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14th March 2003, 15:44
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What if Stalin NEVER became dictator of the USSR ?
Mike Reid
I have wondered what would happen if Stalin had never been able to become dictator of the USSR.
Say if Stalin died in one of the Tsar's prisons prior to the Russian Revolution? How differently would world history have turned out?
My very speculative timeline:
1924 - after the death of Lenin, Leon Trotsky becomes General Secretary of the Soviet Communist Party.
Late 1920s - Trotsky, attempting to further his aim of a world revolution, backs subversive communist groups throughout the world far more than Stalin does in OTL.
1930 - The Great Depression has affected the world significantly. With 30% of the German labour force unemployed, the KPD attempts to seize power and make Germany a communist state. The revolt is unsuccessful. The Nazis gain much popular support for mobilizing SA and SS troops to help the regular army defeat the communists.
1931 - Hitler becomes leader of a right-wing German coalitiong overnment.
1932- Attempts at communist revolution in France take place. The result is that right-wing parties form a coalition government which is allied to Germany.
1933- Chinese civil war starts. USSR sends lots of aid to the communists under Mao. USA aids Chaing. Japan takes the chance to seize large parts of eastern China.
1933-35 Hitler purges the non-Nazi elements in his administration and makes himself Fuhrer.
Britain's mainly-Conservative government under Baldwin (later Chamberlain) allies with France and Germany to form a "Three-power European anti-communist Axis".
1936- Spanish civil war breaks out. Trotsky sends lots of military aid. Communists purge non-communists from the Republican forces. France, Britain and Germany back Franco to stop communism spreading.
1937- USSR invades China to help Mao and to get more territory for itself. Chaing's poorly-motivated forces start to lose.
1938- Japan declares war on USSR after Soviet troops invade recently-conquered Japanese territory in eastern China. Mao becomes Chinese dictator. Chaing flees to US.
1939- Attempts to encourage a communist coup in Poland fail. Then, Trotsky orders Soviet troops to invade. Britain, France and Germany declare war on USSR. The Soviet army is stronger and more tactically-skilled than it is in OTL because purges haven't lobotomized the army.
1940- Covert Soviet operations encourage a pro-independence revolt in India. Mao sends Chinese troops into Indian territory to aid pro-independence forces. Britain, France and Germany declare war on China.
1941- The Soviets sink many US vessels delivering equipment to Britain under the Lend-Lease Act. USA declares war on USSR and China. China invades Vietnam and Cambodia (French colonies).
1942- Most of north and central India is now under the control of a pro-communist puppet government with the USSR and China pulling the strings. The British still occupy portions of the south. With US equipment, the Soviets are being pushed by German and French forces back towards Moscow.
1943- Suffering defeats against Japan, the USSR and China decide to make piece with the Imperial Japanese forces. A Sino-Japanese treaty gives the eastern coastline of China (plus Manchuria) and the Chinese-occupied portions of Vietnam and Cambodia to Japan as colonies. The Soviets sign a peace treaty with the Japanese too.
1944- With the huge industrial superiority of the anti-Soviet forces, the USSR suffers huge defeats in the West. Moscow and Leningrad fall. The US test-detonates an atomic device.
1945- Nuclear devices fall on Beijing and Volgagrad(?) (Stalingrad in OTL) (new Soviet capital). It is clear to the USSR and China (plus their Indian puppet ally) that they can't win. However, controlling about 1/3 of the world's land area, the communists refuse to surrender.
1945-9 Over the next four years, millions of British, French, German and American troops die trying to conquer the USSR, China and independent India. The Allies have said they will accept nothing less than total surrender. Trotsky and Mao have refused to give in. Further elementary nuclear devices are dropped on Chinese, Russian and Indian towns and cities. However, the British, French, Germans and Americans have to send their own soldiers into the nuclearly-contaminated areas in order to expel the surviving communist troops from there and to maintain law and order.
late 1949- A palace coup topples Trotsky. The new administration, led by Nikita Khruschev, signs a humiliating peace treaty. The USSR is broken up into about a dozen or so states as Ukraine, Latvia, Kazachstan etc all get their independence. A devastated and shrunken Russia (much smaller than modern Russia in OTL) is what is left for Khruschev to rule over.
1950- Mao's regime finally falls. Huge famines, which have killed tens of millions of Chinese peasants lead them to desperation. They revolt against Mao's regime and it finally falls. Chaing returns to govern China.
1951- Adolf Hitler, German dictator and ally of the UK, France and Britain, dies a natural death having managed to gain most of Poland and Czechoslovakia, as well as Austria in a post-war Treaty of Washington which sets the new world boundaries. His state funeral is an international event. British prime minister Anthony Eden and US president Truman are among the prominent mourners. Only in the 1970s, do historians discover the reality behind the Nazi regime which killed over two million Jews and left-wing activists in the 1930s, 40s and 50s.
What if Stalin NEVER became dictator of the USSR ?
Mike Reid
I have wondered what would happen if Stalin had never been able to become dictator of the USSR.
Say if Stalin died in one of the Tsar's prisons prior to the Russian Revolution? How differently would world history have turned out?
My very speculative timeline:
1924 - after the death of Lenin, Leon Trotsky becomes General Secretary of the Soviet Communist Party.
Late 1920s - Trotsky, attempting to further his aim of a world revolution, backs subversive communist groups throughout the world far more than Stalin does in OTL.
1930 - The Great Depression has affected the world significantly. With 30% of the German labour force unemployed, the KPD attempts to seize power and make Germany a communist state. The revolt is unsuccessful. The Nazis gain much popular support for mobilizing SA and SS troops to help the regular army defeat the communists.
1931 - Hitler becomes leader of a right-wing German coalitiong overnment.
1932- Attempts at communist revolution in France take place. The result is that right-wing parties form a coalition government which is allied to Germany.
1933- Chinese civil war starts. USSR sends lots of aid to the communists under Mao. USA aids Chaing. Japan takes the chance to seize large parts of eastern China.
1933-35 Hitler purges the non-Nazi elements in his administration and makes himself Fuhrer.
Britain's mainly-Conservative government under Baldwin (later Chamberlain) allies with France and Germany to form a "Three-power European anti-communist Axis".
1936- Spanish civil war breaks out. Trotsky sends lots of military aid. Communists purge non-communists from the Republican forces. France, Britain and Germany back Franco to stop communism spreading.
1937- USSR invades China to help Mao and to get more territory for itself. Chaing's poorly-motivated forces start to lose.
1938- Japan declares war on USSR after Soviet troops invade recently-conquered Japanese territory in eastern China. Mao becomes Chinese dictator. Chaing flees to US.
1939- Attempts to encourage a communist coup in Poland fail. Then, Trotsky orders Soviet troops to invade. Britain, France and Germany declare war on USSR. The Soviet army is stronger and more tactically-skilled than it is in OTL because purges haven't lobotomized the army.
1940- Covert Soviet operations encourage a pro-independence revolt in India. Mao sends Chinese troops into Indian territory to aid pro-independence forces. Britain, France and Germany declare war on China.
1941- The Soviets sink many US vessels delivering equipment to Britain under the Lend-Lease Act. USA declares war on USSR and China. China invades Vietnam and Cambodia (French colonies).
1942- Most of north and central India is now under the control of a pro-communist puppet government with the USSR and China pulling the strings. The British still occupy portions of the south. With US equipment, the Soviets are being pushed by German and French forces back towards Moscow.
1943- Suffering defeats against Japan, the USSR and China decide to make piece with the Imperial Japanese forces. A Sino-Japanese treaty gives the eastern coastline of China (plus Manchuria) and the Chinese-occupied portions of Vietnam and Cambodia to Japan as colonies. The Soviets sign a peace treaty with the Japanese too.
1944- With the huge industrial superiority of the anti-Soviet forces, the USSR suffers huge defeats in the West. Moscow and Leningrad fall. The US test-detonates an atomic device.
1945- Nuclear devices fall on Beijing and Volgagrad(?) (Stalingrad in OTL) (new Soviet capital). It is clear to the USSR and China (plus their Indian puppet ally) that they can't win. However, controlling about 1/3 of the world's land area, the communists refuse to surrender.
1945-9 Over the next four years, millions of British, French, German and American troops die trying to conquer the USSR, China and independent India. The Allies have said they will accept nothing less than total surrender. Trotsky and Mao have refused to give in. Further elementary nuclear devices are dropped on Chinese, Russian and Indian towns and cities. However, the British, French, Germans and Americans have to send their own soldiers into the nuclearly-contaminated areas in order to expel the surviving communist troops from there and to maintain law and order.
late 1949- A palace coup topples Trotsky. The new administration, led by Nikita Khruschev, signs a humiliating peace treaty. The USSR is broken up into about a dozen or so states as Ukraine, Latvia, Kazachstan etc all get their independence. A devastated and shrunken Russia (much smaller than modern Russia in OTL) is what is left for Khruschev to rule over.
1950- Mao's regime finally falls. Huge famines, which have killed tens of millions of Chinese peasants lead them to desperation. They revolt against Mao's regime and it finally falls. Chaing returns to govern China.
1951- Adolf Hitler, German dictator and ally of the UK, France and Britain, dies a natural death having managed to gain most of Poland and Czechoslovakia, as well as Austria in a post-war Treaty of Washington which sets the new world boundaries. His state funeral is an international event. British prime minister Anthony Eden and US president Truman are among the prominent mourners. Only in the 1970s, do historians discover the reality behind the Nazi regime which killed over two million Jews and left-wing activists in the 1930s, 40s and 50s.