Why hasn't there been a new party made?

[Davie zepeda]

What the hell are we doing as leftist why haven't we made a political party to defend the right's of the worker and further the cause i Mean social democrats are better than fucking right wing and neo con's ?Why do you think a new party hasn't been made and if there were a social Democratic party would you support it?

[Abluegreen7]

Hey Im all for a new party. However we need a nice constitution for the party putting Marxism Trotskyism and Leninism together.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

There are many communist parties in existence.

PoWR is a new party that has broken from the failures of much of the "left": www.powr-prm.org

[F9]

NO thanks,we dont want to take some more of partys.As a leftist i dont want party so as one i have no problem of non existing of them or worse making them.

Fuserg9:star:

[Red October]

New parties are forming and splitting all the time.

[BIG BROTHER]

there a lot, and i mean a lot of socialist parties out there.

[Prairie Fire]

Check out the American Party of Labour (no website until after party congress, but e-mail [email protected])

[dread...]

What the hell are we doing as leftist why haven't we made a political party to defend the right's of the worker and further the cause i Mean social democrats are better than fucking right wing and neo con's ?Why do you think a new party hasn't been made and if there were a social Democratic party would you support it?

I think it's up to the working class as a whole to develop new social movements that are militant, democratic, and transformatory - and capable of taking on the ruling class. All we (the revleft) are in a position to do is intervene in struggles to support them, and take advantage of the space created to argue that case.

There's already a Social Democratic party running the UK, and no I don't support them.:p

[Raúl Duke]

Maybe there's a few reasons:

1)Some already belong to a party: Some members are part of communists/socialist parties.

2)Some are part of a movement/organization/etc.

3)Some may be armchair radicals, unable to, or live in an area where there's no activity.

As you see, there are many parties/organizations out there (you should have checked if there were any near you or in your country before posting) you just got to find them and sign up.
Also, I doubt revleft will be able to form a party without splits.

[Davie zepeda]

What i don't understand is why we can't have a united front or collation like Uruguay or brasil where all left is united against one thing the bourgeoisie
I just don't understand why we need to bee divide when the enemy uses that to there advantage .

[Dros]

What i don't understand is why we can't have a united front or collation like Uruguay or brasil where all left is united against one thing the bourgeoisie
I just don't understand why we need to bee divide when the enemy uses that to there advantage .

Because there needs to be a correct orientation. What is needed is a Vanguard party with the correct scientific methodology and the most thoroughly revolutionary line. Unity can be achieved in struggle as it was with the anti-war protests. But organizational unity will only imbalance any "party" that is created.

Clearly, there are lots and lots of "Communist" parties. People have mentioned PoWR and the American Party of Labor. There's also the RCP which you can check out here. (http://www.rwor.org/)

And no I would never support a social democratic party. Ever.

[Saorsa]

Um, the "Workers" Party that is in govt in Brazil has split. The left isnt united behind it, and nor should they be.

[Goose]

Look at this board. That's why there's no party.

[KurtFF8]

If anything we need less parties and more unity. Factionalism is one of the reasons that the left has been on the defense (especially in the West) since the 70s. We have a real opportunity to have another "go at it" so hopefully we don't make the same mistakes again and divide ourselves so much.

[spice756]

Well it comes down to the constitution.communist,socialists,Labor party cannot run for congress or president.No matter if they get a 98% vote.

All you got is republican and democratic.And the green party.Looks like Barack Obama or John McCain will get in.

[Killer Enigma]

Well it comes down to the constitution.communist,socialists,Labor party cannot run for congress or president.No matter if they get a 98% vote.

All you got is republican and democratic.And the green party.Looks like Barack Obama or John McCain will get in.
Your post is completely incorrect. Show me a passage in the Constitution that says something along the lines of "communists, socialists, Labor party (sic) cannot run for congress or president". If someone were to get 98% of the vote, popular (a de facto victory, since no one could win 98% of the popular vote and lose the electoral vote) or electoral, they would be elected President.

[Dimentio]

What the hell are we doing as leftist why haven't we made a political party to defend the right's of the worker and further the cause i Mean social democrats are better than fucking right wing and neo con's ?Why do you think a new party hasn't been made and if there were a social Democratic party would you support it?

There are probably millions of leftist parties around. Most have a single-digit membership base. The most funny one was arguably the Maoist-Trotskyist (sic) Nya Revolutionära Armén (New Revolutionary Army), which was active in Sweden 2001-2005, and mostly consisted of boys aged 13 to 16.

It was a guerilla group. It's leader used to whisper in the phone, so his dad would'nt hear.

They also made an ideological statement which said: "Love is bourgeois and sex is evil"

I would call that gold.

[Led Zeppelin]

There are probably millions of leftist parties around. Most have a single-digit membership base. The most funny one was arguably the Maoist-Trotskyist (sic) Nya Revolutionära Armén (New Revolutionary Army), which was active in Sweden 2001-2005, and mostly consisted of boys aged 13 to 16.

It was a guerilla group. It's leader used to whisper in the phone, so his dad would'nt hear.

They also made an ideological statement which said: "Love is bourgeois and sex is evil"

I would call that gold.

Hahaha, so that is what happens when you mix Maoism with Trotskyism. :lol:

[KurtFF8]

There are probably millions of leftist parties around. Most have a single-digit membership base. The most funny one was arguably the Maoist-Trotskyist (sic) Nya Revolutionära Armén (New Revolutionary Army), which was active in Sweden 2001-2005, and mostly consisted of boys aged 13 to 16.

It was a guerilla group. It's leader used to whisper in the phone, so his dad would'nt hear.

They also made an ideological statement which said: "Love is bourgeois and sex is evil"

I would call that gold.

I don't understand how they didn't bring a popular revolution to Sweden then!

[RedHal]

There are many communist parties in existence.

PoWR is a new party that has broken from the failures of much of the "left": www.powr-prm.org (http://www.powr-prm.org)

whoever designed your party's website needs to do something about the disappearing mouse pointer. It's not easy to navigate without the pointer. I'm using firefox

[Herman]

Create a new party, angry shouting and then a split.

And the story goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on...

Strangers... seeearchiiiing. Up and down the boulevaaaaard!

[RedHal]

yeah it's the weakness of the left, too many splits, so the original post has it incorrect, there are too many parties!

[redarmyfaction38]

yeah it's the weakness of the left, too many splits, so the original post has it incorrect, there are too many parties!

mmm!

not too many parties comrade, too many egos, i'm afraid,
too many "revolutionaries" that treat the words of their various political THEORISTS like the "word of god" rather than the forwrd thinking contributions of ordinary men and women.
too many, wannabe, "vanguardists" and not enough humble advocators of "socialist" and "anarchist" ideology working within the working class to enable their self emancipation.
IMO.

[Dimentio]

mmm!

not too many parties comrade, too many egos, i'm afraid,
too many "revolutionaries" that treat the words of their various political THEORISTS like the "word of god" rather than the forwrd thinking contributions of ordinary men and women.
too many, wannabe, "vanguardists" and not enough humble advocators of "socialist" and "anarchist" ideology working within the working class to enable their self emancipation.
IMO.

Agreed.

[spice756]

Your post is completely incorrect. Show me a passage in the Constitution that says something along the lines of "communists, socialists, Labor party (sic) cannot run for congress or president". If someone were to get 98% of the vote, popular (a de facto victory, since no one could win 98% of the popular vote and lose the electoral vote) or electoral, they would be elected President.

The US use to be only a 2 party system republican and democratic.Now allowing the greed party.

Do you ever hear people say over and over the US is not democracy because of the 2 party system that almost the same.And the system should be reformed .

[redarmyfaction38]

The US use to be only a 2 party system republican and democratic.Now allowing the greed party.

Do you ever hear people say over and over the US is not democracy because of the 2 party system that almost the same.And the system should be reformed .

the us, like the uk, is only half a democracy, you can elect bourgouis leaders belonging to different bourgious parties, but, essentialy, the same people, the bourgouisie, remain in control.
only the creation of a "workers party", based in the working class, financed by the working class and its self organised "institutions" could ever begin to challenge the role of the bourgouis parties.
it is not until workers have financial as well as political control that a full democracy is possible.
or am i missing what you're trying to say?

[Amnesia Proletariat]

It's not about building a party, it's about building a social movement significant enough to establish the changes we desire. Once that is the case, we march straight to capitol hill and we abolish the existing parties.

[spice756]

the us, like the uk, is only half a democracy, you can elect bourgouis leaders belonging to different bourgious parties, but, essentialy, the same people, the bourgouisie, remain in control.
only the creation of a "workers party", based in the working class, financed by the working class and its self organised "institutions" could ever begin to challenge the role of the bourgouis parties.
it is not until workers have financial as well as political control that a full democracy is possible.
or am i missing what you're trying to say?

I think what people are saying is they want more than the republican and democratic to choose from than the 2 party system.

Not like Canada where you got Liberal party,NDP,Green,communist so on.The conspiracy is even if 95% want a communist party you cannot only republican and democratic .Do to the 2 party system.

[oujiQualm]

One reason is the "lefts" isolation on websites that only talk to the converted. Too few leftists are willing to get on the big newspaper sites where new people can be reached and hear ideas they will otherwise never encounter.

[Comrade_Scott]

Hey Im all for a new party. However we need a nice constitution for the party putting Marxism Trotskyism and Leninism together.

dude ive been preaching that for some time but all i hear is *****ing and moaning about mistakes and whos better. never gonna happen until we have some level minded people who will take the positives each idea has to offer and run with them and just leave behind the negative ideas.

[redarmyfaction38]

dude ive been preaching that for some time but all i hear is *****ing and moaning about mistakes and whos better. never gonna happen until we have some level minded people who will take the positives each idea has to offer and run with them and just leave behind the negative ideas.

so, do it!

various "tendancies" have managed to work together before and on occassion, do so today.
when we do work together, my less "polically aware" brothers and sisters leap to join us "revolutionaries".
when we sit and squabble, argue over who should hold the leading banner, who has the "correct" pollitical perspective etc. my brothers and sisters just go ffs! and carry on voting new labour, conservative or bnp.
that is the truth of it comrade, it aint nice.
we really need to get our act together or we are fucking lost.

[Dust Bunnies]

There are probably millions of leftist parties around. Most have a single-digit membership base. The most funny one was arguably the Maoist-Trotskyist (sic) Nya Revolutionära Armén (New Revolutionary Army), which was active in Sweden 2001-2005, and mostly consisted of boys aged 13 to 16.

It was a guerilla group. It's leader used to whisper in the phone, so his dad would'nt hear.

They also made an ideological statement which said: "Love is bourgeois and sex is evil"

I would call that gold.

That is my new ideology, from this day I am a Mao-Trot! :rolleyes:


It is sad how we are not united, but isn't that the history of Socialism? First there was Marx, then Lenin did his own thing, then Stalin did his own thing with Trotsky wanting something different all while Anarchists were kicking butt and taking names. We have 2 major challenges, the first is to unite, the second is to properly construct our society.