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Sendo
31st August 2008, 12:19
Sorry if this is the wrong forum....

I've been reading a lot on finance and banking lately, documentary "Money as Debt" and reading stuff from guys like Michael Hudson.

Given the host of bubbles in the USA economy lately, especially in the things that don't really produce anything (like houses) I' can't help but feel one bubble might be left. The student loan bubble.

Given, not everyone has ran up $90,000 plus...but a lot of students have debts that are really up there and college tuitions are still (thank you lobbyists and conservatives) going up at alarming rates. The job market is shit, there is almost nothing productive left anymore, and the best jobs are just parasitical jobs on what is a below zero-sum economy (thanks to money policies, profits from finance, externalization of waste, sucking of resources, bad worker productivity from low wages, job outsourcing, war machine, etc). When I get back to NA I'll be doing (ugh) one more year of school (public this time) to get qualified for teaching...but what does that mean for me? More debt or more piling of debt's interest b/c I lose my current income (saving about $900 / month)?

I also think of all the people who have useless pieces of toilet paper we call bachelor's degrees. They've become the new bare minimum like the high school diploma. We worked hard to get our degrees, we know a good deal of stuff, but now what? We don't stand out enough for the good, middle-income jobs or jobs that can pay enough to get out of debt. What do we do then....continue the higher education rat race with the grueling, soul-sucking process of getting a PhD?

So we have a large chunk of a generation spending 6 years plus at school, eventually working for depressed wages (given post-1973 stagnation and current inflation). If even people don't default, is it possible that the banks are again, "banking" on revenue that won't come as nicely as expected? The economy is collectively taking out loans and paying loans with more loans on an IOU on fiat currency which doesn't exist. B/c of "fractional reserve" a bank with $100 can loan out $1000!!!!! Worse yet that $1000 loan can be deposited in another bank and that bank can loan out $100 and so on......So as if it isn't bad enough that banks are getting rewarded for taking "a risk" on money which isn't just no theirs, but not even in existence, we also have the profit motive and the wonderful pattern of selling mortgages and loans and basing revenue forecasts on it, etc.

What does everyone think, will this be the next crisis? A bunch of bachelor and graduate degree-holders unable to pay back monstrous loans? Admittedly the fact that this disaster in higher education is limited to just the USA.

hunterkyrie
31st August 2008, 18:30
What does everyone think, will this be the next crisis? A bunch of bachelor and graduate degree-holders unable to pay back monstrous loans? Admittedly the fact that this disaster in higher education is limited to just the USA.

It already is a huge crisis. In major cities such as Chicago, Seattle and NYC, they are constantly raising the bar of qualification to hire in young men and women just graduating college. In other "run of the mill" cities it's sad to see that someone with a bachelors degree is working in retail.

At my job, which is in retail, I work with a very well-educated, older women. She went to college, got her Bachelors degree and I believe, even got her Masters. And yet, she isn't even an asst. manager. She has been working at that job for, I don't even know how long.
I'm sure she's in her 60's right now. She should already be retired, playing with her grandkids and relaxing.

And not to mention that certain state colleges have different standards. So one school cost $100,000+ a year. While another school just a few states away will cost $6-8,000 for all 4 years. Simply because they have different standards. So even a BA from one school is more useful than another. Even though it's the same education. I hope some students aren't getting chipped of a great education simply because that's the way the school wants it.

What does it matter if it's from Harvard or Arizona Tech?

I think even some High Schools in other countries have a better curriculum than half the colleges in America. We just don't seem to be emphasizing on the right things apparently.

which doctor
31st August 2008, 18:40
So even a BA from one school is more useful than another. Even though it's the same education. I hope some students aren't getting chipped of a great education simply because that's the way the school wants it.

What does it matter if it's from Harvard or Arizona Tech?
The specific college has quite a bit to do with the education. Different colleges have different teaching methods and some are much more rigorous than others.

spice756
31st August 2008, 20:21
From my understanding the IT bubble is over.I know many people get into IT line of work and have hard time to get jobs .And what is left is offshoring.

The US is going from a manufacturing to a service economy .You all should move to Canada :) Canada is still manufacturing service economy !! How long I don't know.

I think the US is having a hard time with finance and finding jobs for people.The higher pay in Canada, high doller than the US,more investment,economic hub like Toronto ,Calgary ,Vancouver , stronger middle class so on.Is lots of US capitalists are investing in Canada and setting up shops do to the pre-90's left movment and labor unions.


They can pay more in Canada than the US , because we have less people.The US has 10x more people than Canada .

But the US does not have money so is downsizing and offshoring and going from a manufacturing to a service economy .

But because Canada has less people can still keep a manufacturing economy .