My school crushes human rights. - They banned an act of free

[Invader Zim]

Today they told us that the pupils union was not aloud to hold a strike next week, in protest of the War, i pointed out to a teacher that this infact breaks E.U human rights laws, but they would not listen.

DOWN WITH SCHOOL

[Sovietsky Souyuz]

bunch of wankers, do it anyway, outside the gates of your school, piss 'em right off, i would

[Invader Zim]

They would... but we are in six form they would probably kick us out if we did.

[Anonymous]

Pupil's union, what's that? And since when can students legally hold a strike?

[Pete]

We are not allowed to do that. FUCK THE ADMIN. Do it anyways. DC has got a point. So use that and break the rule that hinders you. Why would you even ask the admin? That's not the best thing... I'm on your side though. Just skip the bullshit.

[Anonymous]

I'm against the any type of strike.

[deadpool 52]

Teenager's lament.

[Invader Zim]

According to the EU (which Britain is a member of) all people have the right to peaceful protest and freedom of speach. I dont see why just because im only 16 i dont get my european human rights.

I have posted a source and relevent information below. It does not show the relevant data about the right to strike, as part of peaceful protest but as im sure you are aware that is a basic human right. But it is very relevant, none the less. As they are restricting a right to express ones opinions etc. I have bolded the most relevant points.

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THE EUROPEAN CONVENTION ON HUMAN RIGHTS AND ITS FIVE PROTOCOLS

SECTION I

ARTICLE 4

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude.
No one shall be required to perform forced or compulsory labour.
For the purpose of this article the term forced or compulsory labour' shall not include:
(a) any work required to be done in the ordinary course of detention imposed according to the provisions of Article 5 of this Convention or during conditional release from such detention;
(B) any service of a military character or, in case of conscientious objectors in countries where they are recognized, service exacted instead of compulsory military service;
© any service exacted in case of an emergency or calamity threatening the life or well-being of the community;
(d) any work or service which forms part of normal civic obligations.

ARTICLE 11

Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. this article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State. "

Source (http://www.hri.org/docs/ECHR50.html)

This is of course open to many forms of interpritation. I am choosing to bend it to suit my case, but still.

[Invader Zim]

Heres the relavant data: -

The free man may withdraw his labour. He enters into a voluntary agreement with someone else in which he agrees to carry out some specified work in return for a specified amount of pay. If there is disagreement between them he may freely withdraw his labour. This is a most essential right, the right of every citizen, of every worker, to associate with others and withdraw his labour, to go on strike.

Source (http://www.solbaram.org/articles/right.html)

No where does it say any thing about being a specific age at all.

[Pete]

In Canada, which the EU's Right thingy is based on the age of a person is 18. Voting age is the age of a person. Until the day you turn 18, or your parents legally release you, you are a legal possession of your parent. I know it is bs. But basically you have no rights until you turn 18, or whateer the voting age is. Your parents have to file the violation for you and can veto it if they wish.

[CruelVerdad]

There is nothing big that you can do...
The only way that you can do something is if you get your classmates support, get as many people as you can...
TAKE DRASTICAL ACTIONS, AND YOU´ll BE HEARD!

[Invader Zim]

VIVA LA CEDARS REVOLUTION

[Pete]

Fuck the authority that binds your wrists and links the chain to your ankels!

[Moskitto]

they've got that petition to sign though, most of them are going to ignore the strike ban.

[Solzhenitsyn]

According to the EU (which Britain is a member of) all people have the right to peaceful protest and freedom of speach. I dont see why just because im only 16 i dont get my european human rights.

AK47 you're 16 and as such have no authority to express your rights. Your parents or legal guardian hold those rights and are supposed to exercise them on your behalf.

Furthermore, the "free speech rights" granted by the EU are an illusion. Try wearing a T-shirt with a swastika or SS runes in public anywhere in the EU and you're going to be imprisioned for "hate crimes."


No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. this article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.

I don't know how anyone can seriously consider this to be protecting a self-evident right. The wording allows for any-and-all restrictions of said right at mere whim.

(Edited by Solzhenitsyn at 7:29 pm on Mar. 18, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Solzhenitsyn on 2:24 am on Mar. 19, 2003

According to the EU (which Britain is a member of) all people have the right to peaceful protest and freedom of speach. I dont see why just because im only 16 i dont get my european human rights.

AK47 you're 16 and as such have no authority to express your rights. Your parents or legal guardian hold those rights and are supposed to exercise them on your behalf.

Furthermore, the "free speech rights" granted by the EU are an illusion. Try wearing a T-shirt with a swastika or SS runes in public anywhere in the EU and you're going to be imprisioned for "hate crimes."


No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. this article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.

I don't know how anyone can seriously consider this to be protecting a self-evident right. The wording allows for any-and-all restrictions of said right at mere whim.

(Edited by Solzhenitsyn at 7:29 pm on Mar. 18, 2003)


You post the source and prove it then. Look in all that site i posted and try to find any relevant details relating to legal rights of Minors. You will see that it mentions Zero. There for one can assume what you like.

If you are correct then that means that kids are under represented, and this in it self is act of restriction of rights.

VIVA STUDENT RIGHTS

[Pete]

Kids are underrepresented. We do not even get to vote. We have none of the fundamental rights, except what our parents give us. It is sad, but true. Go on 'student strike' fuck the power base.

[Moskitto]

there's rumours they're going to expell everyone who went, i daubt it though, it would look very bad when someone takes it to the press. But from what i heard it was pathetic, there was 1 broken window, they spelt Iraq "Irak" they spelt Blair with an E :rollseyes:, one girl who was interviewed was asked why she was marching and she said "because of Bin Laden", and most of the protesters were immature year 9s (not to say that all year 9s are immature) who didn't really care about war and just wanted to skip some lessons for a legitimate reason.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 7:55 pm on Mar. 18, 2003
Pupil's union, what's that? And since when can students legally hold a strike?


He is right. And I doubt the "EU Law" applies to those participating in full-time education.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Moskitto on 5:17 pm on Mar. 19, 2003
there's rumours they're going to expell everyone who went, i daubt it though, it would look very bad when someone takes it to the press. But from what i heard it was pathetic, there was 1 broken window, they spelt Iraq "Irak" they spelt Blair with an E :rollseyes:, one girl who was interviewed was asked why she was marching and she said "because of Bin Laden", and most of the protesters were immature year 9s (not to say that all year 9s are immature) who didn't really care about war and just wanted to skip some lessons for a legitimate reason.


Well as it happened we did not go but still. This is a student rights issue, now. Thats what pisses me off. Apparantly they set stuff on fire and broke windows. But when me and Moskitto went down it was over and all we could find was a cracked window...

[Moskitto]

they made someone in my chemistry class have a panic attack during a driving lesson.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Is this post for real?

Someone complained that kids dont get to vote! I am 18, study politics and sociology and still dont believe I have enougn knowledge to align myself to a political party.

You're actually debating the rights of pupils within a school!?!? I'll tell you you're rights...

You have the right to do anything the teacher says because he/she teaches you everything you know and everything you will know in order to get your qualifications and, ultimately, your career.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Socialsmo o Muerte on 6:04 pm on Mar. 19, 2003
Is this post for real?

Someone complained that kids dont get to vote! I am 18, study politics and sociology and still dont believe I have enougn knowledge to align myself to a political party.

You're actually debating the rights of pupils within a school!?!? I'll tell you you're rights...

You have the right to do anything the teacher says because he/she teaches you everything you know and everything you will know in order to get your qualifications and, ultimately, your career.

You can speak for your self about only knowing what the teacher tells you. Most of the politics i pick up is from the news, the radio and from books and newspapers. Very little from the teachers. I dont see why it is considered that i am to stupid to vote because im only 16. I have a better knolage of politics than most voting adults, and thats for sure.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

By claiming you know more than whoever makes you stupid for starters.

And even with the things you apparently read in books, newspapers etc., you still would not get any qualifications if teachers did not do their job for you.

And think before you say that. I very much doubt that you've found more knowledge on your school topics on yourself than your teachers have given.

You shouldn't talk yourself up so much.

[BOZG]

Well I organised a walkout last Tuesday and I'm now facing suspension. I have to wait til the next board of management meeting for the decision. I've also indirectly been told I'm expelled if I try it again.
I'm also now not allowed wear a white armband for peace on my arm. I'm not allowed put posters up around the school or even hand out leaflets and had some of them confiscated the other day.
I was then told that the school has no problem with the issue of war being debated in the school but when I pointed out that I'd already presented a petition calling for an assembly on the war, the principal then went back and said schools were not a place for politics.
And the irony of all of this, is that it's the same school that the current Irish Taoiseach (PM) went to and this school has been visited numerous times by the Taoiseach and once by Tony Blair.



You have the right to do anything the teacher says because he/she teaches you everything you know and everything you will know in order to get your qualifications and, ultimately, your career.

Complete and utter bullshit. All "teachers" do is spoonfeed you what's in your school books. They don't teach or educate. Yes, they do give you thing things you need to get a career but that's merely because that's what the present system requires. Education is about encouraging people to interact, about how to grow, about how to seek out knowledge and to learn about who they are and who the people around them are, not about how they can become part of the next generation of wage slaves.

[Pete]

By saying all teachers do that BOZG you make a false generalization. In all of my classes this semester we are given articles do to and the teacher says: "Analyse this for discussion tomorrow" and we have an intellectual chat about whatever the issue is.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Quote: from BornOfZapatasGuns on 9:52 pm on Mar. 19, 2003
Yes, they do give you thing things you need to get a career but that's merely because that's what the present system requires.

How the fuck can you say that. Do you have no respect. No gratitude. It's basically a contradiction anyway.

"Yes, they do give you what you need to get a career"
So that's not enough to give them appreciation?

You wannabe radical lefties are so synical. You may think it's cool and right to be synical, but when it comes to the point where you can't accept that schools are there for the benefit of you and you only, then it is pathetic. Along with those in the medical profession, teachers are the most important people in whatever country you are in. Oh wait, don't tell me you're going to come up with some "cool" and "radical" statement about how doctors and nurses are all conservative fuckers.

Grow the fuck up, all of you. Stop annoying your teachers and schools because without them you're just going to be a no good fuckin bum on the streets. And then you'll just go blaming "the system".

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Socialsmo o Muerte on 8:29 pm on Mar. 19, 2003
By claiming you know more than whoever makes you stupid for starters.

And even with the things you apparently read in books, newspapers etc., you still would not get any qualifications if teachers did not do their job for you.

And think before you say that. I very much doubt that you've found more knowledge on your school topics on yourself than your teachers have given.

You shouldn't talk yourself up so much.


I was actually talking about politics. But now i think about it i got through my GCSE's on my own, i did not need the teachers, nearly all they taught us i already new.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

That's such a stupid thing to say, because it obviously isn't true.

[BOZG]

Yes they "teach" what we need to know to have a career under a capitalist society. I don't want a fucking capitalist society. Schools are a production line of the new generation of workers.



teachers are the most important people in whatever country you are in.

I definately agree with that but you'll find there's not many teachers in schools.



I never let school interfere with my education --- Mark Twain

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from AK47 on 7:59 pm on Mar. 20, 2003

Quote: from Socialsmo o Muerte on 8:29 pm on Mar. 19, 2003
By claiming you know more than whoever makes you stupid for starters.

And even with the things you apparently read in books, newspapers etc., you still would not get any qualifications if teachers did not do their job for you.

And think before you say that. I very much doubt that you've found more knowledge on your school topics on yourself than your teachers have given.

You shouldn't talk yourself up so much.


I was actually talking about politics. But now i think about it i got through my GCSE's on my own, i did not need the teachers, nearly all they taught us i already new.


Except geography and computing. My teachers for that were good. But seriously what got me through my history all i did was read the text book in lessons and ignored the teacher because he was an idiot. Same with maths, english, science (all three). And i failed drama.

My text books taught me most of what i needed to know for my GCSE's not the teachers.