Freedom of Speech - Why have people been banned recently?

[smith196]

Why does this board restrict freedom of speech? You have recently banned two anti communists. Are you just trying to wipe out any views that are different to your own? Why don't you allow Nazi's on this forum, when you let other people who disagree with your opinions post?

[Pete]

Norman has been banned twice for flaming and being racist, and just plain stupid. His only reason to come here is to piss us off so we will not tolerate the likes of him.

[synthesis]

Oh, shut the fuck up.

[canikickit]

Stormin' Norman, Old Friend and Commie ***** Slapper were all the same person. Who else was banned?

Get real. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Why should Malte provide a forum for someone to voice opinions which he finds to be reprehensible? There is no reason why he should.

It is also important to note that the banning is nothing to do with Norm's political opinion. It is to do with the fact that he is constantly rude and ill-mannered. It is very rare that I have seen him display respect for anyone, he has often indulged in personal attacks and dedicated entire posts to the ridicule of others.

He's possibly not the only one, perhaps there is a sleight double standard in play (I'm not saying there is, but I'm pretty sure that Norm is not the only one who has dedicated posts to ridiculing people), but that doesn't matter. The reality of the situation is that this forum costs $100 per month to run, to pay for the webspace, and the propierter has the right to do what he wishes with his webspace.

Freedom of speech - what a tired argument that is. It doesn't make logical sense. No one is being oppresed - there are plenty of places where people can speak as they wish. His rights are not being curtailed in the tiniest fashion.

I think Dyermaker summed up my post well. Even before I posted it. Well done.

[smith196]

Thanks for the replys. I didn't realise that Stormin' Norman, Old Friend and Commie ***** Slapper was the same person. I was talking about the bannings of Old Friend and Commie ***** Slapper. I agree with you that Norman was often rude and disrepectful, but at first he was alright.

Why don't you allow Nazi's though? Woudn't you want to try and change their views by debating them? By the way do you allow other racists who arn't Nazi's such as White Nationalists?

[Liberty Lover]

SN/OF/CBS was banned because no one at this forum was intelligent enough to hold an argument against him.

[Anonymous]

Agreed. I think most were just intimidated by his intelligence.

[Ymir]

Stormin Norman created many posts to agitate, annoy, and insult other members of Che-lives.com forums. If he had stuck to his actual arguments about politics and other issues instead of personal attacks, he would have not been banned. He continues to agitate...

[Charlie]

One of you said that SN made racist posts. Could you please refer to me to which posts of his exactly were racist? Not that I doubt your accusation, this is purely for self-assurance, seeing as he was probobly the only cappie I had a shred of respect for.

[Pete]

It may not have been him, I have been confused recently, but I consider all the threads that insult the french as rascist. I believe he posted in those with LL

[canikickit]

Nazis don't really have a part to play in reality. I don't see why they should be allowed. There is little logic behind their beliefs, personally I have no interest in talking to them or engauing in any types of discussion. Go to Stormfront to see how retarded their brains are.

Dark Capitalist and Liberty Lover, do not be so naive as to deny Norm was an ignorant and rude son of a *****. If people were intimidated by his intelligence why would he have been allowed to make some 1100+ posts before he begged to be banned in the first place (I still smirk at how childish that ploy was)?

I do not deny his intelligence, but I also belive he is remarkably full of shit and is way off base on a lot of things. There is a fundamental flaw in his way of thinking.

He was banned on the basis of his personal attack on Larissa. Although it was also more than likely a culmination of continuous disrespectful behaviour.

I'm quite sure that Tkinter and Mr. Smith agree and will admit that he came across as a complete sack of shit at times. I'll be glad to see the back of him. I fully expect the admin to ban every single incarnation he comes up with from now until eternity.

I am shocked that so many people can be taken in and decieved by the veneer of intellectualism he uses to disguise his flaming tactics. He said, as Commie ***** Slapper that "The jovial criticisms of other's ideas are far outwieghed by the thought provocking posts (I) routinely (submit)" - I find this quite jovial. I view these "criticisms" as vicious personal attacks designed to inflict mental pain. I think people who have read a number of such posts will agree. Even if perhaps these attacks were outweighed by rational debate (which I do not think is the case), the attempt of causing pain is far more striking than that of a well put argument.

Let's face it - we're all human. A lot of the time it as if we are enemies of some kind but the majority of us are just doing what we think is best, and our differences are exaggerated over the internet. This humanity which holds us together is far stronger than the differences of political ideals, and this is why I believe Norm, who behaves in a inhumane, harsh manner does not deserve to be allowed to speak. His slanders and insults strike closer to the heart than any kind of political debate. He has shown his true face on many occassions.

(Edited by canikickit at 1:15 am on Mar. 16, 2003)

[synthesis]

If I had it my way, we'd allow people to debate us based on their skill and friendliness rather than only their ideologies. I think it's rather silly that we banned that Blackshirt guy, who seemed to conduct himself reasonably well, while allowing the impolite, illiterate idiots to post here just because they aren't openly racist. In other words, I think who we "let" post here should be based on conduct rather than beliefs. I don't particularly care, though.

[Ymir]

I agree with Dyermaker.

[smith196]

Quote: from canikickit on 1:11 am on Mar. 16, 2003
Nazis don't really have a part to play in reality. I don't see why they should be allowed. There is little logic behind their beliefs, personally I have no interest in talking to them or engauing in any types of discussion. Go to Stormfront to see how retarded their brains are.

Dark Capitalist and Liberty Lover, do not be so naive as to deny Norm was an ignorant and rude son of a *****. If people were intimidated by his intelligence why would he have been allowed to make some 1100+ posts before he begged to be banned in the first place (I still smirk at how childish that ploy was)?

I do not deny his intelligence, but I also belive he is remarkably full of shit and is way off base on a lot of things. There is a fundamental flaw in his way of thinking.

He was banned on the basis of his personal attack on Larissa. Although it was also more than likely a culmination of continuous disrespectful behaviour.

I'm quite sure that Tkinter and Mr. Smith agree and will admit that he came across as a complete sack of shit at times. I'll be glad to see the back of him. I fully expect the admin to ban every single incarnation he comes up with from now until eternity.

I am shocked that so many people can be taken in and decieved by the veneer of intellectualism he uses to disguise his flaming tactics. He said, as Commie ***** Slapper that "The jovial criticisms of other's ideas are far outwieghed by the thought provocking posts (I) routinely (submit)" - I find this quite jovial. I view these "criticisms" as vicious personal attacks designed to inflict mental pain. I think people who have read a number of such posts will agree. Even if perhaps these attacks were outweighed by rational debate (which I do not think is the case), the attempt of causing pain is far more striking than that of a well put argument.

Let's face it - we're all human. A lot of the time it as if we are enemies of some kind but the majority of us are just doing what we think is best, and our differences are exaggerated over the internet. This humanity which holds us together is far stronger than the differences of political ideals, and this is why I believe Norm, who behaves in a inhumane, harsh manner does not deserve to be allowed to speak. His slanders and insults strike closer to the heart than any kind of political debate. He has shown his true face on many occassions.

(Edited by canikickit at 1:15 am on Mar. 16, 2003)


I agree with you on Norman, that he was often very rude and insulting to other members and maybe there were grounds for banning him. Norman was very intelligent though and he made good points for between 50-75% of the time he was here. I think he just got fed up because he couldn’t change your views and decided to be abusive.

I disagree with you about Nazi's or other pro white people. They seem to be playing quite a large part in reality, just look at basically all of Western Europe's recent election results. In Germany the Nazi's win up to 30% of the vote. Maybe their views don't have any logic behind them but there are a still a lot of intelligent pro white people who put their views across in a reasonable manner. People like Fade the Butcher epitomise this. He used to run the Phora and one of his most important beliefs was being pro white. I have to say he was one of the best debaters around and was immensely intelligent.

[Anonymous]

that is a myth..

there is NO such think as inteligent racists...

becuase honestly if you think your race/ nacionality whatever is superior then you are really stupid my friend..

[mentalbunny]

I never really had much contact with Blackshirt, maybe he could have been allowed on a bit longer so I could have seen what he was like.

But on the other hand, it's pointless arguing with a racist, you go over the same ground the whole time, the same things get brought up time and time again and it's really pointless because we don't learn anything and they don't learn anything.

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 6:16 pm on Mar. 15, 2003
SN/OF/CBS was banned because no one at this forum was intelligent enough to hold an argument against him.



Yes, SN was banned because he was just too smart... you on the other hand where not banned because your a fool and unable to construct a solid arguement.

Is that what you want to hear???

Personally I don't think your daft enough to believe what you just said there, I mean really. We've had many cappies posting on che-lives throughout the years and very few of them have ever been banned.

Nazi's and racists are a different matter all together. This is a website that generates charges and costs that need to be paid, and Malte, the founder of Che-Lives is not willing to pay for a forum where Nazis and Racists can spill out thier ill-concieved logic.

Go to Stormfront or whatever if you want to talk to those morons, but please don't bring that here. Nazis and racists will be banned and their threads and posts deleated.

[Anonymous]

racists only know one language... VIOLENCE

and in that case im willing to discuss with them in theyr own language ;)

[Moskitto]

the only intelligent pro-white person i've met in Anarch, he just said that he didn't care about other races where as the other fools were just going "white power! death to jews and niggers!"

[CruelVerdad]

personally i dont discriminate anyone, i´m opened minded to all point of views.

[Ghost Writer]

One of you said that SN made racist posts. Could you please refer to me to which posts of his exactly were racist? Not that I doubt your accusation, this is purely for self-assurance, seeing as he was probobly the only cappie I had a shred of respect for.

Good to see that someone would question this libelous accusation. Let me give you the real story, Charlie.

When somebody asked the question, “are the French cowards”, I responded that they were. To support my conclusion, I offered up evidence of Nazi collaboration and their general anti-semitic behavior in the past. This is where AK47’s accusation stems from. Furthermore, I have been highly critical of them, jumping on any chance to disgrace their country, based solely on their opposition to my nation’s position right now. That does not make me a racist. The claim that French bashing is racist, is as stupid as stating that American bashing is racist. However, I would venture to guess those who are trying to label me a such offer no criticism to those who attack the integrity of my country or the people in it. Once again they expose their hypocrisy. Evidently, they try to use the racist brand to silence those they disagree with. In this case, their argument is extremely weak.

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...c=1469&start=80 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1469&start=80)

After getting into the above heated argument, I posted more examples of French Racism, and got into a deeper argument about Nazi Germany. If you notice, I am not the one defending Nazi behavior in this thread. I believe it is someone who has called me a racist for the purpose of silencing me. Funny, how they claim cultural relativism with regards to the Nazis, but I can’t call the French for the yellow bastards they appear to be.

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...m=22&topic=1486 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1486)

Finally, I offer a description of the race background of France to counter the argument that I was attacking them based on race. Obviously, I have a problem with their foreign policy and past anti-semitism, not any one race that exists within their borders. Also funny is the fact that most of the people attacking the United States claim to hate our foreign policy. Why is it okay for them to bash Americans based on foreign policy, yet when someone like me does it, it is called racism. See the double standard. Again further evidence of the hypocrisy emanating from the left, typical.

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...c=1671&start=20 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1671&start=20)

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 10:48 am on Mar. 18, 2003)

[Hodgo]

When somebody asked the question, “are the French cowards”, I responded that they were. To support my conclusion, I offered up evidence of Nazi collaboration and their general anti-semitic behavior in the past. This is where AK47’s accusation stems from.

Yeah, right. Nevermind all the French geurilla groups dedicated to fighting the Nazis. Nevermind the fact that Vichi was a dictator hand-picked by the Nazis, as opposed to an original, powerful member of the French state who collaborated. Nevermind the fact that France was the first European country to ever grant citizenship to Jews. Nevermind the accounts of villages that helped save Jews, like the Le Chambon-sur-Lignon and its neighboring villages, which provided safe havens for over 5,000 Jews. Nevermind all this, the French are all cowards and anti-semites.

[Ghost Writer]

Clearly, you did not read the original posts that I supplied.

[canikickit]

That does not make me a racist. The claim that French bashing is racist, is as stupid as stating that American bashing is racist. However, I would venture to guess those who are trying to label me a such offer no criticism to those who attack the integrity of my country or the people in it.

I have shown you on two seperate occassions why sweeping negative generalisations about nations constitutes racism. Both times you ignored me.

I offer criticisms of people who negatively generalise the people of the United States. That criticism is also directed at myself; I am not above reproach.

I remember once reading a long post of your where you criticised Europeans for generalising people from the US. It was quite entertaining to see you contradict yourself in such a blatant fashion. You bashed all Europeans for bashing all Americans.

You are rude. That is why you were banned.

[Ghost Writer]

You are rude. That is why you were banned.

So are you. Why haven't you been banned?