When anti fascistic action goes wrong

[EvigLidelse]

A few months ago some of my friends organized a music festival in town. I worked under them. The first night one of the organizers and one of my friends got attacked by three guys in black hoodies. They we're just on the way home on their bikes, the organizer got two glass bottles smashed against his head while the other guy just got pushed down from his bike. The guy had to go to hospital and do a few stitches along with a lot of rest.

It later revealed that these guys that attacked were AFA. Why did they attack? They had heard rumors that the organizers of this festival were nazis. The guys that were attacked wore boots, leather, punkish style clothes etc. Both of them are radical left wingers, animal rights activists and not even close to nazis.

Are these types of prejudices acceptable within anti fascistic groups? It's very common that people get bet down just because they wear boots.
How would you defend these common idiotic events?

[Dr Mindbender]

A few months ago some of my friends organized a music festival in town. I worked under them. The first night one of the organizers and one of my friends got attacked by three guys in black hoodies. They we're just on the way home on their bikes, the organizer got two glass bottles smashed against his head while the other guy just got pushed down from his bike. The guy had to go to hospital and do a few stitches along with a lot of rest.

It later revealed that these guys that attacked were AFA. Why did they attack? They had heard rumors that the organizers of this festival were nazis. The guys that were attacked wore boots, leather, punkish style clothes etc. Both of them are radical left wingers, animal rights activists and not even close to nazis.

Are these types of prejudices acceptable within anti fascistic groups? It's very common that people get bet down just because they wear boots.
How would you defend these common idiotic events?

if these people who were attacked werent nazis, then it is indeed a shame but you cant tar the entire anti fascist movement with the actions of a few over zealous youths. There is a lot of legitimate grassroots work involved, its not all boots and fists.

In my experience, most anti fascist activists reach their conclusions politically, not aesthetically.

Nice bujinkan avatar by the way, are you a practising member? Stop by the SD&MA group forum if you have a moment.

;)

[communard resolution]

A few months ago some of my friends organized a music festival in town. I worked under them. The first night one of the organizers and one of my friends got attacked by three guys in black hoodies. They we're just on the way home on their bikes, the organizer got two glass bottles smashed against his head while the other guy just got pushed down from his bike. The guy had to go to hospital and do a few stitches along with a lot of rest.

It later revealed that these guys that attacked were AFA. Why did they attack? They had heard rumors that the organizers of this festival were nazis. The guys that were attacked wore boots, leather, punkish style clothes etc. Both of them are radical left wingers, animal rights activists and not even close to nazis.

Are these types of prejudices acceptable within anti fascistic groups? It's very common that people get bet down just because they wear boots.
How would you defend these common idiotic events?

This is very hard to believe. How did it turn out they were AFA?

Did the organizers have any dodgy Oi bands in the Perkele vein playing there? Some AFA tend to overreact when it comes to bands like that.

[AutomaticMan]

A few months ago some of my friends organized a music festival in town. I worked under them. The first night one of the organizers and one of my friends got attacked by three guys in black hoodies. They we're just on the way home on their bikes, the organizer got two glass bottles smashed against his head while the other guy just got pushed down from his bike. The guy had to go to hospital and do a few stitches along with a lot of rest.

It later revealed that these guys that attacked were AFA. Why did they attack? They had heard rumors that the organizers of this festival were nazis. The guys that were attacked wore boots, leather, punkish style clothes etc. Both of them are radical left wingers, animal rights activists and not even close to nazis.

What? ;)


Are these types of prejudices acceptable within anti fascistic groups? It's very common that people get bet down just because they wear boots.
How would you defend these common idiotic events?

I don't really know if stuff like that is common (I'm not active with any anti-fash groups), but I think, clearly, no serious anti-fascist would accept any kind of prejudice.

[Holden Caulfield]

Are these types of prejudices acceptable within anti fascistic groups? It's very common that people get bet down just because they wear boots.
How would you defend these common idiotic events?
not in my expericence, a large majority of antifascists in this country are punks/skins themselves,

and antif-fascists are not prejudice that is why they are anti-fascists in the first place, if they were they would probably get their arsed kicked by their 'comrades'

[ships-cat]

He he he he ... oh what a tortured web we weave, when we practice ourselves to deceive.

"Anti fascists are not prejudice, that is why they are anti-fascists"

They are not prejudice, but they are dedicated to physically confronting (translation: violently attacking) anyone they deem to be a 'fascist'.

Duh... people... that is prejudice. It literally means "to pre-judge"... in other words to come to a conclusion about someone without hearing any evidence for/against that individual - just as the three violent thugs where alleged to have done in the OP.

Beware thee that use the techniques of hatred, lest ye become that which ye hate.

Meow Purr :)

[Sasha]

oi, shipcat-troll, fuck off or will have you nutered.

if i "physically confront" :rolleyes: someone i make damn sure i have "evidence for/against that individual"
for example; i would never have a non-verbal political discussion with someone just because the wear boots (hey i used to wear them too) but if i get a bad vibe i will go and check them out and if they also sport nazi-symbols/tattoos/tshirt we are quickly entering in a whole difrent ball game :ninja:

[Holden Caulfield]

to label yourself a 'fascist' makes you a target of antifascists, most antifascists will not attack people on 'suspicion' but will do their homework and only target those who are deserving,

that said it is not prejudice be 'prejudice' against fascists, as the fact they have labelled themselves fascists, or acted in a rascist (etc) changes alot. prejudice is when a fascist/rascist thinks badly of, say, a black person or an immigrant or a homosexual, they think they will be a druggie, a benafits cheat or a paedophile. that is to prejudge somebody.

Whereas fascists are already judged by the fact we know they are fascists and therefore rascist, elitist, sexist, reactionary and vile little parasites on society, the fact they are fascist is the evidence,

seriously ships-cat, fuck off and try to add to the discussion not just piss all over it with your over-simplified pissy liberal sentiments

[Pia Fidelis]

...most antifascists will not attack people on 'suspicion' but will do their homework and only target those who are deserving...

Are you so sure about this?

Not that I am agreeing with Ships Cat's point, I just cannot see this as true.

[Holden Caulfield]

Are you so sure about this?


i haven't asked them all personally but if they have any sense and belong to any sort of group they bloody well should...

[EvigLidelse]

This is very hard to believe. How did it turn out they were AFA?

We first thought of prejudices that they were members of another group, but the victims both claimed that they knew the guys and that they were members of AFA. I was also one of many witnesses of the event.

It just makes sense, two eager kids that just couldn't hold it any longer.



Did the organizers have any dodgy Oi bands in the Perkele vein playing there? Some AFA tend to overreact when it comes to bands like that.

No, it had a bigger connection to the organizers than the bands.

[EvigLidelse]

What? ;)

What I know is that one of them has this weird view that if he buys used leather boots - it doesn't support the animal industry or something like that. Both of them had boots before they changed opinions as well. Not really sure why.



I don't really know if stuff like that is common (I'm not active with any anti-fash groups), but I think, clearly, no serious anti-fascist would accept any kind of prejudice.

I don't think that there is any serious anti-fascist group yet, at least not what I've heard of.

[aty]

Stop lying, were in Sweden did this take place?

[Fawkes]

Are these types of prejudices acceptable within anti fascistic groups? It's very common that people get bet down just because they wear boots.
How would you defend these common idiotic events?

I find that hard to believe, but maybe it's different in Sweden. Here in the U.S., Anti-Racist Action was actually started by skinheads, and skinheads play a major role in Antifa actions everywhere. There are even groups like SHARP and RASH of anti-fascist and left-wing skinheads, though I am not a huge fan of either of those groups.

[aty]

I find that hard to believe, but maybe it's different in Sweden. Here in the U.S., Anti-Racist Action was actually started by skinheads, and skinheads play a major role in Antifa actions everywhere. There are even groups like SHARP and RASH of anti-fascist and left-wing skinheads, though I am not a huge fan of either of those groups.
There has been a organisation that call themselves "Antifascist Skinheads" in Sweden...

The fascists in Sweden always start these threads on the Swedish forums. It is always someone who had a shaved head and were attacked by AFA, they "just know that it was AFA"....

[Holden Caulfield]

The fascists in Sweden always start these threads on the Swedish forums. It is always someone who had a shaved head and were attacked by AFA, they "just know that it was AFA"....
i was also getting a bit bored of this thread...

any objections to me closing it can be PMed to me and i can re-open it if you realmy really miss it

[Holden Caulfield]

re-opened (for the time being) so the OP can defend himself some more,

[EvigLidelse]

Just to clear some things up, I'm currently discussing this at the moment to see how reliable the rumors are. I'm not trolling, nor lying, and I witnessed this by myself - but I WAS NOT one of them that identified them as AFA.

Try to keep the discussion on a mature level from now on, point out my prejudices and the not likely rumors, do whatever you want, but I'm serious. I'm not just some fascist trying to score opinions, I'm here to discuss!

The prejudices are flowing in the AFA-Nazi/fascist war, so I wouldn't be surprised if I had some myself. Then you could at least make this as learning for me as possible so I wont make the mistake again, and be more critical.

[Jazzratt]

Moved to OI so EvigLidelse can reply.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

People who look forward to smashing glass onto anyone's head are ignorant in their own rights.

[EvigLidelse]

People who look forward to smashing glass onto anyone's head are ignorant in their own rights.

Explain?

[danyboy27]

Explain?


he actually think you and your buddies are fascist.

the fact you are fascist or not dosnt really matter, its a typical leftist tactic:
they cannot be wrong! if you are not fascist they gonna argues that those persons who have beaten you up where not communist or that the people who did it are lunatics absolutly not linked to any communist organization.

[Sentinel]

Split a load of spam to the trash, let's keep the threads on topic, and use the Reactionary Chatter -sticky for the jokes, pictures and non-serious contributions, ok?