High School Commie's Guide needs a update part 2

[spice756]

High School Commie's Guide needs a update.


The thread is a little messing and need some organization.Here is my FAQ that can be added.

Here are the claims I get.

FAQ ( part 2)

1.Communism controls every expect of you life.
Under ideal communism the people control

2.Communism is non-democracy
Under ideal communism the people rule

3.Captlism in the US is stable
Many economics in the US say in 5 or 10 years there will be big depression

4.Stalin was not communism.
The standard of lifedid improve under him and Russia was a primitive agriculture society .He industries the country and improve working hours.

Was the first country in world to invent the 8-hour workday, women are equal to man, housing and food was provided my him.

Note. There were some food shortages now and than.

5.Mao killed people
False .There where some communist people killing other people and Mao put them in jail.

Mao Zedong was very good he took the properties from the evile rich landlords force land distribution and made women equal with men sent children to school and put adults to work.

But some of his goals was not far , he overworked the people and the goals very high and he was very close to impleaded true communists !!

6.Comminism never work
It never work because people lost interest in communism

7.communism is anti- freedom of speech and liberty
Read the communist manifesto!! This is right wing lies.

9.Communism is run by a dictator.
Under ideal communism there is elections.

10.Comminism is state capitalism
Under ideal communism everyone has the same pay and money, to stop state capitalism or restate of capitalism.

11.How can government be trusted and be pro-communism and anti- capitalism?
This is where elections come in and organization like the KGB come in .

12.What is to stop the government being corrupted or no longer interest in communism?
By them getting the same pay like the working class, elections and organization like KGB

13. Governments are bureaucrat and it is part of the bureaucracy.
No bureaucrat is government official, and bureaucrat is complex rules and regulations applied rigidly in administrative system, especially in a government.

This is good and this is where there needs to be workers council.

14.What is to stop the government putting profit in command?
By having laws and giving police powers to arrest government people who do that.

15. There is no freedom under communism
Under ideal communism this not the case. The working class rule.

16.Communist support censorship.
This is propaganda.

[F9]

High School Commie's Guide needs a update.


The thread is a little messing and need some organization.Here is my FAQ that can be added.

Here are the claims I get.

FAQ ( part 2)


1.Communism controls every expect of you life.
Under ideal communism the people control
under Communism no one controls


2.Communism is non-democracy
Under ideal communism the people rule
No one rules


3.Captlism in the US is stable
Many economics in the US say in 5 or 10 years there will be big depression

thats guessing(?)

4.Stalin was not communism.
The standard of lifedid improve under him and Russia was a primitive agriculture society .He industries the country and improve working hours.

Was the first country in world to invent the 8-hour workday, women are equal to man, housing and food was provided my him.

Note. There were some food shortages now and than.
are you against the man-woman equality?:confused:and no,food and housing wasnt provided by stalin.I dont consider stalin a acommunist
Note.CCCP wasnt Communist


5.Mao killed people
False .There where some communist people killing other people and Mao put them in jail.



Mao Zedong was very good he took the properties from the evile rich landlords force land distribution and made women equal with men sent children to school and put adults to work.

But some of his goals was not far , he overworked the people and the goals very high and he was very close to impleaded true communists !!
Mao didnt take the gun and shoot at people,But famine was a big problem and never solved,people were exploited and they didnt have anything to eat.


6.Comminism never work
It never work because people lost interest in communism

Communism never worked due to bad organism and wrong ideas in the movement.

7.communism is anti- freedom of speech and liberty
Read the communist manifesto!! This is right wing lies.
agreed.Communism for freedom of speech and liberty


9.Communism is run by a dictator.
Under ideal communism there is elections.
Under ideal Communism there is NOT elections,no one rules.


10.Comminism is state capitalism
Under ideal communism everyone has the same pay and money, to stop state capitalism or restate of capitalism.

Correct


11.How can government be trusted and be pro-communism and anti- capitalism?
This is where elections come in and organization like the KGB come in .
There isnt goverment in Communism!!!!
organizations like KGB dont help in Communism but in facism!


12.What is to stop the government being corrupted or no longer interest in communism?
By them getting the same pay like the working class, elections and organization like KGB
See 11


13. Governments are bureaucrat and it is part of the bureaucracy.
No bureaucrat is government official, and bureaucrat is complex rules and regulations applied rigidly in administrative system, especially in a government.


This is good and this is where there needs to be workers council.
See above


14.What is to stop the government putting profit in command?
By having laws and giving police powers to arrest government people who do that.
wtf!:confused:thats not Communism thats facism!!


15. There is no freedom under communism
Under ideal communism this not the case. The working class rule.
NO ONE RULES


16.Communist support censorship.
This is propaganda.
whats censorship?


As you can see your commie quide is wrong!Hope you understand better!

Fuserg9:star:

[spice756]

I was not talking about the higher stage of communism here.

[Lost In Translation]

I was not talking about the higher stage of communism here.
Then what's the point of doing your previous post?

[spice756]

The higher stage of communism has no state or money.I was just debunking the myth about the USSR.

Print this page out and memorize it , use it when kids in school say things like ....Comminism is state capitalism ,Communism is non-democracy so on..

[F9]

The higher stage of communism has no state or money.I was just debunking the myth about the USSR.

Print this page out and memorize it , use it when kids in school say things like ....Comminism is state capitalism ,Communism is non-democracy so on..

its wrong.i dont need anything to memorize.The point here is that YOU understand that you have mistakes there.We have a friendly talk here nothing offensive,but you can try make more clear what Communism is because the above has nothing to do with it.You can ask questions either here either in other topic,we gladly answer your questions.

Fuserg9:star:

[spice756]

I think you are getting confused with some terms here.Here is quotes from Revolutionary Left Dictionary .



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Communism
1. Any philosophy advocating a classless, stateless society without money or markets organized according to the principle “from each according to ability, to each according to need” 2. In Orthodox Marxist theory it is stage of history coming after socialism (dictatorship of the proletariat) when the state has “withered away” and society is run according to the principle “from each according to ability, to each according to need”

Further Reading

What is Communism? - Redstar2000 (http://www.anonym.to/?http://redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082898978&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)


Dictatorship of the Proletariat

Also called a “workers’ state.” In Orthodox Marxist theory, a state controlled by the workers and used to suppress the bourgeoisie. This will “wither away” during the transition from socialism to communism. The USSR, China and other not so notable states such as Vietnam, Cuba, Angola, Tanzania and Laos all claimed to be in this "dictatorship of the proletariat," none ever claimed to have achieved communism. In communism there would be no government.

Further Reading

http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/dictp.html (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/dictp.html)
http://www.geocities.com/youth4sa/pr...tatorship.html (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.geocities.com/youth4sa/proledic...ctatorship.html)
http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/ber..._of_prole.html (http://www.anonym.to/?http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/berneri/d...c_of_prole.html)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/kaut...10s/dictprole/ (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.marxists.org/archive/kautsky/wo...910s/dictprole/)
http://www.marx2mao.org/Other/ODP77NB.html (http://www.marx2mao.org/Other/ODP77NB.html)


Socialism

1. A belief that human society can and should be organised along social lines - that is, for the benefit of all, rather than for the profit of a few 2. A type of reformist politics advocating nationalised industries and workers rights 3. In Orthodox Marxist theory, the stage after capitalism but before Communism in which the dictatorship of the proletariat rules and individuals are paid according to how much they work. China, the USSR, etc. all claimed to be in this socialist stage, none ever claimed to be in communism. That is why the USSR was called the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics and not the Union of Soviet Communist Republics. 4. Also a form of post revolutionary society in its own right.

Further Reading

Reformist Socialism - Alexandre Millerand (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/GeogHist/histories/histdocts/Biblio20/A20/Millerand/1903millerand.html)
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/contemp/...el/sfb_main.htm (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/contemp/pamsetc/socfrombel/sfb_main.htm)
Democractic Socialist Perspective - An Australian Resource (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.dsp.org.au/)
What is Democractic Socialism - Reformist perspective (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.maxwell.syr.edu/maxpages/faculty/merupert/Research/far-right/dem_soc.htm)
Evolutionary Socialism - Preface to Eduard Bernsteins books (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.stetson.edu/artsci/russian/bernsteinevolsoc.html)

[Schrödinger's Cat]

I read the stickied threads, and to be honest it's pure crap. Why recycle the same trash? People may identify as socialists but they don't have much insight into socialism, and they are replying where they shouldn't. When I read communism is equatable to collectivism I shuddered.

For example, communism isn't a phenomena that occurs after X point in history. We can already see limited versions of communism in the form of P2P networks.

[F9]

I think you are getting confused with some terms here.Here is quotes from Revolutionary Left Dictionary .

no i am not.i heard those thing numerous times.I now what Communism is and it has nothing to do with what you said in your first post.
Not all Communists are Orthodox Marxists(hem hem),or Marxists too.

Fuserg9:star:

[spice756]

So you think people can go to communism with out a state, money or dictatorship of the proletariat ?

You don't believe to suppress the bourgeoisie?

You don't believe you have to go through a stage?


Do you support communism or are you into anarchy ? Or what communism do you support?



When I read communism is equatable to collectivism I shuddered


What?

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Another to add(please answear in a sentenced!):

People are naturaly greedy and lazy. They wouldnt bother being a doctor if they could be a bin man and get all they need.

[F9]

So you think people can go to communism with out a state, money or dictatorship of the proletariat ?
Exactly what i am saying.


You don't believe to suppress the bourgeoisie?
We dont suppress anyone,we defend the revolution.


You don't believe you have to go through a stage?
Basically no,there is no a middle stage,there is direct change.


Do you support communism or are you into anarchy ? Or what communism do you support?

I support both Anarchy and Communism.There is only one Communism.Our difference is basically on the way to it and some other small differents.

Fuserg9:star:

[F9]

Another to add(please answear in a sentenced!):

People are naturaly greedy and lazy. They wouldnt bother being a doctor if they could be a bin man and get all they need.

Wrong.There is no such thing as "naturaly".Moreover i can assure you that there are a lot of people enjoying and loving doctors job,and the way they contribute in the society so they would bother to do what they enjoy and like.Its not only what you get that please you,but what you give also.Thats Communism.

Fuserg9:star: