US Army Recruiting Nazis

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Details here:

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2008/08/nazi-army.html

[Goose]

And this is new because...

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

It contains new data and analysis.

You had to ask, because...

[Goose]

It contains new data and analysis.

You had to ask, because...

I had to ask because I've seen the films of Abu Graib, I'm aware of the American psyche, I've seen American culture coca colonising the world, and frankly you'd be hard pushed to find a non-nazi to join the American military.

It's a bit like those headlines, which are about as new as the US military/nazi shock, saying: "Pope in catholic shock."

[chimx]

frankly you'd be hard pushed to find a non-nazi to join the American military.

This is probably the most ignorant thing I've read on here all week..

[Goose]

This is probably the most ignorant thing I've read on here all week..

Wonderful. Then elaborate.

[OI OI OI]

This is probably the most ignorant thing I've read on here all week..

Seconded.

Do you even know whats a nazi goose?

[spice756]

The police and army train to be mean ,show toughness ,discipline ,take down tactics and rough it is part of the training.

Most are very conservative.

[Goose]

Seconded.

Do you even know whats a nazi goose?

Aww - do you know - I liked you on the other post!

Yes, I am fully compus mentis with the Nazi ideology. I spent many years in AFA, and dedicated most of my academic career to politics. I am now editor of a political magazine, which tragically is not Red Pepper, Living Marxism (haha), Pravda (though I do write for them, in Russian or English), Granma (same but with Spanish), Marxism Today (sadly taken over by the increasingly right wing New Statesman, who I also write for) and so on .

I am fully aware of the basis of Naziism and its ongoing powewr during the 20s/30s; its apparent decline post Hitler's defeat in the 40s; it's relative quietness until the 60s/70s when a number of pan-European groups began to embrace the skinhead ideology (I won an award given by a very well known UK daily left wing broadsheet, who I also have written for, though not as much as Mark Steel before they sacked him too, for a play I wrote about that, but won't name it as this site specifically tells you not to).

Do you want me to do 5 minutes on fascist ideology/economy/mysticism?

I assure you I am aware of what fascism is. Generally when I meet one, I like the idea of 3 minutes retraining or death if they fail to pass the exam. I havemassive facial scarring thanks to fascists.

You will presumably now tell me I don't know fascism once more, and that's fine.

[spice756]

I think you are confused here .Communism is not fascism at all , fascism is higher stage of ultra conservative.The polie and army in the US are not fascism , just ultra conservative that pick stuff that is fascism .So you got this police brutality and police being mean and tough .All shave head and fascism walk and look.


You can't walk anywhere in US with out ID , where are going ,want are you doing.The US government is removing freedom of speech , right to protest , suppressing the working class and poor.

[Goose]

I think you are confused here .Communism is not fascism at all , fascism is higher stage of ultra conservative.The polie and army in the US are not fascism , just ultra conservative that pick stuff that is fascism .So you got this police brutality and police being mean and tough .All shave head and fascism walk and look.


You can't walk anywhere in US with out ID , where are going ,want are you doing.The US government is removing freedom of speech , right to protest , suppressing the working class and poor.

I'm sorry I don't understand a word of that. Could you possibly write it in French/Spanish/German/Russian? I can understand any of those, and I appreciate you can't speak English.

[spice756]

What exactly do you not understand here.The cops and army are not fascism they just look tough, meen and rough . And ultra conservative.

Now I'm sure some fascism join the police and army but not all of the police and army are fascism .

[PRC-UTE]

I'm sorry I don't understand a word of that. Could you possibly write it in French/Spanish/German/Russian? I can understand any of those, and I appreciate you can't speak English.

There's no need to talk down to people in that way. That's the kind of condescending shit middle class liberals do, and thankfully we're better than that.

The US military's made up of quite a few non-whites, including American Indians, btw.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

The point of the article to which I linked, which it seems Goose has not read, or he would not have paraded his ignorance here, is that the growing pressure on the US military has meant that they have drastically lowered recruiting standards, and now regularly enlist openly fascist squaddies, which is contrary to the recruiting code.

This is a new turn of events, and is not unconnected with the decline of US power and the over-stretch of the US military.

[OI OI OI]

This is a new turn of events, and is not unconnected with the decline of US power

Maybe we will reach a period soon that there would be conditions for fascism in the US.

Declining empire , lack of subjective factor for socialist revolution, solutions needed by the population , intense class struggle and no victory cause of the lack of a subjective factor, people looking for solutions again , rich make blacks and jews as scapegoats , a new leader is found and made into a cult , blacks jews etc are murdered....


WE NEED A MASS WORKERS PARTY IN THE US OR ELSE WE RE DOOMED

[Colonello Buendia]

It worries me that thos nutters are getting in easier, Of course there have always been nazis getting in, but this is a fairly large grouping, it's really quite fucking scary that they're getting military training. jeezussss.:( and Goose, I agree with Chimx and OI OI OI, you're incredibly ignorant

[Lynx]

The point of the article to which I linked, which it seems Goose has not read, or he would not have paraded his ignorance here, is that the growing pressure on the US military has meant that they have drastically lowered recruiting standards, and now regularly enlist openly fascist squaddies, which is contrary to the recruiting code.

This is a new turn of events, and is not unconnected with the decline of US power and the over-stretch of the US military.
They prefer to recruit fascists than face the political storm of imposing the draft?
Perhaps they believe that an all-volunteer army is preferable to a conscripted one, given the debacle in Vietnam.
The function of a soldier is to kill people. What is the difference if an American soldier is a consummate professional or a vicious sociopath? The end result for civilians depends on the policies of engagement for the military as a whole.

[KrazyRabidSheep]

They prefer to recruit fascists than face the political storm of imposing the draft?
Perhaps they believe that an all-volunteer army is preferable to a conscripted one, given the debacle in Vietnam.
The function of a soldier is to kill people. What is the difference if an American soldier is a consummate professional or a vicious sociopath? The end result for civilians depends on the policies of engagement for the military as a whole.
Right; and it's also easier to hide questionable recruiting standards then it is to hide a draft.

Either is likely to cause some malcontent, but recruiting fascists is less risky overall.

[Guerrilla22]

The military claimed they were cracking down on white supremacist joining the army. Apparently they haven't put up much of an effort.

[spice756]

Maybe we will reach a period soon that there would be conditions for fascism in the US.

Declining empire , lack of subjective factor for socialist revolution, solutions needed by the population , intense class struggle and no victory cause of the lack of a subjective factor, people looking for solutions again , rich make blacks and jews as scapegoats , a new leader is found and made into a cult , blacks jews etc are murdered....



Most 98% of the US people are not fascism .But the goverment policy after 911 seems to be fascism policy , to remove freedom of speach and liberty,police state so on.Alex jones does good job explaining what is going on behind closed doors.

After 911 alot of the conservative people have move to this ultra conservative.Well the goverment policy moving to fascism .

The US people are very divided republican and democratic.The ultra conservative republican are so conservative and so hostile to the left , that I do see a civil war in the US.



WE NEED A MASS WORKERS PARTY IN THE US OR ELSE WE RE DOOMED

Very hard with US propaganda with the state run media.Only when people run and control the media may be.




Declining empire , lack of subjective factor for socialist revolution, solutions needed by the population , intense class struggle and no victory cause of the lack of a subjective factor, people looking for solutions again , rich make blacks and jews as scapegoats , a new leader is found and made into a cult , blacks jews etc are murdered....


I don't know what you meen by subjective factor for socialist revolution? I don't think 2% of US population will support communism ,let alone social democratic getting 5% votes.

Most are republican and democratic supporters.The republican ultra conservative and democratic more center.There is no left wing party or mass base support for a left wing party .The people are very very hostile to communism I don't see a revolution, neither do I see social democratic party getting 5% votes.

The US people are just too conservative now.

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Alabama 62.46% 1,176,394 Republican 2004
Arizona 54.87% 1,104,294 Republican 2004
Arkansas 54.31% 572,898 Republican 2004
California 55.88% 4,850,157 Republican 2006
Presidential elections results 44.36% 5,509,826 Republican 2004
Colorado 40.16% 625,886 Republican 2006
Presidential elections results 51.69% 1,101,255 Republican 2004
Connecticut 43.95% 693,826 Presidential elections results 2004
Delaware 45.75% 171,660 Presidential elections results 2004
Florida 52.10% 3,964,522 Presidential elections results 2004
Georgia 57.97% 1,914,254 Presidential elections results 2004
Mississippi 59.55% 684,981 Presidential elections results 2004
Nevada 50.47% 418,690 Presidential elections results 2004
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[Goose]

:( and Goose, I agree with Chimx and OI OI OI, you're incredibly ignorant

Well shit. That has just ruined any self esteem I previously had. Do you want to back up why my belief that the US military is a force of dark rightism is incorrect, or shall I just crawl off to cry in the knowledge that I'm ignorant?

[Pogue]

Well shit. That has just ruined any self esteem I previously had. Do you want to back up why my belief that the US military is a force of dark rightism is incorrect, or shall I just crawl off to cry in the knowledge that I'm ignorant?

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Pogue]

Perhaps I should also post on topic to balance this out.
Yeh, Nazis being in the military sucks. Nazis suck anyway though.

[#FF0000]

Well shit. That has just ruined any self esteem I previously had. Do you want to back up why my belief that the US military is a force of dark rightism is incorrect, or shall I just crawl off to cry in the knowledge that I'm ignorant?

Er, yeah the military and many of the people in it are strongly right wing. I don't think you need to defend that conviction.

The bit about the majority of soldiers being nazis is what we're calling you ignorant over.

[Goose]

Obvious troll is obvious.

Oh so I'm a fucking troll now am I? I'm sorry mate. I've been bleeding Marxism since before the internet was invented. I have no interest in trolling you or your chums. But I do like the way that the minute someone comes along and says something you're not so sure about they're a troll. Good work that. I guess trolls go to gulags, and we all live happily ever after?

[Goose]

Er, yeah the military and many of the people in it are strongly right wing. I don't think you need to defend that conviction.

The bit about the majority of soldiers being nazis is what we're calling you ignorant over.


Also liking the 'we'. Is that a Gramsciian universal we? Cos we all need someone to unite against, and someone that doesn't spill direct party line would be an easy target?

[Comrade_Scott]

no real suprise, any state that has an army run by crazy millitary/capitan of industry rightwing fucks is bound to end up that way. cant say that we didnt know it wasnt going on in the past just hapening more regularly now because they are both desprate abd comfortable in there right wing shit hole

[#FF0000]

Also liking the 'we'. Is that a Gramsciian universal we? Cos we all need someone to unite against, and someone that doesn't spill direct party line would be an easy target?

No. That "we" is referring to the lot that called you ignorant, and someone that makes ridiculous claims without backing them up is an easy target.

I'm at least giving you a chance to back up your claim before dismissing you. Now can you answer my question?

[ComradeG1967]

They prefer to recruit fascists than face the political storm of imposing the draft?
Perhaps they believe that an all-volunteer army is preferable to a conscripted one, given the debacle in Vietnam.
The function of a soldier is to kill people. What is the difference if an American soldier is a consummate professional or a vicious sociopath? The end result for civilians depends on the policies of engagement for the military as a whole.

If they started conscription, but excluded fascists, I reckon you would see many more fascists.

[Colonello Buendia]

The us military is as any other state sanctioned criminal org is, morally corrupt and idiotic. but most US soldiers are simply patriots I.E. people with misplaced pride in the state. they're not nazis. infact alot of yank soldiers are black or Latino. so most of them aint nazis. sure there are some but that's to be excpected in any army.so for you to think that all soldiers in the US are nazis is ignorant

[Pawn Power]

I just read the article. That is some scary shit! If the low estimates are right (1,400 white extremists currently serving) that is enough for a large battalion. Plenty of non-racists come back from bloody wars with emotional problems... mixing that with white-power seems rather dangerous.

[Pogue]

Oh so I'm a fucking troll now am I? I'm sorry mate. I've been bleeding Marxism since before the internet was invented. I have no interest in trolling you or your chums. But I do like the way that the minute someone comes along and says something you're not so sure about they're a troll. Good work that. I guess trolls go to gulags, and we all live happily ever after?

I mean you're a troll because you make stuff up about being a journalist/antifa. And you rage at everyone on a forum.
Pretending to be some uber leftist activist whilst spending alot of time sending aggressive messages at people on political forums are the two most obvious signs of a troll.

[biscuits]

ha ha ha shit this place blows.

Can I just accuse everyone of lying about everything, call them trolls, crack out the party line, and get away with life PURELY on the back of that...

[#FF0000]

ha ha ha shit this place blows.

Can I just accuse everyone of lying about everything, call them trolls, crack out the party line, and get away with life PURELY on the back of that...

What party line? We're all of different strains of leftism here.

And Goose is being a troll. He made a ridiculous claim and then got defensive when we called him on it.

Are you consciously trying to seek out the bad posts around here? :confused:

[biscuits]

there's a good chance I've been unlucky I suppose

searching troll blows the database capability though
revleft.com/vb/search.php?searchid=414290

oh... i cannot post links!?

i take back the party line thing, i suspect the whole troll thing just started spreading into me.

[Goose]

I mean you're a troll because you make stuff up about being a journalist/antifa. And you rage at everyone on a forum.
Pretending to be some uber leftist activist whilst spending alot of time sending aggressive messages at people on political forums are the two most obvious signs of a troll.

Sorry - I've been doing other things, like watching Man City (aka Human Rights FC) get one totally over on the rags (football is the opium of the masses after all these days) and going to work.

If you find me full of rage, I'm sorry - that's because I am, and I enjoy provoking and taking part in debate. I thought this was the point of a forum such as this.

As for why I would make up what I do for a living, or indeed the fact that as an impressionable teenager I would run around out of my depth with AFA till I took a beating, and then settle into more intellectual forms of protest, you'll have to explain this one to me. Possibly on another thread as it strikes me this forum is turning into something other than the thread it was intended to be.

To return to that, I feel the US army has always been an instrument of right wing oppression, and to apply levels of how right wing it can be is somewhat spurious.

If you wish to continue your personal attacks on me in a new thread I'l lbe more than happy to meet you there.

[Sendo]

Oh so I'm a fucking troll now am I? I'm sorry mate. I've been bleeding Marxism since before the internet was invented. I have no interest in trolling you or your chums. But I do like the way that the minute someone comes along and says something you're not so sure about they're a troll. Good work that. I guess trolls go to gulags, and we all live happily ever after?

So that makes you how old? The Pentagon "invented" (read:developed) the TCP/IP Internet from 1974-1983. You don't sound like you've been active for that long.

[#FF0000]

So that makes you how old? The Pentagon "invented" (read:developed) the TCP/IP Internet from 1974-1983. You don't sound like you've been active for that long.

Hey now, no more of that.

To get things back on track...

To return to that, I feel the US army has always been an instrument of right wing oppression...

I definitely agree with you there. You were just kind of "out there" saying that the U.S. military = Nazis. :lol:

[Goose]

So that makes you how old? The Pentagon "invented" (read:developed) the TCP/IP Internet from 1974-1983. You don't sound like you've been active for that long.

That doesn't 'make' me anything. The point at which I was born makes me 36 in about 6 bastard weeks, and where did it all go? And, no I wasn't a card carrying party member at 2, but forgetting how pedantic people can be I reasonably alluded to 'invented' within the realm of experience of your average proletarian, so late 90s at best, by which time I'd already sat in cells for the Poll Tax and miners' protests/riots.

[chimx]

I was busy playing duke nukem and quake in the mid to late 90s myself. Good ol' Prodigy, Compuserv and AOL.

[Goose]

I was busy playing duke nukem and quake in the mid to late 90s myself. Good ol' Prodigy, Compuserv and AOL.

Oh aye, did plenty of that too (well, not so much the computer bit - only got one in 2002 as I thought they were a fad, but remember Prodge at Reading in '98? That was ace! And totally relevant, obviously.)