Iraq's are not innocent!! - Read this book

[Invader Zim]

An extreact from "Bravo Two Zero" by Andy McNab (a member of the SAS in the first Gulf War)

After he had been captured he was taken and tortured by the guards and soldures, then he was taken to a town and given to the local crouds: -

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"Old women came up and pulled my hair and moustache, and hit me with sticks, or punched. The men would start by poking, and then end up by punching and thumping. I fell to the ground and all the bodies closed in. They thrust pictures of Saddam in front of my face and made me kiss him."

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A bit later on about half a page: -

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"Women were scratching and tearing my skin. I had grease and old bits of food shoved in my face and piss-pots emptied over the gashes in my head."

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A paragraph later

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"As they dragged me along the ground the tops of my toes were scraped away. We had to stop every now and again for a 60-year-old to come and punch me in the stomach."

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This was the local population the "innocents"!!!!

[kylie]

ryil

[Invader Zim]

True but as he has the scars to prove it. Also in this country pow's are treated with respect. And a British croud im sure would not do that. Nor would British Soldiers do that. This was fucking sick what they did and thay are a very fucking sick people.

Also i believe Andy McNab over a bunch of Iraqi soldures. And i also watched that shitty program called the real Bravo Two Zero. It proved nothing it only took a torturing Iraqi's word against the tortured British hero!!

[kylie]

fuifishows.

[Invader Zim]

Possibly but i trust the British people are not that sick, to torture them first!

[Moskitto]

my grandma used to make Italian POWs fix planes.

[Just Joe]

Andy McNabb is a fucking liar who is ridiculed by just about everyone. including the SAS high command and ground soldiers. his stories have been in the past proven to be fiction so i don't see how the guy can be a credible source of information.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Just Joe on 4:30 pm on Mar. 21, 2003
Andy McNabb is a fucking liar who is ridiculed by just about everyone. including the SAS high command and ground soldiers. his stories have been in the past proven to be fiction so i don't see how the guy can be a credible source of information.

It has not been proven, all the proof was that a bunch of Iraqi's said that its not true. Never mind all the shell casing and spent bullets in the sand etc. Michale Asher convieniently did not look for that HARD Evidence.

[RedCeltic]

Um... what do you think American "innocients" would have done if they got their hands on the guy who planned the WTC attack? You'd be sure that he wouldn't be going home to write a book about it.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from RedCeltic on 4:55 pm on Mar. 21, 2003
Um... what do you think American "innocients" would have done if they got their hands on the guy who planned the WTC attack? You'd be sure that he wouldn't be going home to write a book about it.

The only Andy McNab could write abook about it is because Iraq was loosing the war. They had to let the prisoners live to barter with the allies.

To all of you doubters. You all have a very merry view of Saddams evil Regim. I can assure you that Andy McNab is not the only one who has come back with these stories. He was one of the lucky ones... He did not recieve the elcectric shock treatment. He was only beeten nearly to death every day. Do you want me to show you the Tooth extract to improve the atmosphere of this post.

[chamo]

I don't expect Andy Mcnab to be entirely honest, alot of ex-SAS authors have been proved to be lying or that they were not even in the SAS at all.
I would expect the Iraqi people to be hostile to a specialist killer, from their own anti-imperialist views and also their government's propaganda. This does not make them responsible. I don't think they're going to be friendly to someone whom was terrorising their nation.
Least we forget, the american military tortured and killed afghan prisoners, thier own emotions coming into play there.

[honest intellectual]

Yeah, that's right: a bunch of people from this country up an enemy soldier, so indiscriminately killing people from that country is ok.

[Zombie]

this thread is fuckin useless.
so what u sayin big boy, that the Iraqi people is bad?
if so, then fuck you.
that fuckup of Andy Mcnab should be grateful they didn't kill him.

[CruelVerdad]

The same would happen if an iraqui soldier gets cought in the USA!
now you´re learning how war works, huh?

[damn the capitalism]

before judging that iraq are not innocent !we must put ourselves in the situation and in the place of the people of iraq !so if many of us used to be from this country and saw an american soldier from that damned imperialist country who have killed many people and families (even if he is forced to deo so) i think it's a natural way of acting against this soldier!
imagine this soldier who have killed your parents for exemple or one of your friend, is walking in front of your eyes .so what would be your action!
we must know that many americans soldier don't want the the war and they forced to do it ,but anyone of iraq people won't think about his situation in the war ,and they will kill him!i agrree that it's again humanity but i think that 80% would do so!
i have never hit anyone in my life but i think that maybe i will act too differently when i'll see an invader in my country!it's the same case in palestine!

[Invader Zim]

Listen right. These SAS soldures were caught by Iraqi soldures. They were tortured, then taken to see the locals, (who they had to not killed btw) then the locals beet them half to death poured piss on there wounds. And if you think that, that would occur here or in the USA then you are even more stupid than when you made out earlier.

Zombie you are so fucking pathetic i dont even feal the need to acknolage you. Just fuck off arse hole. Im trying to make a serious point while you are just being immature. GO AWAY

[Dhul Fiqar]

So what exactly is your point? "All Iraqis are bad"?

Aren't these the folks you and your likes are saying we need to "liberate"? If what you say is true, why not nuke the whole place, huh?

Like has been said, anyone would react like that to a soldier captured during an invasion. Think what it's like to sit in the darkness listening to planes and choppers dropping bombs all night and not be able to do anything about it. Then one of the fuckers shows up being dragged past your door, of course you're gonna at least get a bloody kick in!

--- G.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Dhul Fiqar on 9:15 am on Mar. 22, 2003
So what exactly is your point? "All Iraqis are bad"?

Aren't these the folks you and your likes are saying we need to "liberate"? If what you say is true, why not nuke the whole place, huh?

Like has been said, anyone would react like that to a soldier captured during an invasion. Think what it's like to sit in the darkness listening to planes and choppers dropping bombs all night and not be able to do anything about it. Then one of the fuckers shows up being dragged past your door, of course you're gonna at least get a bloody kick in!

--- G.

Im simply saying that the words innocent when conserning Iraqi people gets thrown around an auful lot. And until i read that book i agreed with them. But that book has tainted my opinion of them.

And you are a fine hypocrit. On one hand you state that the Americans should not invade because all the poor iraqi civilians will die. While at the same time saying that your glad ameriacan soldiers diserve to die. What a hypocrit you are...

(then again i may have drastically misinterprited what you say. And for that possibility i appologise)

[Zombie]

Quote: from AK47 on 3:53 am on Mar. 22, 2003
Listen right. These SAS soldures were caught by Iraqi soldures. They were tortured, then taken to see the locals, (who they had to not killed btw) then the locals beet them half to death poured piss on there wounds. And if you think that, that would occur here or in the USA then you are even more stupid than when you made out earlier.

Zombie you are so fucking pathetic i dont even feal the need to acknolage you. Just fuck off arse hole. Im trying to make a serious point while you are just being immature. GO AWAY


u're getting lamer and lamer by the post ak47.
u make no fuckin point.
if u wanna talk about people, look at ur own society, u prick.
stop insulting people like you think you know something, cos you don't. jackass.

[Guest1]

AK-47, my aunt married an iraqi, my cousin is iraqi, I have alot of family in iraq. This is rediculous and extremely racist. So, one group of people takes out their frustrations on a soldier, which I don't support but is understandable, that doesn't mean that the thousands who are gonna die are not innocent.

Rediculous, I don't understand what the hell is happening to you, it's like the hippies when we got to the eighties.

Are you snorting cocaine?

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Zombie on 3:33 pm on Mar. 22, 2003

u're getting lamer and lamer by the post ak47.
u make no fuckin point.
if u wanna talk about people, look at ur own society, u prick.
stop insulting people like you think you know something, cos you don't. jackass.


Make a useful post, and argue a point of view. Or fuck off, until then you are below my even acknowledging your patheic posts.

AK-47, my aunt married an iraqi, my cousin is iraqi, I have alot of family in iraq. This is rediculous and extremely racist. So, one group of people takes out their frustrations on a soldier, which I don't support but is understandable, that doesn't mean that the thousands who are gonna die are not innocent.

Rediculous, I don't understand what the hell is happening to you, it's like the hippies when we got to the eighties.

Are you snorting cocaine?

No this is not racist at all. Its mearly a fair point of view. I mearly think that saying all these Iraqi's are innocent is unfair as they (the general public) tortured captured British soldures. Perhaps its mearly only that particular crowd were unpleasant and had been whipped up earlier and set aponthe soldures. And would you call those particular civilians innocent.

And i doubt that thousands of civillians are going to die. I suspect a few tragic accidents will occur, but the majority of deaths will be soldures.

[DisruptiveBehaviour]

AK47 You're offering no real point to Zombie or to Dhul Fiqar, youre just utilizing your time to demean them and call them pathetic, while offering no proof or no point to prove it, this is the most dogmatic piss-and-run piece of shit posting i've seen in a long while. If you're going to insult someone don't draw the insults out of a hat, give some point to prove it. When someone raises a point all you say is "Make a useful post, and argue a point of view. Or fuck off, until then you are below my even acknowledging your patheic posts. " and refuse to acknowledge them, its truly disgusting and shows great ignorance and arrogance. Stop trying to piss and run and confront some of their views, because what your doing right now is extremely cowardly, stupid , ignorant and self-deamning, trying to bully others by not acknowledging their view, so that you can prop yourself up with your own illogical shit, no matter how loud you scream, you can't deny the voice of reason, bullying others into not talking is absolutely disgusting , so the next post you make better not be as disgusting as your last, because I'm finding it hard to even talk to someone like you.

[Tasha]

Ak-47 your posts seem like you are being nationalistic. People dont live in your environment they are the same as a brit would act having him grown in that environment. Also what they do is what they feel for that soldier for whatever particuliar reason. I'd also like to point out your information is not credible therefore you should not arguably take the side of it and even assuming it were, your standing is not legitimate.

[chamo]

Quote: from AK47 on 8:53 am on Mar. 22, 2003
Listen right. These SAS soldures were caught by Iraqi soldures. They were tortured, then taken to see the locals, (who they had to not killed btw) then the locals beet them half to death poured piss on there wounds. And if you think that, that would occur here or in the USA then you are even more stupid than when you made out earlier.

Ah I see. The Iraqi people are undercivilised, now they must die. OK.....
No! They felt anger towards the killers of their people, who used military bullying and acts of genocide against them, forcing them to live in fear. What do you think their fucking response will be?


Zombie you are so fucking pathetic i dont even feal the need to acknolage you. Just fuck off arse hole. Im trying to make a serious point while you are just being immature. GO AWAY


Who's being immature?

[damn the capitalism]

i agree with happy guy!!!!!

[Moondog]

Dont think that we americans are innocent victims. Our sanctions have killed thousands, we gave (not sold) saddam weapons, as well as iran, in the 80s in the hopes that they would wipe each other out. Then theres the barry mccaffrey incident, in which we slaughtered thousands of iraqi troops and civilians two days after the cease fire. But i suppose youd be okay in their shoes?

[Dhul Fiqar]

AK47: As you said, I am not upset when murderers are killed in the act of committing murder. I am upset when they succeed in commiting murder.

What about that is hypocritical? Bwah, I'm tired of this discussion anyway. It's always the same...