Question

[Militantstructure]

My question to Rev Left is this.

Would running for Senate or Governor further our Communist agenda?


If you may so kindly help me.

[Dr Mindbender]

no.

You cant operate communism within a bourgiouse democratic[sic] apparatus. It has to be overthrown, not patched up, because the senate , much like the UK's house of lords and commons was set up with the specific purpose of defending it's own ruling class.

[Sam_b]

Yes.

Socialists and communists stand in elections in order to reach out to a wide platform of working class voters and to give working class people an opportunity to vote for someone who has their class interests at heart.

Its not about winning. Socialism cannot be won through parliamentary means.

[Vendetta]

It's kinda a yes and no question, but I don't see why not.

[Coggeh]

Yes.

Socialists and communists stand in elections in order to reach out to a wide platform of working class voters and to give working class people an opportunity to vote for someone who has their class interests at heart.

Its not about winning. Socialism cannot be won through parliamentary means.
Spot on .

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Yes.

Socialists and communists stand in elections in order to reach out to a wide platform of working class voters and to give working class people an opportunity to vote for someone who has their class interests at heart.

Its not about winning. Socialism cannot be won through parliamentary means.
Very well said. This is worth emphasizing: It's not about winning. We shouldn't expect to win bourgeois elections, and we must never enter coalition governments with bourgeois forces.

It's about using election periods to spread our message, and using whatever seats we manage to gain to make life difficult for the bourgeois parties.

[Demogorgon]

No, because you wouldn't have a cat's chance in hell of getting any media attention and therefore wouldn't be able to spread your message. It wouldn't do any harm either, but it would a be a lot of effort for little gain.

In man other countries with fairer electoral systems and better medias it is possible to get attention and spread your message, so it is worthwhile in such cases.

[F9]

No.Being active in the states and bourgeois methods,and be a part of it,it only makes them stronger.When you contribute to them it means you support the way the system is.

Fuserg9:star:

[Lamanov]

No.

Parliamentary system is designed in such a manner that only the representatives of rich and influential people can get through it. If there's a "leftist" who made it into the scene, it's only because there's some sort of structure behind him/her, very well integrated into the system (union bureaucracy, political party with stable finance or NGOs); but then, this is no longer "left" ("left of capital"), and even then it remains in minority.

I see there are allot of people on Revleft who are for parliamentary work, and it's not looking good. It means there are still allot of people who either don't understand how the system works, or they are simply under the influence of typical mini-bureaucratic aspirations.

[Organic Revolution]

My question to Rev Left is this.

Would running for Senate or Governor further our Communist agenda?


If you may so kindly help me.

You may want to change your user name, friend, for that is in no way a 'militant structure'.

Now on to your question in further detail. Bourgeois structures are in place to stifle any revolutionary action, and to disenfranchise the working class. That being said, to enter a 'communist' governor in the state apparatus would serve two functions those being (1) to disenfranchise the working class and (2) to alienate your struggle from any real praxis. Look at what happened in Italy during the Years of Lead ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_%28Italy%29) ), whereas the communist party, entering into the state, was in collusion with the fascists and the Government police forces in (1) Combating the Autonome and the anarchists (as well as the more militant communist organizations) and (2) destroying any chance of a real revolution.

Entering into politics alienates the masses, dont do it.:thumbup: