Two Estonian farms establish Soviet republic

[Chapaev]

http://en.rian.ru/world/20080903/116519145.html


Two farms in north-east Estonia have joined forces to declare an independent "Soviet republic" and intend to seek Russia's recognition, a Russian communist organization said on Wednesday.

"We no longer want to live in bourgeois Estonia, where nobody cares about the common people...with raging unemployment and corruption, and where everything depends on NATO and the Americans," Russian communists from St Petersburg, who are assisting the 'republic,' quoted its founder, Andres Tamm, as saying.

Residents and founders of the 'Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic' have already formed a national 'Soviet government,' a police force, and have begun demarcating the state's borders.

Meanwhile, residents of the republic claim that the "bourgeois" Estonian government has sent a "squad of relatives of Estonian Nazi SS veterans" to regain control over the breakaway territory.

The republic is currently drafting a treaty of friendship with Russia to be submitted to the Russian president in the next few days.

Estonia is a former Soviet republic and a current member of both NATO and the EU

[mykittyhasaboner]

lol, two farms?

and whats with this treaty of friendship? i guess Russia is just a hit man for every break away region in Europe. :rolleyes:

[Abluegreen7]

I hope the SU comes back.

[FreeFocus]

Would be more constructive and supportive of freedom if they set up communes instead.

[Goose]

http://en.rian.ru/world/20080903/116519145.html

And are you absolutely sure that's not from The Onion? Lovely idea, though it is, obviously...

[Red October]

So...some farmers got drunk and declared a new Soviet Republic?

Can I start my own Soviet Republic too? Can my Soviet Republic form an alliance with the Estonians and make the new Soviet Union?

[Incendiarism]

This happened in family guy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/FGEPeterbusUnum.png

[Abluegreen7]

So...some farmers got drunk and declared a new Soviet Republic?

Can I start my own Soviet Republic too? Can my Soviet Republic form an alliance with the Estonians and make the new Soviet Union?

I say we find a bunch of farmers to declare a Soviet Republic world wide.

[BIG BROTHER]

Hey if they can do that, I'm gonna do it too:lol: Get ready to hear about the founding of the "The peoples Soviet apartment" fomer apartment in California.

[Vendetta]

Funny, great and sad, all in one flavor.

[Bear MacMillan]

I declared my school locker a soviet republic last year.

[DancingLarry]

Seize the Hour! If we all declare our own soviet socialist republics, ranging from Estonian farms to high school lockers, we can join together into one great united federation, a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Comrades! We have nothing to lose but our minds! :thumbup:

[Yes]

:lol: Holy SHIT! :lol:

[Yehuda Stern]

I'm real glad it's two, otherwise I'd be afraid they follow the theory of Socialism In One Farm.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I didn't even know that Walter Ulbrich had any followers....

[OI OI OI]

Comrades! We have nothing to lose but our minds! http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies2/thumbup.gif

I'm real glad it's two, otherwise I'd be afraid they follow the theory of Socialism In One Farm.

lmao:lol::lol::lol:


Seems like we have some Soviet nostalgics:)

[Sendo]

I'm real glad it's two, otherwise I'd be afraid they follow the theory of Socialism In One Farm.

Hilarious

[Melebeb]

I'm real glad it's two, otherwise I'd be afraid they follow the theory of Socialism In One Farm.

:laugh:

Genius joke... or is it really?

Holy mother of orwellian dystopias!!

This gives a whooole new meaning to "Animal Farm"!!

[Prairie Fire]

Holy mother of orwellian dystopias!!

This gives a whooole new meaning to "Animal Farm"!!




lmaohttp://www.revleft.com/vb/two-estonian-farms-t88256/revleft/smilies2/laugh.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/two-estonian-farms-t88256/revleft/smilies2/laugh.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/two-estonian-farms-t88256/revleft/smilies2/laugh.gif


Seems like we have some Soviet nostalgicshttp://www.revleft.com/vb/two-estonian-farms-t88256/revleft/smilies/001_smile.gif




Comrades! We have nothing to lose but our minds! http://www.revleft.com/vb/two-estonian-farms-t88256/revleft/smilies2/thumbup.gif


Don't sneer at an attempt to wrest control away from the bourgeosie, and take power into the hands of the workers. Seriously.

It might not be as large as you and I would like, but everything has to start somewhere.

Ironic that many sneer at this tidbit, because this concept is actually not terribly different from Anarchist tactics (except they declared themselves a Soviet republic;If they declared themselves autonomous and anti-state, this thread would be a long list of comments along the lines of "Well, it's about damn time! Nicely done!").

And no, trying to declare a small geographical location a socialist republic is not the same as trying to declare a school locker a "soviet republic"; one has workers and residents, the other does not.

[DancingLarry]

Don't sneer at an attempt to wrest control away from the bourgeosie, and take power into the hands of the workers. Seriously.

It might not be as large as you and I would like, but everything has to start somewhere.



I suspect you're taking this more seriously than the Estonian farmers are. You did catch this, didn't you?


Meanwhile, residents of the republic claim that the "bourgeois" Estonian government has sent a "squad of relatives of Estonian Nazi SS veterans"A squad of relatives of Estonian Nazi SS veterans? That has to be a joke, it makes no sense in any other context.

Actually, I would guess that these "Soviet socialist" farmers are probably more like anarchists than anything else, and are having a typical anarchist prank with the media of multiple nations. The Yippies would have admired it, including the obvious humor.

[Saorsa]

The Yippies were douchebags.

[cyu]

Don't sneer at an attempt to wrest control away from the bourgeosie, and take power into the hands of the workers. Seriously.

It might not be as large as you and I would like, but everything has to start somewhere.


Every great idea starts with one person, is spread to those around him, and if the idea is good enough, it eventually encompasses the world.

I'd rather hear something like this happened than hear that two farms had decided to enslave all their migrant workers and have now hired "private security firms" (ie. armed thugs) to make sure they don't get out of line.

[Prairie Fire]

I'd rather hear something like this happened than hear that two farms had decided to enslave all their migrant workers and have now hired "private security firms" (ie. armed thugs) to make sure they don't get out of line.


Um, I have read the attached article and have found no mention of "private security firms" or migrant workers, prompting me to ask, exactly what the fuck are you talking about?

[RedHal]

Um, I have read the attached article and have found no mention of "private security firms" or migrant workers, prompting me to ask, exactly what the fuck are you talking about?

I suggest you read the beginning of his/her sentence lol

[BIG BROTHER]

Seize the Hour! If we all declare our own soviet socialist republics, ranging from Estonian farms to high school lockers, we can join together into one great united federation, a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Comrades! We have nothing to lose but our minds! :thumbup:


I'm real glad it's two, otherwise I'd be afraid they follow the theory of Socialism In One Farm.

fuck you guys made it so hard for me to hold my laughter, when i read this :lol: i almost woke up my brother(i was using the laptop during the night)

[Psy]

This reminds me of Soviet Unterzoegersdorf (http://www.monochrom.at/suz-game/index_en.htm)

[Goose]

I'm real glad it's two, otherwise I'd be afraid they follow the theory of Socialism In One Farm.


And that's funnier than the thing I said was funny the other day!

[Mala Tha Testa]

I'd rather hear something like this happened than hear that two farms had decided to enslave all their migrant workers and have now hired "private security firms" (ie. armed thugs) to make sure they don't get out of line.this

[Yehuda Stern]

fuck you guys made it so hard for me to hold my laughter, when i read this http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies2/laugh.gif i almost woke up my brother(i was using the laptop during the night)

And that's funnier than the thing I said was funny the other day!

Yeah, I'm a killer.


Don't sneer at an attempt to wrest control away from the bourgeosie, and take power into the hands of the workers. Seriously.

Ahem. Peasants are not workers. And no one is wresting anything out of anyone.


It might not be as large as you and I would like...

A Soviet government in one country is not as large as I would like. A "Soviet government" in a farm is a fucking cartoon.


Ironic that many sneer at this tidbit, because this concept is actually not terribly different from Anarchist tactics...

If it comforts you, I've been known to sneer at anarchist tactics as well.


And no, trying to declare a small geographical location a socialist republic is not the same as trying to declare a school locker a "soviet republic"; one has workers and residents, the other does not.

And cows, don't forget the cows.

[Prairie Fire]

Ahem. Peasants are not workers. And no one is wresting anything out of anyone.



Does everyone else have a part of this story that I'm missing?

I said earlier that I found no mention of "private security firms" or migrant workers in the article linked to at the start of this thread.

After searching the document again, I found no mention of the term "Peasant" or "Peasantry" either. To the best of my knowledge, there isn't much of a peasantry in eastern europe anymore (although I could be wrong).

That would mean, these workers on the farm, if they have to selll their wage labour (as opposed to working the land and surrrendering a portion of their harvest), are workers, not "peasants". Agrarian work does not constitue being a peasant.



And no one is wresting anything out of anyone.


(Allow me to mimic your previous, smug throat-clearing sound) Ahem.

Declaring political secession is wresting political and legislative powers from the hands of another government into the hands of the seceding government.


A Soviet government in one country is not as large as I would like.

If you want to discuss your historical failure of a theoretical outlook, we can do that on another thread. In the meantime, let us look at reality rather than our hopes and aspirations.



If it comforts you, I've been known to sneer at anarchist tactics as well.


Who hasn't?


And cows, don't forget the cows.

Despite your mocking, my analysis was valid.

[Yehuda Stern]

Despite your mocking, my analysis was valid.

Sir, while I may not agree with your farm communism crackpot theories, I will defend to the death your right to amuse me with them.

[Prairie Fire]

Whoa, whoa,whoa!

1.) I'm not a "sir"

2.) Stop putting theories in my mouth. Certainly there has been no revolution on this farm, but never the less it is a progressive, anti-imperialist development.

All in all, your one sentence response was pretty weak, Yehuda

[cyu]

I said earlier that I found no mention of "private security firms" or migrant workers in the article linked to at the start of this thread.

You're right. When I made that comment, I was actually agreeing with what you said. I was saying I prefer to see the news in the original article, than to see bad news relating to the oppression of the poor. The mention of "private security firms" was just a hypothetical example of the bad news I would rather not see happen.



Peasants are not workers.


As far as I'm concerned, someone that does work is a worker. If a peasant does work, then he's a worker. If he doesn't do work, then he's not a worker.

[Dust Bunnies]

If this is real the farmers are heros.

[Q]

Yehuda clearly wins this thread by far :lol:

[Yehuda Stern]

1.) I'm not a "sir"

Sorry. Being a man myself, I know how offensive that could be.


Certainly there has been no revolution on this farm, but never the less it is a progressive, anti-imperialist development.

I absolutely do not see how. If the farmers had simply declared their allegiance to Marxism, then fine, I would welcome that. But right now, this just seems like one of those ridiculous one people states used to make money off of supplying cheap internet services.


As far as I'm concerned, someone that does work is a worker.

Well, lawyers work. Are they workers? I assure many senators and heads of bourgeois states work pretty hard for their class. Are they workers?

Hurrah, comrades! No need to nationalize any more farms! We have workers power already!


Yehuda clearly wins this thread by far

My my, Q, if I had any idea I could win you over by humor, I would've started with it a long time ago.

[cyu]

Well, lawyers work. Are they workers?

Sure they're workers. The boss of the law firm still exploits them and sits around taking a cut of the money they make, while the lawyers do the work.

I don't buy into any capitalist attempts to divide people into "working class", "middle class", "upper middle class", etc etc. The fact is, the vast majority of people who work for a living would benefit from workplace democracy and having the ability to fire the boss instead of the other way around.



I assure many senators and heads of bourgeois states work pretty hard for their class. Are they workers?

Hurrah, comrades! No need to nationalize any more farms! We have workers power already!



Sure, the politicians, the armed thugs, the secret police, and the torturers are all workers. But no, just because the instruments of power are workers doesn't mean your society is controlled by the workers. What you have in most capitalist "democracies" is in fact plutocracy disguised as democracy. The wealthy just hire one group of workers to oppress the others. If you have no integrity, then maybe you could be "lucky" enough to be hired as one of the oppressors - otherwise, you're SOL.

[BIG BROTHER]

So are the farmer going to have 5 year plans in order to industrialize their country and collectivize their farms?:lol: