Need help to counter nazi on the job.

[redturk]

Ok.I work construction.One of the formen who has been with company since the day it started is a hardcore nazi.He has been one since the 80s.Tattoos of sawsticas,hitler,nazi pride across his back,boots with white lace,so he is not just talking.The problem is he is always recruting and talking his crap.I work for a sub-contractor so he can't do anything to me if I speak against him.Everyday he is saying something.Like Mexicans and African Americans have never done anything without whites.Without slavery Africans would still be in the dark ages.African American teens are 1% of the population but do 60% of crime.Stuff like that.Alot of the guys are buying it because I don't know what to say to counter him.There are some Mexicans and African Americans working,but they can't help.The antifa way of dealing with him wont work.He is ex-military and huge.One day at lunch a fight broke out between him and 5-6 people.He easily destroyed them.He is brutal.Something has to be done.Any ideas?

[Bazza]

boots with white lace

:confused:

Is that mean to signify that he is a nazi?
Wearing docs with white laces round were I live was supposed to mean that you were into anarchy. But that is going back donkeys years. No one has bothered with laces colour since the early 80s.

[Bazza]

As for dealing with a nazi in the work place get your Union to sort it out. I know that my Union would be quick to deal with any form of racism in the work place.

[Holden Caulfield]

As for dealing with a nazi in the work place get your Union to sort it out. I know that my Union would be quick to deal with any form of racism in the work place.

yeah,

that or argue him down, talk about the the advanced nature of the Arab world in the middle/dark ages in comparision to the 'Western world' at the time, and that the Chinese culture was far far more advanced than we ever were for thousands of years,

educate people yourself with facts on immigration today as well, and show that it is anti-working class to divide the work force and that unity between all the workers makes them stronger and can halt their exploitation,

[nuisance]

:confused:

Is that mean to signify that he is a nazi?
Wearing docs with white laces round were I live was supposed to mean that you were into anarchy. But that is going back donkeys years. No one has bothered with laces colour since the early 80s.
Well not so much now, but white used to mean white power, red communist and some on, but I don't see how it could of been that different where you're from. Strange.

[Pia Fidelis]

talk about the the advanced nature of the Arab world in the middle/dark ages in comparision to the 'Western world' at the time, and that the Chinese culture was far far more advanced than we ever were for thousands of years

Or mention ancient Egypt, ancient Sumeria, ancient India, ancient (and modern) Japan, ancient Peru, ancient Mexico, ancient Iran et cetera. Explain that Western "progression" and "expansion" is entirely based in Capitalism, and that it is the Capitalists that create the oppression that you live through on a day-to-day basis.

[revolution inaction]

Also tell people how race and nationality are completely artificial concepts and there is more variation within "races" than between them.

[Charles Xavier]

Mexicans and Africans had a functioning society, functioning economy with little hungry prior to white expansion.

Europe just had a stronger military

[Lynx]

When working in construction, accidents can happen.

[Red October]

When working in construction, accidents can happen.


True that. People fall off shit all the time.

[nuisance]

Sensible posts please.

[Led Zeppelin]

It's pretty easy to disprove his claims. When he says that whites are superior to other people, ask him why the Chinese civilization was more advanced than the "white European" for hundreds of years.

When he says that whatever percentage of African-Americans commit whatever percentage of crime, ask him why a much higher percentage of the African-American community lives in poverty, which causes people to commit crimes.

In this manner you can humiliate his arguments in front of the other people, and then get them on your side against the Nazi.

When you have achieved that, there's nothing more to really fear from him. Also, talk to the African-American and Mexican co-workers about him, and tell them that you believe his opinions are idiotic, and that you believe something should be done about it. That way they won't become alienated from you.

[rednordman]

If I was to give you some advice i would just stay out his way and dont take what he says seriously. Infact, just laugh under your breath when he says something out of order. The bloke is obviously a fuckwit, but he sounds like a dangerous one at that, so it probably isnt even worth getting in an argument with him ( i mean if he has nazi tatoos an all, i doubt that he is going to become a leftist in a hurry:D). If he really gets in your face though, I would do as others have mentioned and go to the union or tell your manager. In my opinion, abuse is something that no worker should have to put up with and i fear that if you where to try and argue him down, than you may open up pandoras box. This is the last thing you need at work.
I apologise if my respose sounds a little bit passive and boring but at the end of the day, you are correct and he is totally wrong living in nazi dreamland just like the rest of them if they actually believe any of that bullshit that the keep on spreading. Their isn't even any point in getting worked up about it because these people are simply sad, deluded bastards, end of. If any of your fellow work mates are getting 'recruited' by this twat than as far as im conserned, they are all twats themselves, for falling for it. Next time he says something and you get pissed of just think to yourself 'whatever' and them work off the frustration or something. To sum it up, if you where to get into a fight with this moron i just believe that it wouldnt be worth it no matter the outcome (even if you where to hammer him). He isnt going to be changed, and by the sound of your post, the only language that understands is the language of fists.
Also you say that you have Mexican and African-Americans working there. What do they say about him? how do they deal with him?

[Red October]

Alright, apart from offing this guy, there isn't a whole lot you can do. You should try to counter all his shit and misinformation and hopefully turn the workers (all races) against him. Destroy his credibility so no one will listen to him.

[JimmyJazz]

As for dealing with a nazi in the work place get your Union to sort it out. I know that my Union would be quick to deal with any form of racism in the work place.

this is the only good post

[Mindtoaster]

Honestly, as suggested above his arguments can be destroyed just by bringing up the middle-east's and asia's cultural superiority to Europe during the middle-ages. Humiliate him publicly.

After that work on rallying the mexican and african-american workers against him, he wouldn't't stand a fucking chance and I'm willing to bet that they're a hell of alot tougher then the loud mothed white boy.

[redturk]

Thanks for the input.We don't have unions here much.A few trades but nothing on this job.He is very careful to never say or do anything illegal.He calls imigration if he thinks there are any undocumented workers around.That leads me to his economics.He tells everyone that the Mexicans work for $8 a hour instead of $20 and bring down everyone elses wages.He tells everyone that this company loses jobs because other companys that use Mexicans can under bid us and take the job.He is really bringing alot of people to his cause.

[MarxSchmarx]

Well it's a little dicey but you could report his antics to HR/management. Of course they will tell you to get lost.

At that point, rat on his sorry ass (and the company's) to the NAACP, ADL, SPLC, LaRaza etc... They are experienced in (civil) litigation against racist employers and supervisors in the courts. Such an open scumbag would be easy pickings for their lawyers. Use the courts to make the fucker pay. And bring down another shit company with him.

[Devrim]

Interestingly enough the guy complaining about fascism has a national flag as his icon.

Devrim

[Dust Bunnies]

Well it's a little dicey but you could report his antics to HR/management. Of course they will tell you to get lost.

At that point, rat on his sorry ass (and the company's) to the NAACP, ADL, SPLC, LaRaza etc... They are experienced in (civil) litigation against racist employers and supervisors in the courts. Such an open scumbag would be easy pickings for their lawyers. Use the courts to make the fucker pay. And bring down another shit company with him.

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[Hit The North]

Thanks for the input.We don't have unions here much.A few trades but nothing on this job.He is very careful to never say or do anything illegal.He calls imigration if he thinks there are any undocumented workers around.That leads me to his economics.He tells everyone that the Mexicans work for $8 a hour instead of $20 and bring down everyone elses wages.He tells everyone that this company loses jobs because other companys that use Mexicans can under bid us and take the job.He is really bringing alot of people to his cause.

I think you need to argue about who benefits from this state of affairs. It's not the Mexican workers labouring for minimum wage, but the employers who use a divide and rule policy in order to increase the exploitation of all concerned. You could then point out that this fascist's racism plays into the hands of the employers and is therefore no solution. In fact, you could argue that he is the bosses best friend, doing their work for them. Increasing the solidarity between workers and strengthening union representation is the only way forward.

[Dr Mindbender]

Interestingly enough the guy complaining about fascism has a national flag as his icon.

Devrim

nationalism and fascism arent necessarilly mutually inclusive. You only need to look to ireland, palestine or arugably the basque country or chechnya for examples of progressive nationalism.

Anyway Turkish nationalism doesnt strike me as having the same gung ho or imperialist connotations as unilateralist countries like the us or britain.

the nationalism of the usa =/= the nationalism of palestine.

[MarxSchmarx]

Anyway Turkish nationalism doesnt strike me as having the same gung ho or imperialist connotations as unilateralist countries like the us or britain.
Many Armenians, Kurds, Greeks and Cypriots would beg to differ.

[Devrim]

There are two different arguments here, one is that there is a progressive nationalism, which I don't agree with anyway. The second is that Turkish nationalism is a part of that, which is patently absurd.

Turkey is a country where until recently a large number of its citizens were forbidden from speaking their own language, in many cases the only language they knew. This was punishable by a prison sentence.

In fact, to even claim to be a part of a certain minority was punishable by a prison sentence.

It is a country where outspoken members of minority groups get murdered by fascists in the street.

It is a country where within recent memory their have been actual pogroms against minorities.

As for its imperialistic expressions, you may have noticed that the Turkish army did recently invade Northern Iraq.

On a historical level, Hitler himself was inspired by the genocide against Armenians, which killed 1,500,000 people.

Today it is still illegal to state that this happened. Technically, I am liable for prosecution for writing this post under article 301 of the criminal code on 'insulting Turkishness', which is punishable by a prison sentence.

Devrim

[black magick hustla]

Just to add to the conversation, Sinarquismo in Mexico, which was the equivalent of mexican fascism, had at one time around 1 million followersl. They also expoused an anti-imperialist rhetoric. However, they talked about how leftists formed the church of satan and how sinarquistas were going to build a totalitarian catholic state.

Fuck nationalism.