Religion is shit - Pure Hypocracy at best.

[Invader Zim]

All from religious pages btw, cut and paste jobs to the last.

First the 5th and 8th commandments.

V. Thou Shalt Not Kill.

VIII. Thou Shalt Not Steal.

Now read:-

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Now Jericho was straitly shut up because of the children of Israel: none went out, and none came in.

2. And the LORD said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour.

3. And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.

4. And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.

5. And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.

6. And Joshua the son of Nun called the priests, and said unto them, Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD.

7. And he said unto the people, Pass on, and compass the city, and let him that is armed pass on before the ark of the LORD.

8. And it came to pass, when Joshua had spoken unto the people, that the seven priests bearing the seven trumpets of rams' horns passed on before the LORD, and blew with the trumpets: and the ark of the covenant of the LORD followed them.

9. And the armed men went before the priests that blew with the trumpets, and the rereward came after the ark, the priests going on, and blowing with the trumpets.

10. And Joshua had commanded the people, saying, Ye shall not shout, nor make any noise with your voice, neither shall any word proceed out of your mouth, until the day I bid you shout; then shall ye shout.

11. So the ark of the LORD compassed the city, going about it once: and they came into the camp, and lodged in the camp.

12. And Joshua rose early in the morning, and the priests took up the ark of the LORD.

13. And seven priests bearing seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD went on continually, and blew with the trumpets: and the armed men went before them; but the rereward came after the ark of the LORD, the priests going on, and blowing with the trumpets.

14. And the second day they compassed the city once, and returned into the camp: so they did six days.

15. And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.

16. And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.

17. And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.

18. And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.

19. But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.

20. So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.

21. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

22. But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her.

23. And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel.

24. And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.

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only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD

All i have to say to that is Thou Shalt Not Steal

How does that entire story relate to thou shalt not kill, exactly? This is all pure hypocracy at its finest.

[socialist2000]

I see what you mean but isnt the falling of the walls of jerico just a story?

[deadpool 52]

Yes, everyone religious follows the Old Testament strictly. Bravo.

[Anonymous]

Isnt every teaching hypocritical to some extent? Interpretation is a wonderful thing.

[Zelena Hracka]

I remember an old Soviet Poster illustrating an old lady trying to force a little child to go to church, while it was struggling to escape her grip and head to the school.

"Religion is poison. Protect your children from it"

[EnvelopedInFear]

Good job on the research.

However, finding a contradictory statement in the Bible is no large task. Regardless of the fact that there are many, the Bible still is a tool for teaching. I can find flaws in whatever you believe in too.

[canikickit]

I remember an old Soviet Poster illustrating an old lady trying to force a little child to go to church, while it was struggling to escape her grip and head to the school.


That's great. I'd love to see that.

As to the topic, I think it's boring. Who cares, religion and the bible and Jesus are a load of crap. As was said there are many criticisms and contradictions which can be pointed out.

[Umoja]

It's all metaphorical, and on the issue of Jehrico, I thought a sin was something that "went against the will of God" which could be potentially worse if a prophet was God's voice....

[Zelena Hracka]

Quote: from canikickit on 1:37 am on Mar. 9, 2003

I remember an old Soviet Poster illustrating an old lady trying to force a little child to go to church, while it was struggling to escape her grip and head to the school.




That's great. I'd love to see that.

As to the topic, I think it's boring. Who cares, religion and the bible and Jesus are a load of crap. As was said there are many criticisms and contradictions which can be pointed out.


Yeah, I'll try to find it and give you a link. These people were so right!

[Smoking Frog II]

Quote: from Funky Monk on 11:03 pm on Mar. 8, 2003
Isnt every teaching hypocritical to some extent? Interpretation is a wonderful thing.


I would be pushed not to agree with you, FM. By interpreting, we can tell things in our own way, slightly tipping things in our favourite direction. Unfortunately, this is how dictators come into power.

[chamo]

Though teachings can be hypocritical when twisted and are sometimes just fables it does not mean that someone cannot follow a religion.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Well to be fair different religions are different...You can't say politics sucks, because it has so far.

[Zelena Hracka]

Many supporters of religion (in general) claim that having faith in a religion helps people being "good". However this "goodnes" (whenever it happens) is the product of fear of punishment by God. You don't have to be e.g. a good christian in order to be a good person. You can be considered as a good person ("good" having multiple meanings in this context) without following a religion, and in fact in the latter case it is the consequence of one's own principles and not of his/her religion.

If that makes any sense.

[Umoja]

Being "good" comes from knowledge. Their has never been a universal concept of "good". So, prehaps this was wrong in hindsight, but at the time it wasn't quite so wrong...... Not to justify it.

For example, calling black people "niggers" used to be accepted as the actual title for black people. Now it's horribly offensive to be said by a non-black out of the proper context.

[Tkinter1]

"religion and the bible and Jesus are a load of crap."

Based on what?

[peaccenicked]

Well you get some good shit and you get some bad shit .

[canikickit]

Based on growing up in a strongly Catholic country and listening to the ridiculous priest spout total bullshit at my granny's funeral.

None of those three things have had any direct positive influence in my life. I am perfectly aware that they have had many indirect influences of positivity in the world around me, however I see no intelligent argument which suggests those things would not have come to pass had there being some other influence.

Okay, here's my take on all three:

[list]Religion: a bunch of people going to a church/mosque/synagouge/empty cave and spoofing and speculating about something which bores the hell out of me. That something can be a variety of topics, and not neccessarily be boring in itself, but I don't particularily want to share that experience with my community.

Jesus: "some guy" who is said to have done this and that 2000 years ago. Sure, the person discribed in the bible had some okay ideals, but I find it hard to believe that this was actually one guy. It was more than likely a few different people, and the stories got exagerated and skewed over time, and we end up with a picture of a "great man". Frankly, I don't see why, even if it was all him, I should care in the slightest. Why should I,Tkinter1? (you see that, I spelt it right :biggrin:). Why do you?

The Bible: A story book. There's some good moral tales in there and some pearls of wisdom (a lot of which can be found in reggae songs), and more stories about Jesus, which I very much agree with. But I am able to figure out all this crap by myself. I have no interest in reading it, partly to do with the long trails of "Joseph begat Jimmy and Jimmy begat george, and George begat Fred, and Fred begat some oher guy, and he did this and etc., etc., etc.", but also because there are books which are relevant to me which I will read first, if 'm ever stuck for something to read.....I'll probably watch TV.[list]

Why, what do you tkint of them, Thinker?

[synthesis]

Quote: from canikickit on 4:33 am on Mar. 11, 2003
I have no interest in reading it, partly to do with the long trails of "Joseph begat Jimmy and Jimmy begat george, and George begat Fred, and Fred begat some oher guy, and he did this and etc., etc., etc."

Aww, ciki, you left out the best part, how they all lived for six hundred to nine hundred years each somehow :biggrin:

[Beccie]

One thing that people generally overlook when it comes to religion is that one person did not write the bible. It was written over a long period of history. The writers had different religious beliefs and wrote for different purposes/audiences. It is not the word of God (if there even is a God) but merely people’s perceptions of who/what God is. Therefore contradictions are inevitable. In the New Testament Jesus broke many of the rules that can be found in Old the Testament, the evangelists were aware of this, they are there for a reason.

There are contradictions in the bible. So what? What exactly is your point?


(Edited by Commie01 at 10:52 am on Mar. 11, 2003)

[redstar2000]

Biblical criticism, while useful in its way, is probably not the best way to combat religious belief in the present era. Most believers have no idea what is actually in the "Bible" except the snippets they might remember from some sermon. All they (mostly) have is a general impression that the "Bible" is "the word of God" and should be believed...um, unless it's inconvenient or unfashionable. People who are seriously religious are another matter...they've actually studied their faith and can be argued with on that basis.

But it's tough going. The seriously religious are the ones who set the agenda for the followers; the followers vote for candidates who think abortion should be illegal...the serious ones fire-bomb women's clinics.

I think the real imperative in this situation is to win over the "unseriously religious" and isolate the fundamentalists...by showing that religion leads inevitably to fundamentalist atrocities.

That's not always easy to do...the links are sometimes obscure and the logic is not always easy to follow.

History is very useful; what do the fundamentalists do when they have the opportunity to get away with it? There are many excellent books on this...and we should try to get the unseriously religious to read some of them. And, of course, there's the daily news. (!)

But, most important, I think, is to directly attack the central dogma--the "existence of God". Since there is no objective evidence for any supernatural entities, the question we should ask is "What is the evidence for the existence of God?". And keep after them, breaking down one absurdity after another until they are reduced to "because I say so!" or have to admit that they have no evidence at all.

We should not let them hide behind the "you can't prove there isn't" evasion...we can't "prove" that elves or unicorns don't exist either.

In a culture like that of the United States, where a vague "religiousness" is more or less in the air we breathe, it's not surprising that even many who want to become revolutionaries carry "baggage" in their minds, scraps of ideas that suggest that religion is somehow "good" or that "Jesus" was, in some vague way, a person to be admired, etc.

Some will go so far as to say that one can be a communist and still "believe in God", a logical absurdity and a practical disaster.

If we aspire to more than cameo roles in DARK AGES II -- the Sequel, this will have to change.

:cool:

[Tkinter1]

Cani, It's obvious that you haven't studied all major world religions, and have come to the conclusion that they are all false/flawed based on no evidence, and little to no experience. Admittedly, I have not studied all world religions, but I do not confirm or deny the validity of any of them. Neither can you. Your opinions on religion are quite frankly meaningless. Passing religion off as complete hogwash with unfounded opinions is not intelligent. This goes for anyone else, not just you cani.

[canikickit]

There are contradictions in the bible. So what? What exactly is your point?

It's boring and neither entertaining nor educational.


Cani, It's obvious that you haven't studied all major world religions, and have come to the conclusion that they are all false/flawed based on no evidence, and little to no experience.

When I put "my take" in italics it was supposed to signify emphasis. Everything I said is based on my experience of religion. I did not go into my greater understanding or interpretation of all world religions, and I didn't write them all off in the above post. So why is it so obvious?

Now tell me, why should I care about Jesus and the bible? Give me one reason (each).

[Tkinter1]

"Now tell me, why should I care about Jesus and the bible? Give me one reason (each)."

I didn't say you should care about jesus and the bible. I just don't think you should say "religion and the bible and Jesus are a load of crap"... crap as in false, or lies.

[Palmares]

Religions aren't bad, they actually have many good points. However they are filled with alot of pure nonsense and they makes them not worth it.

[Blibblob]

Religion is bad, faith is bad, but a belief system isnt bad. The bible is not terrible, it just becomes difficult taking out the shit, and finding the good stuff, same with the Quoran*sp*, and the Tora*sp*.

All of the religions of the world say the exact same thing! It is just worded differently, and different names are added. The three largest now, Judism, Christianity, and Islam; just stuck all of the gods representing things, and created one. The earthly flooding, Noah, is in every single holy book i have seen. As with some representation of Eden. They all think badly of women, and they all create castes. They are the same.

[Palmares]

I thought Hinduism was third largest?

[Moskitto]

Judaism is the smallest major religion apart from Bhuddism, the 3rd largest is Hinduism.

(Edited by Moskitto at 10:59 pm on Mar. 11, 2003)

[Palmares]

Quote: from Moskitto on 8:58 am on Mar. 12, 2003
Judaism is the smallest major religion apart from Bhuddism, the 3rd largest is Hinduism.

(Edited by Moskitto at 10:59 pm on Mar. 11, 2003)


Ta. I just get confused when people say 'major'.

[Moskitto]

Largest religions are
Christianity
Islam
Hinduism
Sihkism
Judaism
Bhuddism

what blibblob might have meant was Western religions.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Quote: from Blibblob on 10:54 pm on Mar. 11, 2003
Religion is bad, faith is bad, but a belief system isnt bad. The bible is not terrible, it just becomes difficult taking out the shit, and finding the good stuff, same with the Quoran*sp*, and the Tora*sp*.

All of the religions of the world say the exact same thing! It is just worded differently, and different names are added. The three largest now, Judism, Christianity, and Islam; just stuck all of the gods representing things, and created one. The earthly flooding, Noah, is in every single holy book i have seen. As with some representation of Eden. They all think badly of women, and they all create castes. They are the same.


I wouldn't say Budhism is quite the same, it is quite major, yet different in some ways.. Anyway whether we agree or disagree, there are shit loads of people that are religious full stop. Our aims require manforce, we cannot afford to isolate ourselves because we do not share beliefs, we should share and tollerate them. Some people use religion as a painkiller, it makes things easier, whats the problem? The large institutions and such are different, but a high % of the world are religious, YES to equality, but not if your religious? WTF? Good look to you anyway. Religion is the sigh of an oppressed people....etc

[Palmares]

Religion is the sigh of an oppressed people....

Fair enough.

[Moskitto]

I meant major as in terms of number of followers, not any sort of "greatness."


Religion is the sigh of an oppressed people

true, the most deeply religious people live in countries where everyone's starving and being oppressed by their governments. And in some Eastern European countries during the cold war countries people became even more commited believers.

[Palmares]

Maybe a better description is a lack of knowledge.

[Blibblob]

Everybody is ignorant, those who are the most are those who actually think they know something. (part socrates ideals, part, uh, other stuff i heard)

"the more knowledge, the more grief"- King Solomon

And remember, ignorance is bliss.

[Tkinter1]

"Maybe a better description is a lack of knowledge."

How do you figure that?

[Tkinter1]

Prove religion wrong.

[canikickit]

I didn't say you should care about jesus and the bible. I just don't think you should say "religion and the bible and Jesus are a load of crap"... crap as in false, or lies.

So now you are defining my terms? By "crap" I mean boring and uninteresting.

Prove Religion right. Or, at least, tell me why I should care about the Bible or Jesus. Or why you do, would be better.

[Blibblob]

Uh, science cant do either. And thats about the only thing i remotely trust. OOO!! Frank Herbert said it best:

"Ready comprehension is often a knee-jerk response and the most dangerous form of understanding. It blinks an opaque screen over your ablility to learn. The judgemental precedents of law function that way, littering your path with dead ends. Be warned. Understand nothing. All comprehension is temporary."

[Tkinter1]

"By "crap" I mean boring and uninteresting."

Hmmm....

"Prove Religion right"

I can't, and I don't try to. I already told you I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of god/gods.

"Or, at least, tell me why I should care about the Bible or Jesus. Or why you do, would be better."

You're COMPLETLEY missing the point.

[canikickit]

What is the point? Come on, it's a message board, don't make me drag it out of you. What are you talking about?

It's a load of crap to me. To me, to me.

I think it is unfortunate that people choose to use it as a crutch, but I understand why they do.

[Tkinter1]

Fine Cani, its a load of crap to you.

The point I was trying to make is that you can't prove or disprove religion. You can't call it a load of crap(We both know I defined your term right) unless you can beyond a resonable doubt prove it incorrect. It is not humanly possible for you to do so, so don't tell me you have...

[Palmares]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 2:14 am on Mar. 12, 2003
Fine Cani, its a load of crap to you.

The point I was trying to make is that you can't prove or disprove religion. You can't call it a load of crap(We both know I defined your term right) unless you can beyond a resonable doubt prove it incorrect. It is not humanly possible for you to do so, so don't tell me you have...

It is a very sujective topic. Therefore, I must agree.

[synthesis]

This cliche retort of "well, I can't prove religion, but you can't disprove it either, so therefore I win" is bullshit.

The burden of proof is on the person trying to prove something - not the person attempting to refute their bullshit.

I can't prove that there are, in fact, flying pigs which are invisible because we're all just aliens from Jupiter - but you can't disprove it, either, so therefore - I win.

Edit: Fuck me, I just realized that redstar just said everything I did earlier on. Sorry!

(Edited by DyerMaker at 3:15 am on Mar. 12, 2003)

[Tkinter1]

Dyermaker,

Do you agree or disagree with what I said?

...and when did i say I WIN?

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 3:48 am on Mar. 12, 2003)

[RedComrade]

Exactly just as Redstar and Dyermaker mention when stating a concept such as religion the burden of proof ultimately falls on the religious person. I cannot disprove to you the existence of Santa, I cannot disprove the possibility that there is a fat magical creature resembling a human living on the North Pole with flying raindeer and a workshop full of elves. Just because I cannot disprove it does not mean that through logic we can safely assume no such Santa exists. The same goes for the concept of the christian god. Perhaps even more disgusting is the moral system behind christianity. It openly parades your rewards or punishments will not be on your acts but your allegiance to the faith. Those who have not accepted Jesus better pack the sun tan lotion cuz they are going to be roasting for eternity. This means that over 70% of the earth's population (including myself) will be burnt, raped, beaten, and tortured for eternity because we are not followers of the Christian brand of faith. Now Adolf Hitler if he accepted christ could easily be kicken it and heaven but Mohattama Ghandi is stuck with a red-hot poker up his ass!, wtf! And this is a religion with over 30% of the world as followers, christianitys moral evil combined with its immense popularity has never ceased to amaze me. If God can forgive a murderer I think he can forgive me for not beleiving in an abstract concept with no more factual evidence than Santa Clause...

[englandsgay]

religion is a way to keep on trucking. living in a world where you live and die and thats all sounds very depressing to me. you commies should like religion. after all in a religionless world all that you've got is your stuff, what do you care about other people? your only looking out for number 1, not your comrade down the street. and if you do then logically your a fool because hes gonna nd up dead anyway and then what did sharing with him accomplish? morality that isn't necessary to protect your life is a really dumb impractical idea without religion to give it meaning.

[Invader Zim]

Ok im creating a new religion, based on the belief that ROX (my new god) created the world for me to rule i am the new Messiah, you will all bow down to me give me gifts etc as i am the spawn of ROX. ROX created the world in no time at all. He forged it from the great fire in the spine of existance. He is a benevolant god who believes that killing people is good as long as it is for human sacrifice. Join my cult or when i take over the world with my infinate mystical powers, you will be sacrificed before me by my waves of followers.

The first few of my followers will write the holy book, while i dictate. There will be institutions set up where i will be worshipped, and the book will be read. Human sacrifices will be brought before my alter and flammed to death. Any unbelievers will be hung until they ARE NEAR DEATH and then taken down and sacrificed.

All christians, muslims, hindoo's, Budists and the sikh's will all be forced to convert or they will be sacrificed.

[Umoja]

Cool, where do I sign up?

*Gets his pen ready to write the holy book*

[Invader Zim]

Ahh one who will be saved from the never ending dooms day. You must give up the earthly name given to you, you will now be called blood priest Umoja, the greatest of disiples and profits. BUT BPUTGODAP for short.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Religion is the sigh of an oppressed people, the heart of a heartless place, the soul of soulless conditions, it is the opium of the people.

Sorry I kinda trailed off with that last time. Anyway being agnostic rocks, you can say you don't beleive, yet don't take a superior stance on the BILLIONS that do.

[Tkinter1]

I wasn't trying to prove religion right or wrong.

[October]

Redstar2000, and I have currently been debating the god or no god topic in the theory section under the "Jesus was a Commie" thread. Why we were doing it there and not here, I don't know. Anyway I think the ground that has already been covered there may answer some of the questions you have all been asking. Please read from page 4 all the way to page 6 before commenting on them though. I really don't feel like posting the same replies all over again.

[October]

It appears as though I can no longer post under the Jesus was a Commie thread, so I will continue on here Redstar2000. If you have any replies, post them here.

Redstar2000, if John Doe was the head judge of a courthouse, in a country lead by a government based on your idea that "freedom is for civilized people, not barbarians" and was judging a case that was covering whether or not you were a barbarian, what do you suppose would happen to you for statements like "One thing that I certainly want to prohibit is the public exercise of religion." when the prosecution uses your definition "those who advocate the most monstrous forms of oppression and exploitation are barbarians"?

Once again Redstar2000, you are forming opinions without basing them on any facts. Not too long ago, your biggest argument was "What I am unwilling to do is to accept assertion as a substitute for evidence." Science blatantly shows that the idea of evolution can never be anything more than a tall tale. You demonstrate with your statement "regardless of the source" that you are not interested in the reliable evidence provided by science at all, and inadvertently show that you realize the weak representation that evolution makes. You prove that you are merely clinging to all that is left, your faith. The reliable evidence that I have provided for you is just the "tip of the iceberg" in the reasons why evolution is scientifically impossible. It would be wise for you to welcome this information, rather than sticking to your "the world is flat" mentality.

[redstar2000]

October, I don't understand the first half of your post at all. Please explain to me what you are getting at?

As for the second part, that evolution is a fact is beyond dispute among reasonable people...that many of the details are hotly disputed is undeniable, but so what? Science is always hotly disputed. It's the name of the game.

"Creation science" on the other hand is flat-earthism. That is also undisputed among reasonable people.

I think it amusing that believers always try to "turn the tables" on unbelievers by attempting to employ the tools of reason in an inherently unreasonable cause. You already know that no appeals to "revelation" will have any effect on us...so you busy yourselves with the attempt to "refute" science with "science".

It won't really help you. If there were objective and verifible evidence for the existence of "God", everyone would believe...though not everyone would worship (me, for example). In fact, "belief" wouldn't be an issue...people would know that it had been demonstrated to be true.

But you don't have any evidence, do you? You can pick at the loose threads of the scientific consensus all you want to...the carpet grows larger and thicker with every passing year. And as I pointed out earlier, even if the current structure of scientific knowledge completely fell apart, my response would still be in favor of the scientific approach to knowledge about the real world.

The human species has created thousands of gods...most of which are happily forgotten. May the time come soon when we shall forget the remainder!

:cool:

[Umoja]

"Only to realize all we were worshipping ourselves all along" Or something like that goes the Gnostic saying.

[RedCeltic]

evolution, is a scientific theory in which we have mounting evidence of. What the fuck are you talking about October? Are you on Crack or LSD?

Geology alone disprooves the Bible...

Fuck.... evolution is proven by genetic adaptations made by bacteria that can grow amunities to anti-biotics.

Take for example a flu shot. Why do you need a new one every fucking year? Why are their new strains coming out all the time?

If your God created all these wonderful germs... why do they adapt to resist drugs every year?

You see... if evolution did not exist.. mutations and adaptations would also not exist.. but they do.

[GoCommunism]

In response to RedCeltic:

Atheistic evolutionists, seeking an explanation of creation without a creator, theorize that intelligent operations like our universe, and intelligent beings like ourselves, are the outcome of unintelligent happenings. Can the thinking mind believe that the endless variety of trees, flowers, and other vegetation just happened, and that their growth, each from a seed of its kind, has been unplanned? Can the thinking man observe himself, the intricacies of his being, and his ability to reproduce himself, and believe that he is not the creation of a magnificently intelligent Creator? Surely the thinking mind must conclude that this theory that our world and all that is in it evolved through a slow-moving, natural process from NOTHING is incredible.



If the theory of evolution were factual, we should expect to see multitudinous examples of one species evolving into another. However, no evidence of such evolving has ever been found in either plant or animal life. Darwin himself, in his Origin of the Species, was loathe to say: "In spite of all the efforts of trained observers, not one change of species into another is on record." Surely this complete absence of long-sought "missing links" lends credence to God’s decree that all plant and animal life was created, and propagated from seed "after its kind." (Ge 1:11,21).


Many honest people, particularly in the less enlightened past, have been duped by this Theory of Evolution. Fortunately, for those who might still suffer a hangup on this subject, the theories of Darwin, Lamarck, and others have been debunked by many fine authors; and many great scientists such as Albert Einstein have stated their belief in the existence of a supreme, intelligent Creator. For example, Michael I. Pupin, former president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, said: "Wherever science has explored the universe it has found it to be a manifestation of a coordinating principle, and that coordinating directing principle I call Divine Intelligence." Pupin also said: "When you see the stars, each moving in its own pathway, or see a seed grow up after a definite plan into a tree, or see a baby develop into a full-grown, self-directing human individuality, can you conceive of all that taking place as the result of haphazard happenings? Well, I cannot.

It is believed that Dr. Harry Emerson Fosdick, expressed well the thoughts of the thinking mind when he said: "Does any intelligent being really think that the cosmic scheme of things is mindless and purposeless, without meaning or destiny? To explain the law and abiding order of the world, the nobility of the human character at its best, as mere happenstance, is like saying that the letters of the alphabet were blown together by a chance wind to form the works of Shakespeare."

Archaeologists are unearthing one after another of the ancient landmarks previously claimed nonexistent, such as the cities of Babylon, Bethel, Gibeon, Jericho, Nineveh, Ur, etc. Also, as they excavate the ruins of these cities, archaeologists are finding texts and monuments amounting to a vast treasure of knowledge illuminating the great historical narratives of the Bible. Your time will not be taken now to explore the great bulk of this information that is available, but your attention is called to books such as "Everyday Life in Bible Times" published by the National Geographic Society, Keller’s "The Bible As History", and "New Discoveries in Babylon", and James A. Michener’s novel, "The Source"

The Space Program may provide additional evidence that Bible stories, falsely claimed to be myths, are true. This seems apparent in the following astonishing development, related by Mr. Harold Hill, president of Curtis Engine Company in Baltimore, Maryland, and a consultant in the space program.

While checking the positions (past, present and future) of the sun, moon and planets (a step necessary to the mapping of a collision-free course of orbit, covering the life span of each satellite launched), the astronauts, space scientists and IBM technicians at Green Belt, Maryland, were baffled when the computer, running measurements back and forth over the centuries, came to a stop and flashed a red signal, indicating an error in either the input of information or the comparative standards.

The computer’s result indicated the seemingly impossible fact that "a day is missing in space in the elapsed time;" and they were stumped until finally, in the face of considerable skepticism, they called upon the Bible to tell it like it is.

At first they thought that the missing day was explained by the Scripture, "The sun stood still and the moon stayed—and hastened not to go down for about a whole day." (Jos 10:13), but the computer was not satisfied. The computer indicated the elapsed time missing in Joshua’s time was only 23 hours and 20 minutes—not a whole day; rather, as the Bible stated, "about (approximately) a whole day." An unaccounting for forty minutes may appear relatively unimportant in thousands of years of time, but not so in the eyes of the computer or space scientists, because forty minutes multiplies many times over in orbits. Additional Biblical research brought to light the Scripture, "And he (the Lord) brought the shadow (of the sun) ten degrees backward." (2Ki 20:11), and ten degrees is exactly 40 minutes.

It is now logged in the space program logbook that the 23 hours and 20 minutes in Joshua plus the 40 minutes in II Kings equal the 24 hours of the missing day in the universe. Thus it was that the Bible explained a perplexing problem for the space program; and thus it was that the space program supported two Bible stories, formerly pronounced myths

[redstar2000]

It's almost unnecessary, given the posts of October and GoCommunism, to furnish this site...but human folly is unconstrained by reality at

http://www.crank.net/index.html

I love the story of the "missing day in space-time"--that is hilarious! :cheesy:

Religion is a treasure-trove of comedy...if it just weren't for all the blood.

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[Umoja]

What if God has a sick sense of humor?

[redstar2000]

A sick sense of humor, indeed!

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...15/BA248878.DTL (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/03/15/BA248878.DTL)

It occurred to me while reading this horror that whatever may be said against communists, there are no stories like this about [/b]us.[/b]

Rejecting the "Lord's" guidance, we mere humans appear to be incapable of sustained torture.

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[Umoja]

Pretty sickening, although maybe God is just laughing about that right now. I mean, God is pretty abstract, so he must find weird stuff funny.