JUST READ THIS - AND TELL ME SADDAM DOESN'T NEED TO BE ERADI

[Capitalist Imperial]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/881770.asp?0ql=crp

He must be stopped. If the doves are to blind to see it, so be it. Americans in the know will not sit idly by and let this opportunity pass.

Eradication of the iraqi regime is the only option.

Endgame is imminent.

[Anonymous]

I would expect no less from him.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 4:34 am on Mar. 10, 2003)

[deadpool 52]

It would not be wise to destabilize an already turbulent area.

[Pete]

Saddam deserves a long, drawn out, death. He is a bastard. If this article is to be believed (the slaughter own citizen part) then it should be pointed out that if America and Britain should be held responislbe, as they should be partly responsible for what happened to the kurds, because they will be supplying the reason, weapon, and ability for Saddam to do such. That article is obvioulsy biased. It uses loaded imagery like : "Saddam’s best allies are time and space, deceit and poison. " I throw it out as propaganda.

[CheViveToday]

I wouldn't doubt that Saddam would do that, but that article seems more than a bit shady to me. I mean I'm sure people would notice that the soldiers were all middle-eastern. I highly doubt there are any American or British units composed entirely of people of middle-eastern descent. Also, if this is Saddam's plan, how the hell does MSNBC know about it? If you believe Saddam is allegedly so good at hiding his weapons of mass destruction, there's no way you can argue that he couldn't keep that plan secret. Also, why would he need to create this scenario? Even the U.S. officially admits that some innocent Iraqis will die at certain points of the war. Saddam could just have the bombs dropping on Iraqi Civilians houses videotaped.

[peaccenicked]

3000 "precision" missiles missiles in 48 hours, on the Iraqi people, and thats only to start with. This
genocide might and most likely topple Saddam eventually, but I bet none of you will be flying out to Iraq to see what a good job the US/UK war criminals are doing and pick up depleted uranium radiation sickness. http://english.pravda.ru/diplomatic/2002/0...8/06/33892.html (http://english.pravda.ru/diplomatic/2002/08/06/33892.html)

(Edited by peaccenicked at 2:24 am on Mar. 10, 2003)

[CheViveToday]

Yes, since this war now seems invietable, I nominate Dark Capitalist and Capitalist Imperial the honor of being at the front lines. With their pro-war views, they certainly wouldn't turn this opportunity down. Go on guys, I'm sure you aren't worried about dying, I mean it's to ensure that Imperia.....err....freedom lives on.

[Rastafari]

He will do whatever he can to slow the march on Baghdad, then turn his capital into “a Mesopotamian Stalingrad,” says Iraq expert Kenneth Pollack of the Brookings Institution, referring to the World War II city battle that claimed a million German and Russian lives.

I saw this as the first hint of stupidity within the article. Comparing Stalingrad to Baghdad in this situation is faulty, erroneus, and misbased. Even though the two places do rhyme, which may appeal to many of the readers of said article, they were on different sides in comparison to the US. Tons more Russians (who would be peaceful Iraqis and the Republican Guard, as well) died, while a small number (less than 20%, I believe) of Germans died. The Germans would be the US in this situation anyway, shrewdly dishonoring policies before attempting all-out militarism.

[Pete]

I direct all the rightests here (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1736)

[Totalitarian]

It might be true, it might not. The controlled western media is untrustworthy anyway.

This war will increase anti-US terrorism, possibly spark a global conflict, and help zionist domination of the middle east & provide further justification for police state amerika domestic repression.

Is that worth it?

[Guest1]

Well, we have just begun to hear the massive public outcry against this war precisely because thousands of civilians are going to die, and not all accidentally, at the hands of US and British troops. Isn't scary that JUST AS we start hearing this outcry, there's this effort by the CIA and media-conglomerates to convince us that Saddam is going to be framing them for war-crimes?

"oh look, there's US soldiers indiscriminately shooting into a crowd of innocent civilians. damn, that evil saddam almost fooled me for a sec."

It's a really disturbing thought, which suggests that they expect more than just "collateral damage". Think about it, the more atrocious the act, the more likely you are to believe that it was him. And think of how it could justify this whole war if they did stage even one of these shows that would prove saddam is an opportunist who will try to use the doves to his advantage.

[Politrickian]

Newspeak, err, Newsweek, what a reliable source.

[sc4r]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:15 pm on Mar. 9, 2003
http://www.msnbc.com/news/881770.asp?0ql=crp

He must be stopped.

Few if any on the left doubt it. That is not the point

The point is that every solution has costs. It is the costs of the particular solution (War, and especially war without UN approval) that the left are concerned with.

The benefits are also dependent upon the specifoc solution (and particularly the motivation behind it). Eliminating Sadam hussein in order to replace him with a US friendly (rather than Iraqi and world friendly) regime delivers remarkably few benefits to most of us, few to Iraqi's, and probably far less even to most americans than they think.

Eliminating Sadam will take the risk of a US citizen being hurt by terrorists from virtually zero to virtually zero. Thats about it.

[Disgustipated]

Wasn't there a bit in the news a while ago that Saddam had given every resident of Baghdad an AK-47? If thats the case, why don't they overthrow them themselves?

Why is it the job of the US to intervene in a sovereign nations' affair. I do of course realize that the CIA was instrumental in putting him in power in the first place.

[Old Friend]

I do of course realize that the CIA was instrumental in putting him in power in the first place.

Different administration, different policy. That old criticism never really held up, just to let you know.

[Hampton]

Different administration, different policy

Same government.

[Beccie]

CI could you please read the following link and tell me how the fuck you can justify the impending war on Iraq?

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/aldebron1.html


Quote: from CheViveToday on 2:27 am on Mar. 10, 2003
Yes, since this war now seems invietable, I nominate Dark Capitalist and Capitalist Imperial the honor of being at the front lines. With their pro-war views, they certainly wouldn't turn this opportunity down. Go on guys, I'm sure you aren't worried about dying, I mean it's to ensure that Imperia.....err....freedom lives on.


Well said comrade!

(Edited by Commie01 at 3:06 am on Mar. 13, 2003)