. Your obviously ignorant to the definition of a traitor: A person who betrays another, a cause, or a trust. In no way could an advocate of peace be considered a traitor, and those who would label him one, should be look at as traitors themselves.

[Ghost Writer]

First of all, I don't believe you are even in ROTC. Secondly, opposing the President's position while you are under his command makes you a traitor. You have clearly said that you would do this when you become an officer. Therefore, you have the mind of a traitor. Your unwillingness to fight for a just cause, and undercutting the military effort while in a leadership position also makes you a coward. I feel sorry for any troops that would be placed under your leadership, or lack there of. As I said before, you should be kicked out of ROTC, and be forced to pay back any financial aid they gave you, although I think you are lying. At least, I hope you are, because they should have a better screening process for cowards.

[Dirty Jersey]

christ man. thats not a good idea. i wont go as far as ghostboy here and call you a traitor but fuck. you could get in alot of trouble. really man not a good idea.

[lostsoul]

Quote: from Moondog on 9:30 am on Mar. 26, 2003
If I implied physically stopping, or rather ordering men under my command not to fight, then I apologize. What I meant is the more people I can help to educate, the more people will oppose involvement in conflicts to come. It may be a pipe dream, but I believe every little bit helps in the long run. I think educated soldiers will be more likely to speak out against military action.


a while back i used to think about the extact same thing, and some people i knew tried something simlair, but they came out totally brainwashed. What the military does is it tries to break you down totally, then rebuild you. I am sure many soliders thought the extact same way when trying to join the military, and they may have joined for a good reason but now look at what their doing. I don't mean try to ruin your plan, but i personally don't think it will work, because their system is designed to make you to just follow orders from your higher officers and nothing else.

but on the other hand, nothing is impossible, and if that is what your going to do, then good luck! I seriously wish you the best.

[Pete]

Ghostwriter. Shut the hell up. Really. He is atleast trying to make a difference while you from the sidelines call him a traitorious coward. What the fuck? Really.

It is an inalienable right in the U.S Declaration of Independance to rebel and over through an unjust government. Or to protest against it. By supporting Bush and his violation of the very basis of international law, you are easily a traitor to that document.

[redstar2000]

Moondog, I hope you will pay serious attention to lostsoul's post...he is absolutely right about what will almost certainly happen to you.

Also, please read the the thread "fighting from within" in the Ernesto Che Guevera forum:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=10&topic=259 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=10&topic=259)

The sad fact of the matter is that imperial soldiers only learn from catastrophic defeat. Telling them that they are pawns of capitalism simply falls on deaf ears.

It is true...and this may mean more to you than it does to me...that you may be able to stop a massacre of civilians or disarmed pows in the field. That's happened...occasionally.

Otherwise, after a few months (a year at most), you are going to look at yourself in the mirror and feel sick with futility and self-betrayal. Or worse, the dreams of your youth will have withered away in the wasteland of military stupidity...and you'll be ok with that. :(

:cool:

[Chiak47]

Redstar,
Ahh your good at what you do.Look at you moving in to engage that youngboys mind.A snake in the grass you are.You have style unknown to most bleeding hearts.You have bigger plans that you been fantasizing about since you were young.
Grand plans of revolution roam through your old weak mind.
You have no one who loves you so you prey.Try to get someone to think like you do.

War of hearts this is.

Thank you,
On too YOU

[Pete]

Chiak in this environment Red star is part of the grass and you are the snake.

[Chiak47]

Pete,

Redstar is the type that gets them hooked on drugs so they become puppets for his sick and twisted cause.

Thank you,
Not a HIPPIE

[Pete]

Capitalism has a long history of puppets and drug abuses then Communism does. Infact Britian, a capitalistic state, fought the Opium wars to enforce the cocane trade on China.

[Chiak47]

Pete,

Everybody knows "Lafties" are more accepting of drugs.
Look in the shit shack here on these forums
It's filled with dope head stories.
I really could care.Keeps them heads fucked-lol..

Thank you,
Fork

[redstar2000]

It is most amusing, Chiak47, to watch you dance lightly from thread to thread...always insulting, never informative. It is a virtuoso performance.

But to what purpose? Do you think that even the most naive person on the board has any respect for your moronic views?

Do you believe that anyone here is going to read one of your silly off-hand stupidities and say to themselves, "I wannabe a asshole like Chiak47"?

I'm starting to wonder if you are not beginning to become an asset to this board. You may turn out to be a better recruiter for communist revolution than me. :o

It kind of gives a whole new meaning to that famous phrase of Marx: "Well dug, old mole!"

:cool:

[lostsoul]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 8:23 pm on Mar. 26, 2003
Pete,

Everybody knows "Lafties" are more accepting of drugs.
Look in the shit shack here on these forums
It's filled with dope head stories.
I really could care.Keeps them heads fucked-lol..

Thank you,
Fork



I noticed this too, as much as i hate to agree with you..ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...i have seen this myself too.

Many of the people with the purest thoughts to help people, smoking hash, dropping e's, doing lines, etc, etc.

My theory on it, is that their hearts are very good, but their not very strong, they see that this will be very very hard and its alot of work which most likely won't show its true rewards in our lifetime. I think they see that and use drugs to escape reality. Its not only leftist, its anyone whom wants to make a change in society. I notice this also in the middle east, asia and here in north america.

I think as the world gets more and more fucked, they will relize how important it is to actually take action and not try to avoid it.

This is not only for leftists, it effects anyone who is scared to take action.

[Hampton]

Another thing to notice about Chiak47 when faced with a serious argument he never replies.

[lostsoul]

Quote: from Hampton on 1:50 am on Mar. 27, 2003
Another thing to notice about Chiak47 when faced with a serious argument he never replies.

its not his fault he has no balls. He dad was a pussy, and so was his dad, and so forth.

I am hoping Chiak47 can break the cycle.

[Chiak47]

Tampon,

I do reply all over to any and all.
Sometimes it's hard for me to debate stupidity though.

Thank you,
Cappi#1

[Hampton]

Did I miss your reply to this?

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...m=22&topic=1935 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1935)

(Edited by Hampton at 11:14 am on Mar. 27, 2003)

[Ghost Writer]

Treason, as it is defined in Article 3, section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:

"Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

CrazyPete,

Once again you had shown what a dipshit you are. As you can clearly see this goes against your theory that you have a right to rebel against the government of the United States. The rules pertaining to military personell are very different than those that apply to your regular citizen, and are covered in the criminal code.

Surely he is guilty of sedition: From the 1918 sedition act

"Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both...."

I am sure the dollar amount here is pretty dated and has not been adjusted for inflation. 20 years in prison!

[redstar2000]

How quaint! I wonder if there is anyone still alive who remembers when the United States paid lip-service to due process and the rule of law...as enshrined in such noble acts as the one cited by Ghost Writer. They would have to be approaching 100 years old at a minimum.

In the new Reich, the government just issues a secret warrent to detain you on suspicion of terrorism...and that's it. After that, they can do anything they want to you and you have no legal recourse at all. In fact, you cease to exist as a legal person.

Sort of gives you an idea of what kind of "democracy" Iraqis can expect from the United States...it should be very familiar to them. Maybe even identical to what they have now.

:cool:

[synthesis]

I am sure the dollar amount here is pretty dated Yes, the dollar amount is outdated, just like the entire unconstitutional act, Norm. The Sedition Act was repealed in 1921.

(Edited by DyerMaker at 12:17 pm on Mar. 27, 2003)