Denying freedom - to the anti-war movement

[Liberty Lover]

It is amazing that so many people who enjoy the freedoms brought about by conflicts of the past are fully prepared to deny liberty to those who are subjected to horrific tyranny. Those who say no to conflict to end cruel dictatorships like Saddam’s should go live under oppression to see what it is really like for the common people. The protestors refuse to acknowledge that freedom is hard to win and hard to maintain. A few must sometimes suffer for the good of the many.

[abstractmentality]

LL: i will take the liberty to say that most of the people out there protesting for peace only think that peace can come about when justice has as well; without justice, peace is nonexistent. i am pro-peace and pro-justice. i would like just as much as another for Saddam to be replaced, but the method of which to do it is where we differ. your method would include killing countless innocent people by a foreign army that is most likely going to simply replace Saddam with an equally brutal dictator. that is not justice in my eyes, nor should it be in yours.

[Liberty Lover]

One of the 300 Australian-Iraqi's that demonstrated today in Sydney in support of the forced removal of Saddam spoke these words: "War is bad...Saddam is worse."

As for your believe that Saddam will be replaced by another brutal dictator...I cannot prove you wrong, but time will.

[Commie Bitch Slapper]

most of the people out there protesting for peace only think that peace can come about when justice has as well; without justice

Most of the people protesting for peace are protesting for communism, the most violent and oppressive form of government imaginable. Did you know that Saddam Hussein is a socialist (http://abcnews.go.com/reference/bios/shussein.html)? The Baath Party is a socialist party. We should have known we would have to defeat him later, based on this alone. However, the desire for retribution, with respect to Iran, caused us to step out of character and act opposite to the norm at that time.

Some of the worst scumbags imaginable have been socialists. No wonder you guys are so quick to defend the man. No wonder he allowed a British socialist to interview him. No wonder the Workers World Party is funding antiwar protests (http://www.workers.org/ww/2002/protests1017.php). No wonder France, Germany, China, and Russia are defending him. No wonder the democrats are attacking the president first and aligning themselves with these anti-American forces. You socialists are too transparent.

[Cassius Clay]

''Did you know that Saddam Hussein is a socialist?''

No I didn't, I'm sure though that just about everybody on this board is amazed to find that out. I mean the U$A backed a hardcore 'Socialist' during the Cold War, well the things you learn.

That article can come up with claims that the Bath Party was 'Socialist' all it want's but that doesn't change the fact that Iraq today is a Capitalist society, with a prosperous middle class and a oppressed working class.

And what the hell do Russia, Germany, France have to do with anything about 'Socialists'? Today they are all currently Capitalist regimes. Wake up from your Republican wet dream and look at reality.

He also allowed a American broadcaster to interview him who I gather is nothing of a Socialist, and Tony Benn although I respect him is hardly your radical Marxist.


Back to the orginall point, no one likes Saddam. But you had no problem backing him and selling him the weapons that killed thousands of his own. You just use this card now as a propaganda coup. Like it or not just because he mistreats his own people doesn't make it legal to go to war. When I see the U$ overthrowing corrupt cruel regimes the world over this point may be valid, but right now (and for the last 50 years) the U$ supports them.

Saddam may be horrible but by Arab standards I belief he's one of the more liberal. Women aren't forced to wear the veil, there is a certain religious tolerance for Christians and even Jews during the eighties and if you think the Kurds are mistreated now just wait till the Turks come in.

Stop support for the Saudi's, Egyptians and Isreali's all of whom commit human rights abuses on the same league as Saddam and then talk about taking the moral high ground.

'America has no permanent allies, only permanent interests'.

[Beccie]

Has anyone stopped to think that peace protesters are protesting for PEACE? Many of the peace protesters support neither bush nor saddam they support peace (something that neither leadears care for). If you (liberty lover) feel that dropping bombs in Iraq is going to "liberate" the Iraqi people then your idea of liberty is fucked.

abstractmentality, you have written a wonderful post comrade. I agree with what you have said.

[peaccenicked]

Fuck OFF. Saddam is as much a socialist as Adolf Hitler.
It was only the Socialist movement that was condemning him when he was making his worse atrocities against his people, when the US ans UK were backing him. France Germany Russia China are as socialist as the man on the moon, everyone but an extreme right wing moron knows that.
Not only are you a moron but so transparent a moron that you defy incredibility. The world workers party could hardly fund a deposit for an election , that is just piss and everybody on the left knows it.

You warmongering shits should wake up. What gives you the right to liberate any country. The only people who have that right is the Iraq people themselves.
In any case how is carpet bombing a weak nation, whose majority are children, going to liberate them. The Iraqi asylum seekers I have met ask me that?
The US post-war plan is to install an american puppet, and American puppets do have a record of brutality. eg Pinochet, but also to leave the Baath structure largely in tact.
The CIA stopped transmitting Radio ''Free Iraq'' which was an organ of the Iraqi National congress, itself a CIA creation.
Get with the program, live in reality,

[Commie Bitch Slapper]

"The Baath Party -- which Saddam joined in 1957, when he was 20, and to which he has remained loyal throughout his life -- grew in popularity and influence during the early Republican period. Founded by two Syrians in the early 1940s, the Baathist ideology combines elements of Arab nationalism, anti-imperialism and socialism. Its slogan is "Unity, Freedom, Socialism" -- unity among Arabs, freedom from Western imperialism and socialism of a different style than the economic system Marx envisioned. Rather, in the case of Syria and Iraq -- the two countries dominated by Baathism over recent decades -- it has meant absolute dictatorship."

Again the socialists try to distance themselves from the results of their theory by saying dictatorship goes against what Marxism. I disagree. As we have seen, time and time again, socialism entails a totalitarian regime. Nobody articulated this point better than George Orwell, in his books "1984" and "Animal Farm". It funny how socialists try to claim that the most outspoken critic of socialism was a socialist.

[Blibblob]

YAY!!! *does a dance on the desk* We have another stupid capitalist in our midst... Get lost, or be prepared to be proved wrong, and let us watch you squirm on the floor in humiliation.

I pity the fool who dont know what hes talking about.

Saddam certainly isnt socialist, he may be in a socialist party, but that means shit. If you dont act it, you arent it. George Orwell HATED himself after the book was published and went under vast controversy. The world didnt understand; far too ignorant, he should have seen that in the first place. Orwell even had to write a fucking intro stating what the book meant, that it was not a critism of socialism, that it was a critism of the USSR, and thats IT! The USSR was hardly communist, we have said that time and time again. Yet you stupid foolish capitalists never pay attention, and again we have to show your stupidity. Get an intelligent brain, try researching it before you start bashing it in front of people who know what they are talking about.

[Commie Bitch Slapper]

"Muslims account for 97 per cent of Iraq's population, but the ruling Baath Party, which came to power in a 1968 coup, espoused secularism, socialism and Arab nationalism.

Middle East specialist Milton Viorst says that Baathist doctrine placed 'the nation over the mosque, separating the state from religion for all practical purposes'.

Baathism, whose chief ideologue was the Christian Arab Michel Aflaq, did not celebrate Islamic unity but Arab unity. Its real focus was on Iraq the nation."

Sounds pretty socialist to me.

source: The Straits Times (http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/columnist/0,1886,62-167432,00.html)

As for your "peace protestors", chack out this sight:

http://www.flashvoodoo.com/demonstrators/

Great action!

(Edited by Commie ***** Slapper at 1:52 pm on Mar. 15, 2003)

[Cassius Clay]

Sigh, I will once again repeat Iraq is Capitalist and has been for decades just because Arab nationalism clashes with U$ Imperialism doesn't make Iraq Socialist. If Iraq was anything resembling Socialism the U$ sure as hell wouldn't of backed Saddam during the Cold War against the USSR.

[peaccenicked]

Commie ***** Slapper.
Away and boil your head in shite and stay there.

[Commie Bitch Slapper]

Here I have compiled more pictures of the useful idiots.

1.) Anti-peace “peace protestors” threaten violence against veterans

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1180923.html

2.) American anti-war movement not as large as some would like you to believe. Out of 290 million Americans 289 stayed home last Saturday.

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/000601.html

3.) Miscelaneous Morons
http://www.ccmep.org/2002_articles/Iraq/10...res_of_anti.htm (http://www.ccmep.org/2002_articles/Iraq/102702_pictures_of_anti.htm)

4.) Why is it that only the ugly *****es are looking for an excuse to lay naked together. This love in is repulsive and makes me want to vomit. There ought to be a rule stating that wrinkled old hags must keep their clothes on. I think I am going blind. Maybe even peacenicked can find a date.

http://www.baringwitness.org/NoWar.htm

http://www.baringwitness.org/NoWarGroup2.htm

http://www.baringwitness.org/BlackMountain.htm

5.) Keep trying to deny the communist link. What a disgrace to the human race, these people are.

http://www.right-thinking.com/comments.php...p?id=P508_0_1_0 (http://www.right-thinking.com/comments.php?id=P508_0_1_0)

[peaccenicked]

LOL. SN. There is a name for your condition, it is called hysterics.
The form it takes causes hysterical laughter. There is a thing called a psychiatrist. I srongly reccomend you see one.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 2:33 pm on Mar. 15, 2003)

[Commie Bitch Slapper]

Hysterics? No, using the war as an excuse for homosexual behavior is what I call hysterical. An pacifist group that threatens violence is what I call funny. The true face of the so called "peace protestors" is what I call scary. You are aligning yourselves with hesbola and all the other anti-semitic groups throughout Europe and the Middle East is what I call frightening. The rise of Nazism under a new form is reason for concern.

[peaccenicked]

LOL. That is just mindless drivel that has got nothing to do with me and my life.
You can only be talking to yourself perhaps you are delusional.
It maybe you are in some sort of denial that you need help. I cant help you any further.
It is becoming obvious that you are quite a lonely disturbed person who cant make contact with another human being but you can only go to your sworn ideological enemy to comfort your anger. It is all you have left because you have lost your senses completely.
Try and think about your health, and what you are doing to it by not admitting to yourself that you have lost control.

[Mazdak]

Cassius, although i disagree with CBS, i will play devil's advocate and say the US has supported certain leftist regimes (ie, Pol Pot). However Iraq is obviously not socialist.

[Charlie]

Quote: from Commie ***** Slapper on 2:00 pm on Mar. 15, 2003
Here I have compiled more pictures of the useful idiots.


2.) American anti-war movement not as large as some would like you to believe. Out of 290 million Americans 289 stayed home last Saturday.

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/000601.html



Ok, there are so many holes in that I really can't begin. First of all, how exactly do you gauge people avoiding a peace rallie? Just count people on every street there isn't a protest on? Everyone working not out at a rally? And everybody who wasn't at one is automatically supporting the Iraq war? wow, thats a awful lot of sh1t to swallow in one serving.

And what are the sources on this? www.ScrappleFace.com? Scott Ott? Gee, i thought Scott Ott was a hack writer and a independant news editor, not the authority on the American war position. The idea of independant news is that it is presented through a bias, even if the slogan is "News farily unbalanced, we report, you dechiper". Past heavily right wing biased articles cst doubt on Scott stripping him of whatever credablity a indepentant editorial has to begin with. And don't give me any "He's totally unbaised!" crap because he freely admits he is.

[Tkinter1]

"your method would include killing countless innocent people by a foreign army that is most likely going to simply replace Saddam with an equally brutal dictator."

Yeah, thats the battle plan. You know what you're talking about.

[Pete]

Norman. Shut up. Grow up. You give the most baised sources you can find. Find me something from a left source that says Saddam is socialist. You won't because we understand our own ideology better then you can. You refuse to think that what you are told by Mr. Murdoch and that other Media Baron as truth regardless how many spin doctors ahve been working on it. You have been banned 3 times. Ask yourself why.

[antieverything]

Is nobody going to point out the fact that both the CIA and State Department have warned that the administration's plans for a new regime in Iraq could possibly result in civil war because the people in the new government would have no popular support!? I go into detail on the subject in my IL article for this month...I don't know when it will come out, though.

[Zombie]

The rise of Nazism under a new form is reason for concern.
u must be talking about the Israeli state there boy.
since u like giving links from sites such as www.scrappleface.com , check these out fuckface

http://free.freespeech.org/americanstatete...rismPhotos.html (http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/palestine/IsraeliTerrorismPhotos.html)
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstatete...error.html#Iraq (http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/ChronologyofTerror.html#Iraq)

I personnally don't consider the Ba'ath party to be truly socialist, since it was strongly supported by a capitalist country in order to get to power. isn't socialism=anticapitalism? so how can the legitimacy of the ba'ath party as a true socialist party be taken seriously since it gladly used capitalist america's aid? enlighten me if u can.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/from_our...ent/2694885.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/from_our_own_correspondent/2694885.stm)


“We’re dealing with Hitler revisited." GB Sr
must have been talking bout his rightful heir... i mean son.



(Edited by Zombie at 5:04 pm on Mar. 15, 2003)


(Edited by Zombie at 5:07 pm on Mar. 15, 2003)

[Ian]

Liberty Lover: Why must you lie through your teeth? I went and saw that protest, there were 50 pro-war iraqis (not 300), the 300 people protest at the place were anti-war iraqis. Get your facts right, you cannot lie to people who were actually there (in Auburn, Sydney)

[antieverything]

OOOH Damn...looks like you're busted LL!

I'd just like to point out that when GB said the stuff about "Hitler revisited" he was refering to attrocities made up by an advertising agency hired by the Kuwaiti government! Isn't that funny?

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from Ian Rocks on 9:37 pm on Mar. 15, 2003
Liberty Lover: Why must you lie through your teeth? I went and saw that protest, there were 50 pro-war iraqis (not 300), the 300 people protest at the place were anti-war iraqis. Get your facts right, you cannot lie to people who were actually there (in Auburn, Sydney)


I didn't 'lie' as such. I just made an exaggerated estimate. You however did lie. There was ONE anti-war Iraqi. The other protestors were white...so unless they painted themselves they were not Iraqi's.

[Saint-Just]

Liberty Lover, you may say the Iraqi people are oppressed and so forth. However, it is the belief if I and many others that this is not the reason the U.S. is going to war. Iraq has been under Saddam Hussein for over 20 years. Many countries have been under equally or more brutal regimes, America have created many of these regimes. What I am saying, primarily is that people do not believe the U.S. is going to war to 'liberate' Iraq, so you cannot use that argument that left-wingers are denying Iraqi liberation, you cannot use it particularly effictively. Obviously I know you disagree with the views that the war is not about 'democratising' the country.

[Liberty Lover]

CM,
They may not be going to liberate Iraq...but that's what will happen.

[Yankee]

The sole purpose of the War with Iraq would be to eliminate terrorist cells and remove saddam from power. Whether you are opposed to the war or not you cannot deny the rights of the Iraqi people to be liberated from the rule of saddam. If America doesn't liberate them, who will?

[peaccenicked]

The Iraqi people.

[Zombie]

Quote: from Yankee on 10:15 pm on Mar. 15, 2003
The sole purpose of the War with Iraq would be to eliminate terrorist cells and remove saddam from power. Whether you are opposed to the war or not you cannot deny the rights of the Iraqi people to be liberated from the rule of saddam. If America doesn't liberate them, who will?


Bush's one and only rightful almighty GOD mwhahahahaha [/sarcasm]

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 3:28 am on Mar. 16, 2003
The Iraqi people.


That would involve a civil war lasting for years

[Pete]

Give the 'iraqis' self determination and their will be new nations and peace.

[peaccenicked]

A civil war is better than this.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/a...article2108.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2108.htm)

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 3:36 am on Mar. 16, 2003
Give the 'iraqis' self determination and their will be new nations and peace.


That's the plan

[peaccenicked]

No that is the propaganda. The plain fact is that the US wants to control all of Iraqi's oil. How can you have self determination when your only major asset is in foriegn hands.

[abstractmentality]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 10:31 am on Mar. 15, 2003
"your method would include killing countless innocent people by a foreign army that is most likely going to simply replace Saddam with an equally brutal dictator."

Yeah, thats the battle plan. You know what you're talking about.

ok, the killing of countless innocent civilians is a given, even the "right" on this board admit to the killing of countless civilians. if you dont believe it will happen, just look to desert storm and what we did in Panama.

as far as installing another dictator, i highly doubt that we will let Iraq have true democracy. i have written in 2 other places on this board about why, so i wont go into it right now.

[Ian]

Liberty Lover: Gee, 1 person anti-war? I wonder why there were so many people carrying signs that said "Do Not kill my Family", "Bush=Criminal" in Arabic and English... I must need glasses, It's pretty hard to see this thing through American eye's eh?

Somebody's been lying Liberty Lover! You can't continue this lie mate, just stop trying. (Myself and 2 friends were the only 'white' people there and we were being approached constantly and thanked because of our support for the Iraqi population and our anti-war position)

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from Ian Rocks on 4:34 am on Mar. 16, 2003
Liberty Lover: Gee, 1 person anti-war? I wonder why there were so many people carrying signs that said "Do Not kill my Family", "Bush=Criminal" in Arabic and English... I must need glasses, It's pretty hard to see this thing through American eye's eh?

Somebody's been lying Liberty Lover! You can't continue this lie mate, just stop trying. (Myself and 2 friends were the only 'white' people there and we were being approached constantly and thanked because of our support for the Iraqi population and our anti-war position)

Bullshit

[Ian]

Your conclusive arguement has made me reconsider my position on whether I was actually present at the protest, it has also prompted me to renounce socialism

By the way Liberty Lover, your rebuttal was brilliant :P

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from Ian Rocks on 4:46 am on Mar. 16, 2003
Your conclusive arguement has made me reconsider my position on whether I was actually present at the protest, it has also prompted me to renounce socialism

By the way Liberty Lover, your rebuttal was brilliant :P

This morning I slayed three dragons, nine trolls and twenty seven orcs. After which I had a cup of tea with God and a smoke with Jesus. PROVE ME WRONG!!!

[peaccenicked]

*yawn*

[Zombie]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 11:53 pm on Mar. 15, 2003

This morning I slayed three dragons, nine trolls and twenty seven orcs. After which I had a cup of tea with God and a smoke with Jesus. PROVE ME WRONG!!!


tea with God? i though u were agnostic...

[Ian]

I can't, You made the claim, you have to back it up, just like America claiming Iraq poses an immediate threat, they make the claim and they have to back it up!

[Liberty Lover]

Back up your claim 300 Iraqi's marched for peace in Auburn.

[Ian]

I will when I can, but for now, you have to take my word don't you?

[sc4r]

If anything ever demonstrates the immorality of the committed right it is this type of basic dishonesty.

I've seen on other boards from other right wingers identical claims about the london march and the real truth is the same as in Sydney. A different right winger claimed that there were no Iraqi's on the London march (surprise , surprise neither of them challenged the other ones position though, as long as it might lead to the same result they were both quite happy).

I've seen right wingers post links which they say prove that Iraq's support the war which actually contain explicit statements that they do not.

In short the right actually does not care one way or the other about truth. They will say and print anything if it gets them what they want.

Sadam claims to be a socialist. This is isnt so surprising either, he is a Facist, the worst of the right, and he also will say anything which gets him what he want.

[antieverything]

The American government HAS NO PLANS TO INSTALL DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ. The plan is to install a group of ex-political elites, royalists, exilees, etc. with no base of support. Both the CIA and State Department have stated that the plan for post war Iraq could quite possibly trigger a civil war.

[Sirion]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 4:53 am on Mar. 16, 2003This morning I slayed three dragons, nine trolls and twenty seven orcs. After which I had a cup of tea with God and a smoke with Jesus. PROVE ME WRONG!!!


This don't HAVE to be wrong... It may be that LL just happens to like playing overpowered Dungeons & Dragons.

[antieverything]

Yeah, man...you need to drop the DnD thing. That's for wankers, real men play less archaic RPGs. ;)

[notyetacommie]

CBS:An pacifist group that threatens violence is what I call funny. The true face of the so called "peace protestors" is what I call scary.


Being Anti-war and using violence is not only possible, but necessary sometimes. The reason for this war, as well as vast majority of other wars, is imperialism, i.e. proclaiming by one nation leaders thatthis is "chosen by God" or "has the right" to dominate the world. You fight imperialism, and, consequently, capitalism (where people are not equal, which actually violates the AMERICAN most valued document- Bill of Rights), you win, you have no war in the world where all the nations are equal in their rights.
The reason for so many people walking out to the streets to say they are against this war, is that they understand that keeping on like this,
the world will explode. Using violence by demonstrators is nothing compared to what you- we all- will get if the gap between the living standards of people in the "third world" and in the "civilized" countries in the West.
It is a good thing everything American will be destroyed, because this world is sick of US imposing everything it views as "American", starting from McDonald's and Britney Spears to the kind of dictatorship of the rich you accidentally call "democracy" on other countries.
Please check this out:http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm

This may give you a hint why the world is so anti-American these days.
"Democracy" American style is only beneficial to a minority of US citizens,which you may be, judging by your posts, and a real curse to the rest of the world, including the majority of US citizens. That's what it all is about.

A bunch of oil tycoons cannot possibly defend the interests of the people once invaded by them, located in the other hemisphere, of a very different cultural and social background. A bunch of oil tycoons will defend the interest of--precisely, of the bunch of oil tycoons. Are you an oil tycoon? If not, why would you stand by this murderers?
What kind of democracy are you going to teach the Iraqi about? How to elect a President who is a son of a former President and who got to presidency over mischief in the state where his brother is a governor? And who has another brother elected governor? Is this your democracy and "everything American" that you would like to keep in this world and keep on spreading?

If you are so worried about the WMD proliferation, why haven't you started destroying your own WMD? Why are you violating the non-proliferation agreement that you signed with the USSR in the 70s? Why did you sell them to Iraq in the first place? Why do you support terrorists that you later have to fight?
Are you going to invade other nations possessing WMD that used to be your allies after you are done with Iraq?
Or those who created them as their answer to Hiroshima (I mean the former USSR countries)? Are you REALLY so great and brave to demand that a nation disarms only to murder hundreds of thousands armless people?
There are a lot of questions to you.
The people of the world already know the answers to most of them. These answers don't give you a credit.
YOU ARE DANGEROUS!
YOUR CRIMINAL STATE NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED... OR REORGANIZED!
I suggest that UN Security Counsil start discussing the "pre-emtive assalts" against the major threat to the world-USA. Maybe then you will reconsider your position on the issues I described above.
Or start to feel the way the Iraq civilians feel now.

[Ghost Writer]

"where people are not equal, which actually violates the AMERICAN most valued document- Bill of Rights"

What the f*ck are you talking about, communist? Please show me where this is stated in the Bill of Rights. Have you read the Bill of Rights? As for the rest of your post, complete garbage, not deserving further comment. Perhaps you should get some kind of an education, before you proceed to talk about things you can not begin to understand.

[Ghost Writer]

Here, I will make it easier for you to point it out for me. Nope. Not in there. Jeez!

The Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.