Sneaking in a leftist canidate

[Abluegreen7]

Is it possible to dress a socialist/communist canidate as a Republican or democrat and get him or her into the whitehouse.

I see a good plan for the future of Communism if so.

[Martin Blank]

It's been tried with lower offices and the inevitable result has been that they have been co-opted and "mainstreamed" as politicians of the main capitalist parties. There hasn't been a socialist or communist elected to office as a Republican or Democrat who has been able to maintain their politics inside one of the main parties since the end of Reconstruction.

[Abluegreen7]

Thats very dissapointing.

[apathy maybe]

It's been tried with lower offices and the inevitable result has been that they have been co-opted and "mainstreamed" as politicians of the main capitalist parties. There hasn't been a socialist or communist elected to office as a Republican or Democrat who has been able to maintain their politics inside one of the main parties since the end of Reconstruction.
This is basically it.

Any "communist" or "socialist" who joins one of the main stream parties is going to have to "believe" the propaganda to get anywhere at all. And if you believe the propaganda, you *believe*, because if you don't believe, you won't get selected for anything.

And you come to believe, and accept all the crap that is feed you, you have to. And then you stop being left-wing, and start supporting the status-quo.

Of course, it isn't just left-wingers joining the major parties, it is *anyone* elected to a position of power.

Take the Greens in Germany, they were part of the ruling coalition, and in the interests of pragmatism etc., they sold out their ideals. They fucked up, and joined the ruling class.

Socialists and left-wingers can't rule, they can only exist in opposition, because as soon as they start to rule, they join the enemy. They become the enemy.

No, what is needed is a total smashing of the state. No bullshit "reformism".

[Red October]

It wouldn't work, and we shouldn't do it even if it did. Communism isn't about decieving people and sneaking it in on them, people have to build it themselves. It isn't communism if you force it on people out of nowhere. Even for communists who support seizing state power (which I don't), I doubt they think that's the way to do it. These are just bullshit fantasies, revolution can never be made by deceiving the people and forcing it from above.

[Os Cangaceiros]

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[redarmyfaction38]

Is it possible to dress a socialist/communist canidate as a Republican or democrat and get him or her into the whitehouse.

I see a good plan for the future of Communism if so.

there is no problem with compromise in a personal situation, but to compromise yourself in a situation?
the trouble with trying to work within the system to change the system, is that the system changes you.

[Amnesia Proletariat]

This is basically it.


Socialists and left-wingers can't rule, they can only exist in opposition, because as soon as they start to rule, they join the enemy. They become the enemy.



Excellent statement.

[Mindtoaster]

there is no problem with compromise in a personal situation, but to compromise yourself in a situation?
the trouble with trying to work within the system to change the system, is that the system changes you.


Well thank you Immortal Technique :lol:


As stated somewhere above, the revolution must come from the bottom up. Sneaking in a communist candidate would alone, be a sacrifice of our values.

Ofcource according to the conservatives, Obama is apparently a Secret-Marxist :rolleyes:

[Red October]

Well thank you Immortal Technique :lol:


As stated somewhere above, the revolution must come from the bottom up. Sneaking in a communist candidate would alone, be a sacrifice of our values.

Ofcource according to the conservatives, Obama is apparently a Secret-Marxist :rolleyes:

Too bad the conservatives are wrong when they say everyone slightly left of center is a hardcore communist.

[redarmyfaction38]

Well thank you Immortal Technique :lol:


As stated somewhere above, the revolution must come from the bottom up. Sneaking in a communist candidate would alone, be a sacrifice of our values.

Ofcource according to the conservatives, Obama is apparently a Secret-Marxist :rolleyes:
i thought it first!:lol:

[redarmyfaction38]

This is basically it.

Any "communist" or "socialist" who joins one of the main stream parties is going to have to "believe" the propaganda to get anywhere at all. And if you believe the propaganda, you *believe*, because if you don't believe, you won't get selected for anything.

And you come to believe, and accept all the crap that is feed you, you have to. And then you stop being left-wing, and start supporting the status-quo.

Of course, it isn't just left-wingers joining the major parties, it is *anyone* elected to a position of power.

Take the Greens in Germany, they were part of the ruling coalition, and in the interests of pragmatism etc., they sold out their ideals. They fucked up, and joined the ruling class.

Socialists and left-wingers can't rule, they can only exist in opposition, because as soon as they start to rule, they join the enemy. They become the enemy.

No, what is needed is a total smashing of the state. No bullshit "reformism".
have to agree, every time revolutionary socialists have taken the "parliamentary path", they have either become part of the bourgeouis political system or found themselves isolated, betrayed and vilified by the reformist parties they joined.
however, this does not mean that putting forward a clear socialist programme in a bourgeouis democratic election is any kind of sell out or betrayal of revolutionary ambition.
the bourgeouis political system has to be exposed for what it is, for those with illusions in democracy and reformist parties, the people they wish to elect have to be seen to be rejected and betrayed by both the political establishment and the reformist parties.
despite my bad spelling, does this post get my "analysis" across?

[VILemon]

Excellent statement.

This requires elaboration.

Wouldn't you say?
:confused: