46% OF AMERICANS ARE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS - 68% Believe in

[redstar2000]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/04/opinion/04KRIS.html

It's even worse than I thought!

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[RedCeltic]

Somehow I really don't believe that. What did they take a poll of Alabama, Georgia, and Miss.. and figure that's what all of America is like???? Give me a break... I've only met maybe two or three of those people in my life... and than only on trips down south!!

[Dhul Fiqar]

I assume they are mostly in large concentrations in the South, but there are a lot of people there so the numbers might not be way off.

--- G.

[Capitalist Imperial]

this is just simply not true

[booga]

ah, whats the big deal? like they know what "born again" really means.

anyway, if we follow through...religion should not have an influence in national governance. its role will simply be more a a social services entity and nothing more.

"CONSTANTLY renewed in the transformations of your mind."

[redstar2000]

I wish it were not true.

Of course, one can make an argument about pollsters bias, inadequate sampling techniques, etc.

Not to mention their natural incentives to lie...or to at least shade the truth in a "desirable" direction.

And there's usually a +/- 3% margin of error on these things.

But it's hard to see how it could be wrong by much...without risking a public scandal.

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[booga]

what i want to know is where in the hell did this 68% of "devil believers" come from? i wish that were true, then we get "home" sooner than expected. :cool:

[Umoja]

That's a lie. They must only have poled random WASP, and old black women......

The devil, I'm pretty divided on though. I personally, and divided in thinking whether the Devil actually exist is the concept that is commonly accepted, or something far more similar.

[Hampton]

Damn liberal media.

[Moskitto]

Once while walking to school one of my friends noticed my dad's car and said (after seeing the fish) "HEY! your dad's a born again christian," my response was "no, he's a normal christian, not a born again one"

And I'm with Booga what is this big deal with "born again" thing?

[canikickit]

Born again christians are even more ridiculous than ordinary christians.

[Anonymous]

I used to be one.

[Moskitto]

I believe in god now more than I did 2 or 3 years ago.

[Eastside Revolt]

I'm not a christian but I'll bet Jesus would have been scared by those numbers.

[RedCeltic]

Moskitto: Please don't tell me there are Born Agains in England... my heart can't take that. ;)


"Born Again" I believe comes from some Bible verse about the need to be born again into faith or some crap... These people also look down on mostly all other religions but fellow Born Again Baptists... I've heard them say that Catholics are Pagans, Uniterian Universalists are devil worshipers, etc...etc...


That poll has me seriously wondering because it seems to me that most people are becoming more secular... as in, not being part of any church... either because they are athiest, agnostic, or whatever...

I'm always hearing of a decline in church membership... but now suddenly I hear that almost half of Americans are not only XTian but Born again Baptists? Something doesn't seem right here.... :confused:

[Anonymous]

Yes, the term "born-again" is in reference to the baptist belief that one must "ask Jesus into ones heart" therefore being "born-again" in the "water of the spirit", and guaranteed eternal salvation.

They derive this belief from John 3:16, and the several verses that precede it.

[RedCeltic]

Oh yea... those are the nuts with the big "John 3:16" signs at football games... lol

I always thought that ment "John, meet me in the bathroom at 3:16.... "

[peaccenicked]

There so many christians against the war that its becoming tempting........hmmm.

[Umoja]

My parents Church (The United Methodist Church) has put itself officially as anti-war. This doesn't suprise me much, but I don't believe a church should be to involved in politics.

[timbaly]

That reminds me, when Kennedy was running for president the Catholic Church would tell their students to tell their parents to vote for Kennedy. They told them it had to be done for god. Well, that was my dads expeirence anyway. I wonder if that held true for most of the catholic churches in the US.

[redstar2000]

What it seems to mean to me is that the popular support for regimes like that of George W. Bush is "deep", not shallow.

These people want a "godly" president and "godly" congressmen. I am not sure that even a major economic recession could shake this support...at least not immediately. Guys like Bush would instinctively frame a major recession as "a test of our faith" and call for "prayer" and "trust in God" as a substitute for useful Keynesian measures.

And war, of course, is always a useful diversion for would-be tyrants. There is talk of Iran being the next objective. With a huge occupation force right next door in Iraq, it would be rather easy to mount yet another invasion.

Don't miss Dark Ages II: the sequel. We may not get a choice in the matter.

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