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prolefire
7th September 2008, 18:47
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Hello everyone! I'm a young leftist(Trotskyist).I'm 23 years old this year.I'm from China.

Chinese leftists lack actual vinculum to class struggle very much.The leftists of majority is maoists and alleged new lefists.They all indulge worship nation state,moreover reformism tendency large comparatively.There is also a small number of leftists is Social Democracyist.In fact they only left-wing liberal.In recent years,China has quietly there have been some honest leftist-youth of Under the Trotskyism Influence.They r learning to use the class point of view of various issues.They working together and collating the various cultural and information with the class struggle,and they advocate and integration into the working class,and hopes to become a member of the class.

Brief account of my own.I started believe in communism at the age of 15,because of public ownership and to the ideals of equality and mutual assistance.But my thinking is sill in the framework of official thinking,and I also believe that the CCP is adhering to the socialist direction.With increasing age and experience,I suspect the political nature of CCP more and more.I come into contact with on civil revolution of the Maoism with the network first time at the age of 18(Year 2003).This makes me have taken place in the minds of storm,thus changing the Maoist leftist.However,until early 2005,I happened to know Trotskyism.I was comprehend Trotskyism only through the library of rare and obsolete internal information,the called Chinese Marxist libraryof web sites and leftist groups pioneer in the Hong Kong civil society.And I continue to learn whom Trotsky and Mandel revolutionary Marxism.After these years of study and practice,I further understand that caught the left circle was a mistake.Only integration into the working class,hard to revivingthe class struggle cultural,to pave the way for social revolution.

I'm eager to make friends with and exchange ideas with international comrades.But my English standards is too bad.I must use electronic translation system can read and write.I'm sorry that my Chinese-style Englishand confusion of grammar may make you dizziness.In order to raise the standard of English gradually,now I hope very much that some are willing to be patient with me one-on-one exchange of foreign young comrades.

My MSN is: [email protected],please specify to revleftwhen add me.

Led Zeppelin
7th September 2008, 18:59
Welcome to the forum. :)

Random Precision
7th September 2008, 19:01
Welcome, comrade. It's great that you ran across Trotsky's works while living in China. There are many of us Trotskyists here, although most of us are from the west.

Anyway, I look forward to your participation on the forum. :)

OI OI OI
7th September 2008, 19:02
Welcome comrade.
Unfortunately I don't use MSN as I don't have time but I would want to exchange ideas with you on revleft.
I am a trotskyist also and supporter of the International Marxist Tendency (www.marxist.com)

I don't think you can access our site though as it has been blocked in China!

Dust Bunnies
7th September 2008, 19:10
Wow a person from China! I'm sure some people will have some questions. Welcome to Revleft. I'm on a computer away from home so I can't add you to MSN at the moment.

revolution inaction
7th September 2008, 20:04
hello prolefire, welcome :)
Have you heard of anarchist communism at all?

Tower of Bebel
7th September 2008, 22:23
Hi and welcome Prolefire.

I see you recently started studying Trotsky(ism) so you may find this an interesting website (http://www.chinaworker.info/).

More Fire for the People
7th September 2008, 22:35
Welcome. While your grammar isn't perfect, I can clearly understand what you are saying and you have an impressive vocabulary. Hope ya stick around, it's good to hear from Chinese leftists.

Raúl Duke
7th September 2008, 23:41
Welcome (Nihao) to the forum.


heard of anarchist communism?

prolefire
8th September 2008, 03:51
Welcome to the forum. :)

Thank u for your welcome!:):cool:

prolefire
8th September 2008, 04:01
I'm pleased to see such a warm welcome!I would like to one by one reply to you, but please forgive me is very slow.



Welcome, comrade. It's great that you ran across Trotsky's works while living in China. There are many of us Trotskyists here, although most of us are from the west.

Anyway, I look forward to your participation on the forum. :)


I just want to get to know friends of Trotskyism in the west.Of course,I also welcome other friends.I even hope to get to know a friend of anarchism in the west.

Although the number of small but also more and more young peple in the works to read Trotsky.

It's not only reading,our comrades(including me) also work together to upload to the Internet writings of Trosky or International and Chinese trotskyists,for example Ernest Mandel,Joseph Hansen,Isaac Deutcher,Wan Fanxi,ZhengChaolin,PengShuzhi etc.We have released the results of the work on a called Chinese Marxist libraryof web site.

prolefire
8th September 2008, 04:49
Welcome comrade.
Unfortunately I don't use MSN as I don't have time but I would want to exchange ideas with you on revleft.
I am a trotskyist also and supporter of the International Marxist Tendency (marxist.com)

I don't think you can access our site though as it has been blocked in China!


It doesn't matter! So here on the chat!

I have heard of the organization of IMT.Not long ago I heard about the death of Ted Grant.

As early as two years ago,one of our young comrades translated "IMT introduced" directly from the website IMT.But please understand that Chn isn't talk about to participate in political organizations,even on the Internet.But I can tell u explicitly that I don't agree with its basic political ideas.

I surprised really that can't landing the IMT site.A year or two ago I also visited it.At that time,this site is also placed some of the very few Chinese articles.We also have access to the site was shielded,but to connect through a proxy server software,r very troublesome.


Anyway,we can become good friends,if u wish to do so.

prolefire
8th September 2008, 05:08
Wow a person from China! I'm sure some people will have some questions. Welcome to Revleft. I'm on a computer away from home so I can't add you to MSN at the moment.


Thank u for your attention!In fact I was excited with the feelings coming here to speak,although my English is very rough.

prolefire
8th September 2008, 07:52
hello prolefire, welcome :)
Have you heard of anarchist communism at all?


Oh!I have read a great Kropotkin comrades of the 《Bread and Freedom》 before a few years.This book is the Chinese translator of the Chinese anarchism young "Ba Jin",it's regrettable that after he degenerate into a patriotic democrats.

I think that anarchism-communism and revolutionary marxism all have a common social ideal.The anarchism of youth and workers often r people of sincere and warm wishes of revolution.But doesn't include workers's party and workers's state,the political means isn't envisaged in the class struggle.Anarchism is beautiful touching in the ideological aspect,but it was buried the Spanish Revolution(1936——1938) of the political aspects.I have read Trotsky on the Spanish Civil war of some works,also read George Orwell's 《Homage to Catalonia》,and other relevant Spain Civil war in the history books.Of course,"POUM" should also bear considerable political responsibility,in a sense even greater responsibility.Because it's an one of the most important political workers's party in addition to anarcho-syndicalism,but it has taken on the Republican government “critically support”swing around the opportunistic political stance.

Although I'm against that refusal means of political struggle anarchist views,but I think the anarchism of the pioneers who was a great proletarian revolutionary.I have read Mikhail Bakunin's biography written by Edward Hallett CARR of the British historian(Chinese version),he is a very interesting admirable revolutionaries.I have read Kropotkin's biography(of course,it's the Chinese version also).I appreciate and respect very very much those who call “go to civil(people)”the Russian Revolutionary youth in 1870s.I also admire those who threw the bomb to the police of anarchism workers in Chicago in 1883.

However,a named WangFanxi of Chinese Trotskyist said the anarchist has become moderate in the West 1970s.But I have been occasionally heard of the radical anarchist revolution in the thinking of students in Germany is very popular in the Chinese internet network.Is it real?

prolefire
8th September 2008, 09:00
Hi and welcome Prolefire.

I see you recently started studying Trotsky(ism) so you may find this an interesting website.


First of all,thank u for the recommendation very much.But I already konw it 3 years ago.In fact I have been concerned about it always.

In fact,there is the discussion about "CWI" in Chinese youth recently.Perhaps you will be surprised I'm opposed to it.According to my observation and a number of other important left-wing report,so it pursues the political line of baneful.Simply say that to enhance the "pan-left-wing labor movement organizations" as the central objective,and its theory and radical rhetoric is very beautiful, but in practice often sacrifice the principles of political independence of the proletariat.I think the CWI in practice is essentially the radical Socialist Party.