Iraqi Freedom - brings a tear of joy to my eye

[Liberty Lover]

Well it’s been three days since the liberation of Iraq begun and, if I do say so myself, it is going along quite magnificently. The best part of it all is that it is turning out to be nothing like what those bleeding heart leftists predicted.

The enemies of America said civilian deaths were the main reason they opposed the liberation. Despite the impossibility of more civilians being killed in this war than the number Saddam would kill on a monthly basis they continued with this claptrap in order to disguise their fear that America would try to spread ideals of liberty and democracy throughout the world. Civilian deaths had nothing to do with their opposition to the liberation…and if it did then they are just plain stupid and should consider retaking a primary school math course. So just how many civilians have died in the bombing of Baghdad thus far…30 000?…no…3 000?…no…300?…no. The number of civilian deaths in the bombing of Baghdad is…wait for it…three…THREE…YOU READ RIGHT…THREE…THREE FUCKING CIVILIANS HAVE DIED IN THE BOMBING OF BAGHDAD AND I STILL SEE LAME ANARCHIAL, COMMIE, DRAFT DODGIN, PACIFISTS CONTINUE THEIR BLIND DEFIANCE OF AMERICAN BENEVOLANCE.

Further baseless accusations coming from the ‘blame America first’ movement is that this liberation is motivated by oil. Of course none of you shitheads had the brains to come up with this theory yourselves…you witnessed someone on TV saying it and, in your misguided hate of America, believed them. If you’re stupid enough to think that the U.S. would spend 300 billion dollars on a war for some oil when they could spend nothing and get almost as much by lifting sanctions on Iraq, lifting the investment ban on Libya, or staging a nice little coup in Venezuela then the chaces are you are stupid enough to think that the US and the UN have set up a fund to ensure Iraqi oil profits are used to rebuild Iraq for some other reason than to ensure Iraqi oil profits are used to rebuild Iraq.

Commie pukes…cease your blind defiance of American benevolence, have a break from study, go buy yourselves a few packs of potato chips and a couple of beers, sit back, and watch true world leadership in action. All the way to Baghdad with CNN!!!

N.B. sections of this post have been shamelessly plagiarised from other members of the community.
I am not certain if three is the number of civ. deaths from the bombing campaign…that’s just a guess. The Iraqi’s say about 200…obviously I don’t believe them

[Pete]

The shock and awe bombing has not started yet has it? Just wait for that moment for the toll to rise, that is if the Red Cross is allowed in...they where not when the apartment complex was hit.

[Hampton]

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/...7749984698.html (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/22/1047749984698.html)

(Edited by Hampton at 2:41 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from Hampton on 5:40 am on Mar. 23, 2003
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/...7749984698.html (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/22/1047749984698.html)

(Edited by Hampton at 2:41 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)


And are you going to believe the Iraqi Information Minister?

[synthesis]

He does have a point.

I doubt that the incident was fabricated entirely, but I also doubt that his numbers aren't a little exaggerated.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 5:01 am on Mar. 23, 2003
Well it’s been three days since the liberation of Iraq begun and, if I do say so myself, it is going along quite magnificently. The best part of it all is that it is turning out to be nothing like what those bleeding heart leftists predicted.

The enemies of America said civilian deaths were the main reason they opposed the liberation. Despite the impossibility of more civilians being killed in this war than the number Saddam would kill on a monthly basis they continued with this claptrap in order to disguise their fear that America would try to spread ideals of liberty and democracy throughout the world. Civilian deaths had nothing to do with their opposition to the liberation…and if it did then they are just plain stupid and should consider retaking a primary school math course. So just how many civilians have died in the bombing of Baghdad thus far…30 000?…no…3 000?…no…300?…no. The number of civilian deaths in the bombing of Baghdad is…wait for it…three…THREE…YOU READ RIGHT…THREE…THREE FUCKING CIVILIANS HAVE DIED IN THE BOMBING OF BAGHDAD AND I STILL SEE LAME ANARCHIAL, COMMIE, DRAFT DODGIN, PACIFISTS CONTINUE THEIR BLIND DEFIANCE OF AMERICAN BENEVOLANCE.

Further baseless accusations coming from the ‘blame America first’ movement is that this liberation is motivated by oil. Of course none of you shitheads had the brains to come up with this theory yourselves…you witnessed someone on TV saying it and, in your misguided hate of America, believed them. If you’re stupid enough to think that the U.S. would spend 300 billion dollars on a war for some oil when they could spend nothing and get almost as much by lifting sanctions on Iraq, lifting the investment ban on Libya, or staging a nice little coup in Venezuela then the chaces are you are stupid enough to think that the US and the UN have set up a fund to ensure Iraqi oil profits are used to rebuild Iraq for some other reason than to ensure Iraqi oil profits are used to rebuild Iraq.

Commie pukes…cease your blind defiance of American benevolence, have a break from study, go buy yourselves a few packs of potato chips and a couple of beers, sit back, and watch true world leadership in action. All the way to Baghdad with CNN!!!

N.B. sections of this post have been shamelessly plagiarised from other members of the community.
I am not certain if three is the number of civ. deaths from the bombing campaign…that’s just a guess. The Iraqi’s say about 200…obviously I don’t believe them



YES!!! This is gold, LL, gold!

[Liberty Lover]

YES!!! This is gold, LL, gold!

:) Thanks friend.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Hampton on 5:40 am on Mar. 23, 2003
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/...7749984698.html (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/22/1047749984698.html)

(Edited by Hampton at 2:41 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)


THe "Iraqi Information Minister" LOL, LOL, ROFL, LMAO, "Iraqi Information Minister". LOL, LOL, LOL,ROFL, LMAO, LMFAO

Of course, this is the same guy who suggests that the Ba'ath party still has firm cotrol in Iraq, and that leadership is strong, even after their largest fighting divison surrendered en masse to coalition forces and saddam hussein received a blood transfusion as a result of US surgical strikes.

Yep, real credible, I'm sure. But of course, hampton buys it, surprise surprise

Lets say it one more time, its so funy: Iraqi Information Minister" LOL, LOL, LOL

Of course, Hampton and other pathetic leftists are pathetic enough in attempting to prop up their anti-american agenda that they would hopelessly grasp to reports from a dictatorial regime on its last leg for their information. I think this speaks volumes about how leftists think and what they will resort to in an attempt to support their hollow beliefs.

[synthesis]

If it was that blatantly false, shouldn't it be easy to, within a matter of minutes, refute the entire existence of the dead? I'm waiting.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from DyerMaker on 7:34 am on Mar. 23, 2003
If it was that blatantly false, shouldn't it be easy to, within a matter of minutes, refute the entire existence of the dead? I'm waiting.

You're asking us to prove a negative, sir. That is illogical.

The burden of proof is on the claimant, who is also the one that would actually possess the proof. Where are the bodies, sir?

Where are they?

[synthesis]

Um... so how exactly is the Iraqi Press Secretary supposed to prove what he says?

He's the Press Secretary, dude, he IS the proof. He's his own damn source.


Where are the bodies, sir?

Where are they?Um, in hospitals in Baghdad - like the article said? What, do you want to see the bodies? No mainstream source actually provides shit like that.

[Capitalist Imperial]

yes they do, they provide footage of dead bodies. the only footage I see is of minor injures

the press secretary is not claiming to have dead bodies, like iraq is, so until the iraqis show dead bodies, then his claim that civilian death is minimal is substantiated

besides, if there are hundreds dead, then there would be hundreds more injured, and hospitals would not be wasted on corpses

[synthesis]

Excuse me? Maybe it's just because I don't watch much mainstream news, but could you link me to articles or inform me of an incident in the mainstream news where war casualties were shown in detail?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from DyerMaker on 8:19 am on Mar. 23, 2003
Excuse me? Maybe it's just because I don't watch much mainstream news, but could you link me to articles or inform me of an incident in the mainstream news where war casualties were shown in detail?

take your pick, I mean, they would at least show one, right?

how about the kurds saddam gased? i remember that footage, and dead iraqis from the 1st gulf war?

don't get me wrong, I belief there will be a few unfortunate civilian deaths in iraq, but i don't belief word one from the ba'ath party (a sentiment which I know that you yourself share)

[synthesis]

It is, of course, entirely possible that the whole thing is fabricated. It just doesn't seem all that likely to me that a statement like that could go entirely unchecked by the pro-war mainstream media if it were totally false.

I suspect that we won't know the full scale of the civilian deaths until after the war ends. It was the same way with the Holocaust.

[Capitalist Imperial]

true

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 5:05 am on Mar. 23, 2003
The shock and awe bombing has not started yet has it?


Can someone answer this question. The bombings have been fairly minor for something supposed to terrify the baathists into submission.

[Chiak47]

The shock and awe America could produce would send that whole region back to the stone age.

That's not what you were expecting..Is it?

They struck at known targets minimizing civilian KIAs.

Sometimes it's like lefties want America to bomb someone into submission.Just to point fingers later.
Just to say "I told you so"

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 6:30 am on Mar. 23, 2003

Quote: from Hampton on 5:40 am on Mar. 23, 2003
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/...7749984698.html (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/22/1047749984698.html)

(Edited by Hampton at 2:41 pm on Mar. 23, 2003)


And are you going to believe the Iraqi Information Minister?


If you don't believe anything from the leftist or iraqi side and only believe the news from the US side, your views will become very subjective and easy influencable by governments.

[Xvall]

DRAFT DODGIN,

*COUGH* BUSH! *COUGH*

I will tell you this. I was shocked by the collateral damage reports, and they certainly were aweful.

(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 9:48 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)

[Xvall]

Liberty Lover:

Well it’s been three days since the liberation of Iraq begun and, if I do say so myself, it is going along quite magnificently.

Yeah! Awsome! We're killing people and blowing shit up! That is what I call progress!

The best part of it all is that it is turning out to be nothing like what those bleeding heart leftists predicted.

Sure it hasn't. Not only did you neglect to state what us bleeding heart liberals predicted; you didn't explain how it turned out to be something different.

The enemies of America said civilian deaths were the main reason they opposed the liberation.

Hear that boys and girls? Anyone who doesn't want to go to war because it might (surprise, surprise!) kill people is an enemy of America! If you spot one of these evildoers; contact Gestappo Rumsfeld immediately! This is urgent!

Despite the impossibility of more civilians being killed in this war than the number Saddam would kill on a monthly basis

Speculation. You don't even know how many innocent people you have killed, let alone if they are less than the number that Saddam would kill on a monthly basis. Oh I see. So just because they are going to die anyways; you are going to kill them then? You know what, you're going to die someday right? I suppose that is all the evidence I need to shoot you. What right does America have to decide weather to 'liberate' a country or not? The majority of the American population isn't in support of the war; what makes you think that the Iraqi population is?

America would try to spread ideals of liberty and democracy throughout the world.

The democracy that you brought to South Vietnam, Nicaragua, Post-Castro Cuba, Chile, and El Salvador, right? That democracy? The democracy that you implemented in Afghanistant; which turns out to be another religiously fanatic monarchy? That democracy? Sound to me like you are going democrazy. Ho ho ho! You do not like my cheap, stupid, jokes? Well I don't like yours either, so try to make sure that they don't win any more elections.

Civilian deaths had nothing to do with their opposition to the liberation…and if it did then they are just plain stupid and should consider retaking a primary school math course.

I know math. Killing = Bad? You agree with this no? Then remember. If a = b ; b = c. So if killing = bad ; bad = killing. Therefore, anytime someone does something bad, they are killing. Doesn't make sense, does it? See how stupid math is! Don't bring it up again, son.

So just how many civilians have died in the bombing of Baghdad thus far…30 000?…no…3 000?…no…300?…no. The number of civilian deaths in the bombing of Baghdad is…wait for it…three…THREE…YOU READ RIGHT…THREE…

Only three? You are an idiot; I can show you pictures of at least ten dead civilian bodies. You are among the same people that suggested that only two people died in the Vietnam War. This is because you are stupid. Stupidity is a disease common in most Americans; so I suppose that I can't hold any of this against you. Yes I am flaming you. Deal with it.

ANARCHIAL, COMMIE,

*gasp*! Oh no! Communists!

DRAFT DODGIN,

Maybe you should become aware of the fact that a lot of your presidents were draft dodgers; one of them in office. And what are we thinking of! How dare we refuse to join the military so we can shoot peasants in Indochina!

PACIFISTS

God forbid anyone support peace!

CONTINUE THEIR BLIND DEFIANCE OF AMERICAN BENEVOLANCE.

Yes! American benevolance! See how the nation valliantly defends itself by launching cruise missiles from ten thousand miles away, dropping bombs on heavilly populated cities from ten thousand feet in the air, and attacking nations that haven't even threatened it! Woo! America!

If you’re stupid enough to think that the U.S. would spend 300 billion dollars on a war for some oil when they could spend nothing and get almost as much by lifting sanctions on Iraq, lifting the investment ban on Libya, or staging a nice little coup in Venezuela then the chaces are you are stupid enough to think that the US and the UN have set up a fund to ensure Iraqi oil profits are used to rebuild Iraq for some other reason than to ensure Iraqi oil profits are used to rebuild Iraq.

If America is actually concerned with liberating opressed people and stopping evil tyrants then why aren't they doing anything about North Korea. According to your media; the population of North Korea is starving, led by an evil commie, addmited to having nuclear weapons, and kicked out the UN inspectors? You would think that you would take actions against them, no?

Commie pukes…cease your blind defiance of American benevolence, have a break from study, go buy yourselves a few packs of potato chips and a couple of beers, sit back, and watch true world leadership in action. All the way to Baghdad with CNN!!!

Ah yes! Let us partake in the American Democracy by getting fat, drunk, and staring at pixels on a large screen for ten hours.

(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 10:07 pm on Mar. 24, 2003)

[Chiak47]

Has anyone here seen Bush's DD214?If Not STFU

[synthesis]

American benevolence. Oxymoron.



http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/vietnamgenocide/mylai/MyLaiVictims.gif



http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/vietnamgenocide/mylai/2boysfather.jpg

“This man and two little boys popped up from nowhere. The GIs I was with opened up, then moved in close to finish them.”
-Ron Haeberle, American photographer in My Lai, the man who snapped the pictures above.

[synthesis]

A few human Americans at My Lai

A chopper pilot, Chief Warrant Officer Hugh Thompson and his crew were the only other soldiers who had the guts to stand up to the filthy homicidal psychopaths of the United States Army at My Lai.

Thompson’s mission was to fly above the troops and draw enemy fire so the Viet Cong could be located and annihilated. (The VC had this funny idea that they had a right to defend their own country against the murdering, raping American invaders.) But there were no Viet Cong at My Lai that day. Only women, old men, children and babies.

When Thompson and his crew saw what was happening on the ground, they couldn’t believe it at first. Then they were sickened. Then they became enraged. Thompson said some very, very evil stuff was going on down there. They repeatedly saw young boys and girls being shot at point-blank range. As often happened in Vietnam, they saw American soldiers sodomizing and raping girls and women before murdering them.

Thompson and his crew saw some women and children hiding in a bunker. Some American soldiers from both Charlie and Bravo Companies were approaching them. Thompson figured the women and children had about 15 seconds to live. He told his crew they were going to save those people and his crew was totally with him. He landed his chopper in a field between the American soldiers and the women and children.

Thompson got out of his chopper and approached the soldiers. He said “Hey, there’s some civilians over here in this bunker. Can you get them out?" One of the soldiers said, “Well, we’re gonna get them out with a hand grenade.”

Thompson then warned the soldiers that his crew was ready to open up on them if they tried to murder the women and children. The soldiers backed off. Thompson says he noticed that some of them actually looked relieved. (I would say his heroism made it possible for them to avoid their own evil cowardice. Just this once.)

There were too many women and children for Thompson’s chopper to get them all out in one trip. He knew that whoever he left behind would be raped and murdered by the American soldiers. He called on the radio to another helicopter gunship requesting it to help him get the terrified people to safety. Fortunately the other pilot agreed. Thompson kept the people around him for protection while the gunship made two trips to get all the people. They were flown about 10 miles away to safety.

At one point Thompson was flying over the ditch where all the women and children were dying. He, or one of his crew saw that a little boy among them was still alive. He landed his chopper and his machine-gunner Larry Colburn dashed out and waded into the ditch. He had to wade through and over all the dead bodies. Arms of dying people reached out to him, begging for help. But he figured they were too far gone and the boy had a chance to live.

Larry carried the little boy back to the chopper and they flew to a hospital/orphanage and delivered him to safety. Thompson says that hospitals in Vietnam were usually combined with orphanages.

Thanks to America, land of the free and home of the brave, there were a lot of orphanages in Vietnam.

[synthesis]

Medina goes free

Captain Ernest Medina was charged with murdering 102 Vietnamese civilian people.

To save his sorry ass, the Army got the infamous attorney F. Lee Bailey for his defense. The flamboyant Bailey conducted his usual highly successful defense, impressing the gullible jury and manipulating the law to protect his criminal client. He forced the prosecution to drop key witnesses and kept damaging evidence, such as Ronald Haeberle’s photographs, from being seen by the jury. After fifty-seven minutes of “deliberation,” the jury acquitted Medina on all charges.

Months later, when a perjury prosecution was no longer possible, Medina admitted that he had suppressed evidence and lied to the brigade commander about the number of civilian people murdered at My Lai 4.

[synthesis]

Calley found guilty... and set free

The strongest case was that against Lt. William Calley, however. On November 12, 1970, in a small courthouse in Fort Benning, Georgia, young Prosecutor Aubrey Daniel stood to deliver his opening statement: “I want you to know My Lai 4. I will try to put you there.”

Lt. Calley said he felt like he was merely killing “animals” when he murdered Vietnamese women and babies. Besides, like the Nazis before him, he was “just following orders.” Orders given by Capt. Medina, to be exact. So to save himself, Capt. Medina stabbed his Lieutenant in the back and swore that he gave no orders to murder women and children.

In March 1971, after thirteen days of deliberations, the longest in U.S. court-martial history, the jury returned its verdict: Calley was guilty of premeditated murder on all specifications.

After hearing pleas on the issue of punishment, jury head Colonel Clifford Ford pronounced Calley’s sentence: “To be confined at hard labor for the length of your natural life; to be dismissed from the service; to forfeit all pay and allowances.”

Calley spent exactly 3 days in jail.

President “Tricky Dick” Nixon, feeling sympathy for a fellow criminal, ordered Calley removed from the stockade and placed in the more comfortable circumstance of house arrest.

Crooked judges then granted the great American war hero several sentence reductions. Finally, on November 9, 1974 the Secretary of the Army announced that Calley would be paroled. And today, as with Capt. Medina and all the other baby-killing, girl-raping soldiers of the United States Army, William Calley is walking around loose, a free man in America.

In 1976, Calley married. Presumably his wife was assured that their own babies would be too White for him to blow away with an M-16. As of this writing, he works in the jewelry store of his father-in-law in Columbus, Georgia.

To this day many sick Americans regard Lt. Calley as a hero.

[Xvall]

Quote: from Chiak47 on 10:08 pm on Mar. 24, 2003
Has anyone here seen Bush's DD214?If Not STFU


Sadly; this is the best rebuttal you have ever presented. Good work, soldier.

[Chiak47]

20,000,000+ and still counting

http://www.anticommunism.org/images/cambodia.jpg

The "museum of genocide" in Cambodia,
displaying the remains of victims of the Khmer Rouge


http://www.anticommunism.org/china/on_floor.jpg
On the floor of Beijing Fuxing Hospital lie the bodies of four Chinese civilians murdered during the June 4 atrocities.

http://www.anticommunism.org/china/man_shot.jpg
A young man lies dead in the street, the victim of People's Liberation Army bullets

[Liberty Lover]

"Yeah! Awsome! We're killing people and blowing shit up! That is what I call progress!"

Yeah! Awesome! We're liberating people from an opressive tyrant.

"Sure it hasn't. Not only did you neglect to state what us bleeding heart liberals predicted; you didn't explain how it turned out to be something different."

Predicted= Dresden style indiscriminate bombing of Baghdad.
Reality=Surgical bombing of Baghdad.

"Hear that boys and girls? Anyone who doesn't want to go to war because it might (surprise, surprise!) kill people is an enemy of America! If you spot one of these evildoers; contact Gestappo Rumsfeld immediately! This is urgent!"

I was refering to you commies specifically, not the anti-war movement in general. You oppose this war because it is a war initiated by America...not because of your fear of civilian casualties.

"Speculation. You don't even know how many innocent people you have killed, let alone if they are less than the number that Saddam would kill on a monthly basis."

Saddam has killed approx. 1 500 000 (wars he stared, political executions, ethinic cleansing etc.) since he became president in 1979. Work out the monthly average and tell me why it won't continue.

"Oh I see. So just because they are going to die anyways; you are going to kill them then?"

As I said before, more civilians will die if the baath party is left in power.

"You know what, you're going to die someday right? I suppose that is all the evidence I need to shoot you."

Idiot. It is completley logical to kill one person inorder to save ten.

"What right does America have to decide weather to 'liberate' a country or not?"

America has a responsiblity, not a right to liberate people...I don't think France, Russia or China are about to liberate anyone, so the decision is Americas.

"The majority of the American population isn't in support of the war"

Really? I thought 70% was a majority.

"what makes you think that the Iraqi population is?"

The fact that most of the Iraqi population are opressed Shiites or Kurds.

"The democracy that you brought to South Vietnam, Nicaragua, Post-Castro Cuba, Chile, and El Salvador, right? That democracy? The democracy that you implemented in Afghanistant; which turns out to be another religiously fanatic monarchy? That democracy? Sound to me like you are going democrazy. Ho ho ho! You do not like my cheap, stupid, jokes? Well I don't like yours either, so try to make sure that they don't win any more elections."

Different era's different administrations.

"Only three? You are an idiot; I can show you pictures of at least ten dead civilian bodies. You are among the same people that suggested that only two people died in the Vietnam War. This is because you are stupid. Stupidity is a disease common in most Americans; so I suppose that I can't hold any of this against you. Yes I am flaming you. Deal with it."

Was your fertile brain not able to cope with reading the whole post? I said at the end that I was not sure how many civilians died...idiot. And as for those ten bodies you saw...it is not Americas fault Saddam uses human shields.

"Maybe you should become aware of the fact that a lot of your presidents were draft dodgers; one of them in office. And what are we thinking of! How dare we refuse to join the military so we can shoot peasants in Indochina!"

My country is a constitutional monarchy...we don't have Presidents.

"God forbid anyone support peace!"

I'm a bit of a pacifist myself...I mean, apart from Nazism, slavery, fascism and communism, war has never solved anything.

"If America is actually concerned with liberating opressed people and stopping evil tyrants then why aren't they doing anything about North Korea. According to your media; the population of North Korea is starving, led by an evil commie, addmited to having nuclear weapons, and kicked out the UN inspectors? You would think that you would take actions against them, no?"

One at a time buddy, one at a time.

"Ah yes! Let us partake in the American Democracy by getting fat, drunk, and staring at pixels on a large screen for ten hours."

Lets.



(Edited by Liberty Lover at 10:14 am on Mar. 25, 2003)

[Blackberry]

Quote: from DyerMaker on 7:48 am on Mar. 23, 2003
Um... so how exactly is the Iraqi Press Secretary supposed to prove what he says?

He's the Press Secretary, dude, he IS the proof. He's his own damn source.


Where are the bodies, sir?

Where are they?Um, in hospitals in Baghdad - like the article said? What, do you want to see the bodies? No mainstream source actually provides shit like that.


Not in the west, anyway.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/massacre.html

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I hate it, but I am finding myself continously agreeing with the capitalists on the war.

All the leftists are clearly being blinded by leftist and counter-propaganda. Wake up and see that if Saddam goes, Iraqis live. Yes they die in war, but many many more would die if Saddam remained. It's called logic. The matter should stop being read into so much. The fact is Iraqis will be free. If you do not find this more important than being anti-war because you think America will make money, then you are quite frankly sick. YOU are the ones therefore who are putting business over human lives, not Bush and Co.