Leftist DO NOT Support Saddam Hussien - A friendly reminder

[Pete]

Just to clear any confusion, when the topic is American Imperialism vs Brutal Dictatorship, it is a hard desicion. After thought I have came to the conclusion that the left has a better chance either during whatever scale war ensues, or before that war begins, in toppling the bastard know as Saddam Hussien. I do not support him or like him. I hope he dies a violent and painful death! But I wish the same to George Bush, on a lesser scale because he is a moron.

Just for all you righties, do not believe that any leftist in his right mind will support Hussien. He is a bastard and deserves to be castrated and forced to eat his balls before being whipped todeath with elastic bands!

[Domino]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 10:03 pm on Mar. 9, 2003
... the bastard know as Saddam Hussien. I do not support him or like him. I hope he dies a violent and painful death! But I wish the same to George Bush, on a lesser scale because he is a moron.

I agree, but I wish a painful death for both, him and Bush.

(Edited by tetelives at 10:12 pm on Mar. 9, 2003)

[bolshevik1917]

Of course, no true socialist could support a man like Hussain. Because many of the right wingers here are quite thick they assume you must be on 'one team or the other'. There is no such thing as the colour grey!

However, there are exceptions of 'lefts' supporting Hussain. The pathetic WRP (www.wrp.org.uk) in England recently had this article in their paper..

"ON Referendum Day, Tuesday Octo-ber 15th, the people of Iraq seized hold of their chance to show the American and British people who they want for their president.
The arrogant demand of Bush and Blair, that they should choose Iraq’s leader, was not only treated with anger, hostility and contempt, it was ridiculed by many Iraqis who laughed at it.
Iraq’s Referendum Day was a truly revolutionary event, an ‘uprising’, with a 100 per cent turn out and a 100 per cent vote for President Saddam Hussein to serve for another seven years.
The bourgeois media descended on the polling stations like bees to honey, but found no axe to grind. They were greeted by thousands of cheering people. It was the ordinary people of Iraq, men, women, youth and children, who stood 10 feet tall last Tuesday.
They flocked to the polling stations in their thousands and made it a historic day of revolutionary defiance and celebration
Voting took place from 8am-8pm.
Every voter had already received a registration card with their name, address and personal number on it. This registration card was handed to the auditors at the polling station, who then issue a voting paper.
News Line visited three polling stations and the general atmosphere was one of revolution.
Hundreds and thousands of people were dancing and singing with children joining in the festivities. Every now and then large groups of voters, from a particular neighbourhood, accompanied by home-made banners and flags, with drums sounding and trumpets playing would arrive.
The children loved it especially as someone or other would throw a handful of sweets into the air for them to scramble after. At all the polling stations there were soft drinks, sweets and food provided for all by the local community.
Just outside some polling stations, fish and sheep were cooking on an open fire. Everbody was having a good time. But there was a steely determination and seriousness at the heart of the demonstrations and celebrations, which became apparent when News Line spoke at random to voters.
All the polling stations we visited were in Baghdad, the first was at Al Shalhair. Riad Saadi told News Line: ‘Everyone had to vote in this referendum to show the world our support for Saddam Hussein.
‘We say down with America, which wants to enter our country and steal our oil.
‘America is not right. All Iraqi people want democracy and freedom. We don’t want our government decided for us by America and Britain. Everyone here wants Saddam Hussein – “All, All for Saddam – All, All Say Saddam”.’
Abbas Dahar Hassan said: ‘We are not afraid of America and its army. We are strong. Today shows that Iraqis including women and children will defend our country. America is no good. Every day Palestinians are killed and America will not do anything. We hope that all the people of Britain and America will support us.’
Khairya Muhie Mustafa said: ‘Yes, Yes to Saddam. I am happy for this occasion; all of us want our leader, Saddam Hussein. Everyone is voting. We don’t like Bush, but we like the people of America.
‘Iraq and Palestine is the same case, one people, all Arabs.
‘All of us, children, men and women, we are ready to get our guns and fight America. Our message to workers in Britain, is, “Yes, Yes to Saddam Hussein”. We are ready to write “Yes, Yes” in our blood not ink.’
Millions of voters in Iraq pricked their thumbs and marked their ballot papers with their blood.
Dina Sequeira, who was accompanied by her 15-year-old daughter, Hind Mahir, said: ‘We have come here to choose our President Saddam Hussein. We don’t like America. She wants to attack Iraq because we are a rich country and we have a lot of oil.
‘People have turned out to show the world that Saddam Hussein will be president for a long time. My husband, Hind’s father is a Palestinian. We want peace to everyone, and the Palestinian people to have the right to return to Palestine.’
We then went to the Aadimeia Sefena polling station. Jamal Sadoon said: ‘All Iraqis want Saddam Hussein. We don’t want anyone else, only Saddam Hussein. America wants the oil only. The Iraqi people will elect their own president.
‘America is not okay for everyone. Palestine is the principle of all the Arabs. There must be no more discussion, the land belongs to the Palestinians.
‘Palestine is Arab land not Israeli, and all the world knows this. The world also knows that Iraq has no nuclear facilities. If Saddam Hussein gave America the oil, he would be okay with them. You British would not want Arabs telling you who should be your Prime Minister. We want Saddam Hussein.’
Monir, an Iraqi woman whose husband is Syrian said: ‘There is only one leader we want – Saddam Hussein – “Yes, Yes For Saddam Hussein”.’
Zara Abud said: ‘All the people are happy today. You can see for yourself. All say Yes, Yes to Saddam Hussein. We will vote with our blood. We like Saddam Hussein, our president. He has given us food, homes to live in, schools and colleges.
‘Bush’s plans are no good for Iraq. America wants war to take our oil. Even now they attack us with aircraft. America is not democratic in its dealings with Iraq. Iraq is democratic.
‘All the world knows that Palestine is one country for one people. The Zionists kill Palestinian children in schools, in colleges, and in their own homes.’
Our next stop was the Al Aadmia Secondary School. This polling station covers two districts, has 6,655 voters, men and women over 18.
While we were there, it was mostly women voting, mainly because it was around midday. Men were working and were expected in the afternoon.
Officials at this polling station were expecting everybody to have voted before it closed at 8pm.
Mr M Al Windawi is a lecturer at a college. He is a graduate of Reading University. He said: ‘There is a big turnout. People want to send a message to the whole world. Here the voting is taking place very quietly, but our citizens in the north and south of Iraq are having to vote with American aircraft trying to intimidate them.
‘My advice to American soldiers is to go home, and assist your wives cooking. The British should look at their history. They suffered heavy casualties in 1920, when they tried to impose a British High Commissioner to rule Iraq.
‘We know this history well. We don’t want some US High Commissioner talking to us about democracy.
‘Leave this country to decide for itself. The feelings we have for the Palestinians are very strong and historic.
‘Ask my generation, we have volunteered many times to go and fight in Palestine. This is a case of nationhood. Palestine is Arab. Palestinians should remain at home whatever the Zionists do.
People here have lost any confidence in all those people talking about democracy. The US has never given any assistance to Palestine. They always support the Zionists. Bush is angry with us also because we give assistance to the Palestine people.
‘We give $12,000 to each family who have lost members of their family as martyrs, or have lost their homes. Bush wants to occupy our country because he wants the oil in particular, but he also wants to control the region. He wants to control Turkey, Syria and Iran. We are sending a message today.’
The mood today of the ordinary people of Iraq is simple: they do not want war, they want peace.
‘But if America and Britain invade and occupy their land, they will never give up, they will fight. Every last one of them will fight and they will win.’
Over 11 million Iraqis voted in the Referendum from Mosul and Khirkuk in the north to Basra in the south.
They delivered a massive blow in the face to the imperialists that will resonate through the ages.They also showed that the whole Iraqi nation is ready to fall on any invading US and British troops.
They would be well advised to stay at home and to refuse to embark for Iraq. "

(News Line, 21 October 2002).

[HankMorgan]

Is or is not Saddam Hussein the beneficiary of the actions of the peace movement?

[Old Friend]

Just for all you righties, do not believe that any leftist in his right mind will support Hussien. He is a bastard and deserves to be castrated and forced to eat his balls before being whipped todeath with elastic bands!

I gotta tell you that I am not convinced at all. Your defense of North Korea's position with respect to the 1994 framework is testimony alone to how far you will go to defend brutal dictators. Besides, your actions speak to the contrary. By opposing the war effort, you effectively align yourself with Hussein, and become his mouth-piece. You buy him time to dig in and mount a defense that will ensure greater civilian casualties. Rest assured, if Hussein does order his men to knock off his own civilians, the liberal media will be right there to depict America in the exact light that Hussein plans. I guarantee you won't hear any leftists defending America's position, even if they know it was the hand of Saddam. You help with Hussein's work and he helps you to defame the United States. You love Hussein and those like him. How else could you defend a political and economic system that results in the sort of tyranny that Saddam enjoys. You socialists enjoy watching and inflicting misery. By definition, you are a bunch of miserable bastards.

[peaccenicked]

http://www.iso.org.au/socialistworker/arch...ve/502/p7a.html (http://www.iso.org.au/socialistworker/archive/502/p7a.html)

[Old Friend]

Maybe when you take the time to find a credible source, I will start taking the time to read the bullshit links that you provide. But if they were credible, they wouldn't be bullshit either. Pathetic.

[peaccenicked]

Which of the facts are wrong?
you screwed up right wing shit hole.
PATHETIC

[Old Friend]

That's the thing, peacenicked. I didn't bother looking at the facts because I saw the source and assumed it was as biased as the commondreams source that you are constantly referring everyone to. If you want people to take you seriously, find someone with a reputation to source, and not some socialist propagandists. I reiterate, pathetic.

[Saint-Just]

'However, there are exceptions of 'lefts' supporting Hussain. The pathetic WRP (www.wrp.org.uk) in England recently had this article in their paper.. ' Bolshevik1917

I thought you were a Trotskyist Bolshevik 1917. The Workers' Revolutionary Party are Trotskyists.

[peaccenicked]

OF. You cant refute the facts because they are true and every one of them can be verified from historical sources. Straight from the horses mouth.

[chamo]

Glad you see it my way. http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=3002&start=0 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=3002&start=0)

Alot of people, including leftists, seem to think that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and are so anti-american that they will support Saddam Hussein.
If anyone, left or right, wants to support Hussein then why don't they support Batista, Stalin and Hitler.

[bolshevik1917]

I am a Trotskyist CM, these WRPers dont know the true meaning of Trotskyism, they are a hopeless sect.

Remember, the SWP claim to be Marxists, sometimes we need to take these things with a pinch of salt.

The WRP and some other sect claim to the official section of the 4th international - which means nothing nowadays as its theory died with Trotsky. People like Cannon could not develop theory, they mearly repeated all the past slogans and methods to new situations.

Nowadays the American SWP own Trotsky's works, and will not allow most of it to be reproduced by others without them getting a fee for it (apparently their leader drives about in a Merc)

[Saint-Just]

Quote: from happyguy on 3:56 pm on Mar. 10, 2003
Glad you see it my way. http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=3002&start=0 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=3002&start=0)

Alot of people, including leftists, seem to think that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and are so anti-american that they will support Saddam Hussein.
If anyone, left or right, wants to support Hussein then why don't they support Batista, Stalin and Hitler.


Few people use the statement 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend', it depends on the circumstances.

I do support Stalin, certainly not Batista or Hitler though.


'I am a Trotskyist CM, these WRPers dont know the true meaning of Trotskyism, they are a hopeless sect.

Remember, the SWP claim to be Marxists, sometimes we need to take these things with a pinch of salt.

The WRP and some other sect claim to the official section of the 4th international - which means nothing nowadays as its theory died with Trotsky. People like Cannon could not develop theory, they mearly repeated all the past slogans and methods to new situations.

Nowadays the American SWP own Trotsky's works, and will not allow most of it to be reproduced by others without them getting a fee for it (apparently their leader drives about in a Merc)' Bolshevik1917

The SWP are Trotskyists too are they not? They are the biggest left-wing party in the UK I think.

The Socialist Party are also Trotskyists, what is your opinion of them?

(Edited by Chairman Mao at 9:11 pm on Mar. 10, 2003)

[bolshevik1917]

Like I said, many parties claim to be trotskyist, but we can conclude from their theories (or lack off) that this claim ammounts to nothing.

The Socialist Party (ex militant?) arent too bad on theory, but I dont agree with everything they say and do.

Give me them over the SWP or WRP any day though

[Saint-Just]

Quote: from bolshevik1917 on 9:16 pm on Mar. 10, 2003
Like I said, many parties claim to be trotskyist, but we can conclude from their theories (or lack off) that this claim ammounts to nothing.

The Socialist Party (ex militant?) arent too bad on theory, but I dont agree with everything they say and do.

Give me them over the SWP or WRP any day though

Yes, the Socialist Party are ex-militant. I agree they all have a distinct lack of ideology. The Socialist Party say they are Marxist-Leninists, that they are Trotskyists, but on what they would do if in power they can't commit, saying they would keep the parliamentary system, would have to work out the best option, yet they still say they think theory of class struggle is relevant today....

Obivouly I'm not a Trotskyist, however the Marxist-Leninists parties are rather disorganised too. The CPB is revisionist, the SLP has a lot of Marxist-Leninists but Scargill and half of the party are old Labour supporters. At their last conference they had a large argument, Scargill ended up criticising the Marxist-Leninists. The Revolutionary Communist Party (ML) are very small. New Communist Party etc. are revisionists. Members are all over the place with some parties having a lot of anti-revisionists and some parties having revisionist leadership and so on.

The Trotskyist parties are similarly disorganised.

[bolshevik1917]

It is indeed a sad state of affairs in Britain, as far as 'the revolutionary party' is concerned.

There are at least 30 'communist' parties, each of them claim to have the ideas on their side, and each of them claim that in times of struggle the workers will come flocking to them.

As for me, I fight for change in the Labour Party which gets me plenty slaggings, but time will tell.

[peaccenicked]

I direct anyone interested in sectarianism here.
http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=13&topic=456 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=13&topic=456)

[Mazdak]

Crazy pete, its funny you hate saddam for being "bloodthirsty" yet you at the same time seem very bloodthirsty yourself. HYPOCRITE.

[Pete]

Yes yes I know. Mazdak

Norman, I do not want America's power to increase. The ISO site is actually fairley unbaised, after the first few paragraphs.

[Tkinter1]

Despite the fact that I haven't really seen anyone try and show a clear connection between leftists and Hussein, I think people generally think that the mindset of the leftist would be "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

[canikickit]

I think people generally think that the mindset of the leftist would be "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

That's pretty fucking stupid of them, isn't it?


Crazy pete, its funny you hate saddam for being "bloodthirsty" yet you at the same time seem very bloodthirsty yourself. HYPOCRITE.

Funny how you criticise D Day's spelling, and yet you have "Guevara" misspelled in your sig. IDIOT.

[Tkinter1]

"That's pretty fucking stupid of them, isn't it?"

They wouldn't be the first to take that mindset.

Hell, the US did with Iran.

[peaccenicked]

'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'.
The trouble is that people sometimes change.