fashbasher 5000
3rd September 2008, 03:49
The particular discussion I was having where this point was brought up was about anarcho-collectivism, but if that's not your area of expertise go ahead and talk about another system and I can try to adapt it.
Basically, the right-winger I was debating with asked me how a factory would be built, and more specifically where the capital for its construction would come from. I realize many post-capitalist systems do away with capital, but I'm talking about anarcho-collectivist systems that retain a system of money. In an anarcho-communist system I suppose it would be a community initiative and, in the absence of capital, members of the community would build it, taking what the need from the communal pot (in terms of food and other supplies) but in a system without complete communal ownership how would this be done? A loan with interest is a capitalist idea, but a loan without interest and with no guarantee of return is a lot to ask. Would the collective provide for them while they work to be able to provide for themselves? Isn't that essentially taxation of the people who are working productively, and therefore essentially a state rather than a loose association of freely interacting individuals?
What I'm asking isn't whether capital should be abolished, it's purely within the theoretical realm of post-capitalist systems that don't propose that.
Basically, the right-winger I was debating with asked me how a factory would be built, and more specifically where the capital for its construction would come from. I realize many post-capitalist systems do away with capital, but I'm talking about anarcho-collectivist systems that retain a system of money. In an anarcho-communist system I suppose it would be a community initiative and, in the absence of capital, members of the community would build it, taking what the need from the communal pot (in terms of food and other supplies) but in a system without complete communal ownership how would this be done? A loan with interest is a capitalist idea, but a loan without interest and with no guarantee of return is a lot to ask. Would the collective provide for them while they work to be able to provide for themselves? Isn't that essentially taxation of the people who are working productively, and therefore essentially a state rather than a loose association of freely interacting individuals?
What I'm asking isn't whether capital should be abolished, it's purely within the theoretical realm of post-capitalist systems that don't propose that.