War on Iraq

[El Che]

Well its official, in the year 2003 there is no international law, no united nations, no nothing. Mr. Bush is the law. Truely amazing how so many people dismiss the call for a world gorverned by laws, and laws that apply equaly to all, as a Leftist lyrical, utopian dream.

People who support this war have no intelectual honesty and no self respect.

[deadpool 52]

There is a war on Iraq?

[Ghost Writer]

People who support this war have no intelectual honesty and no self respect.

Not true. I am 100% consistent, and I think rather highly of myself.

[Mazdak]

Bush is following the path of hitler. He is paying no mind to the UN (as hitler did to the League of Nations) and making war. Its a disgrace how many people actually support this nonesense.

[Ghost Writer]

I think a more accurate analogy would be to compare Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait to the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. Although the U.N. acted on the behest of the United States to twart Iraq's expansion, the actions later taken are very similar. In fact, it was France who was not willing to support action against the Japanese. Thereby, creating the Manchurian Crisis that forever undermined the legitimacy of that failed body. After this incident, several events that were similar to this occurred, while the league refused to act. Its no wonder that by the time Hitler broke with the Munich agreement, the League of Nations was only an exhaust plume of hot air.

A more accurate comparison of Hitler should be made with respect to Saddam, who has taken his que that the United Nations remains inept. This is evidenced by their wide range of failures to act in the interest of peace. Once again, France is the impeding the ability to take action. By demonstrating the lack of will to use forced coercion to uphold its laws, we are guaranteed further diplomatic breakdowns. Nobody has been listening to the U.N. for quite some time, and once again we sit on the verge of a world-wide conflict. The United States is doing everything in its power to avert such a crisis, while the Hitlerian threat of anti-semitism and imperial advances is growing in in Eurasia. Hopefully, the power brokering ends soon and the full extent of the Axis of Evil becomes clear, so the United States can once again rid the world of the totalitarian threat that exists.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 8:20 am on Mar. 19, 2003)

[Hampton]

Shock and Awe = Blitzkrieg

[Zombie]

The United States is doing everything in its power to avert such a crisis
JOB WELL DONE !! :angry:


the United States can once again rid the world of the totalitarian threat that exists

i'm gonna rephrase that, so u may seem less dumb :
The United States can once again rid the world of a totalitarian threat that IT put to power decades ago.

[CruelVerdad]

We learned that the UN is shit!
That who has the power can do whatever he wants to do! -->USA
|--> That many countrys don´t have the balls to support peace, to say NO to Bush!

[Larissa]

CV, many countries said NO. Argentina and Mexico have reconfirmed today their rejection to this mad war of Bush's.

[Pete]

Your Hilter analogy seems misguided. It is America who started to ignore international law. And who has great weapons capable of attacking in a blitzkrieg style. America came to these arms them selves, like Hitler did. Iraq was given them by America.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 9:02 pm on Mar. 18, 2003
Not true. I am 100% consistent, and I think rather highly of myself.


So does Bush ,we all know how that's going to end.

[Kapitan Andrey]

UN will broke, when >usa< attack Iraq!!! May be >nato< too...

Then we must build a new alliance, alliace against yankee imperialism!!!

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from Hampton on 9:41 pm on Mar. 18, 2003
Shock and Awe = Blitzkrieg


Idiot:

Blitzkrieg= Intentional bombing of civilian targets aimed at demoralising the British people.

Shock and awe= Discriminate and precision bombing of military infrastructure aimed at demoralising the Iraqi leadership.

[abstractmentality]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 10:04 pm on Mar. 18, 2003

Quote: from Hampton on 9:41 pm on Mar. 18, 2003
Shock and Awe = Blitzkrieg


Idiot:

Shock and awe= Discriminate and precision bombing of military infrastructure aimed at demoralising the Iraqi leadership.

so that is what happend in the gulf war? no, i didnt think so. that is when we hit water sites and other "military infrastructure[s]" that helped to "demorali[ze]" and kill many Iraqi civilians.

"It should be said at once that nothing we had seen or read quite prepared us for the particular form of devastation which has now befallen the country. The recent conflict has wrought near-apocalyptic results upon the infrastructure of what had been until January 1991, a highly urbanized and mechanized society. Now most means of modern life have been destroyed or rendered tenuous" - how the UN Mission, headed by Under Secratary General Martti Ahtisaari.

"A few facts:
Best estimates are that 80-90% of the smart bombs hit their targets, but...
Their targets were often exactly the things the civilian population needed to live: the smart bombs were aimed at-and hit-electricity, water, sanitation, roads, and hospitals.
The 10-20% that went astray were devastating: one hit Fallujah, a city 40 miles from Baghdad. It killed 130 people. A 12-year old boy, Abdullah Mehsan, now has stumps where his legs used to be. His father, uncle and cousin were killed in the raid.
The [i]great majority of the bombs were dumb bombs; the total of all bombs combined, misssed their targets 70% of the time, often levelling entire blocks of civilian homes."
"We killed between 125,000 to 300,000 Iraquis.
We destroyed a 5,000 year-old city that was part of the whole worlds history-part of our own history-and that i hear was once very beautiful.
According to the Harvard Report, their conservative estimate is that by May of 1992 170,000 Iraqui children under the age of five will die because of health problems directly related to the war."

"Laura Flanders:
If you had one thing to say to the students of the United States, what would it be?

Hajar Abdul Ghani:
I'd say, 'Please, love us, because...we need love. We need someone to feel with us. We really don't hate Americans. We still like Americans. We...hate the way they treat us. We are not Saddam Hussein."

Quoted from Ron Davids book Arabs and Israel

(Edited by abstractmentality at 11:07 pm on Mar. 18, 2003)

[Ghost Writer]

Blitzkrieg= Intentional bombing of civilian targets aimed at demoralising the British people.

I began to question myself after seeing this, Liberty Lover. I had always thought that Blitzkrieg was a tactic of coordinated land air attacks used to penetrate enemy lines and cause a sense of mass confusion in your enemy, thereby making flanking maneuvers easier to conduct. In a sense, you drive right through the heart of the enemies front lines in a frontal assault, and flank them to prevent escape and regroup. I thought Blitzkrieg was a common practice in war, perfected first by the Germans and later used by allied forces. Didn't we use this principle during the first Gulf War? Am I wrong?

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 8:42 am on Mar. 19, 2003)

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 8:39 am on Mar. 19, 2003

Blitzkrieg= Intentional bombing of civilian targets aimed at demoralising the British people.

I began to question myself after seeing this, Liberty Lover. I had always thought that Blitzkrieg was a tactic of coordinated land air attacks used to penetrate enemy lines and cause a sense of mass confusion in your enemy, thereby making flanking maneuvers easier to conduct. In a sense, you drive right through the heart of the enemies front lines in a frontal assault, and flank them to prevent escape and regroup. I thought Blitzkrieg was a common practice in war, perfected first by the Germans and later used by allied forces. Didn't we use this principle during the first Gulf War? Am I wrong?

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 8:42 am on Mar. 19, 2003)


German for 'lightning war'. A swift sudden military offensive usually by combined air and land forces.

I was reffering to the London Blitz; involving heavy bombing of residential areas by the Germans in 1940 and 1941 during World War II.

[Ghost Writer]

I was reffering to the London Blitz; involving heavy bombing of residential areas by the Germans in 1940 and 1941 during World War II.

Phew! I had used that word in an essay I had written, and was a little flustered when I thought I might have misused the term. Thanks for clearing that up.