Anyone want some blatant propaghanda? - About "dishonorable"

[mentalbunny]

I cam across this site and it made me laugh, you have to see this!!!!!

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadA...cle.asp?ID=6432 (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6432)

[Capitalist Imperial]

summary execution of these inividuals should be carried out immediately

[KRAZYKILLA]

fuck those writers. those people aint bad. michael moore is a good guy.

[EnvelopedInFear]

Nice findings, but still why do you think its propaganda?

That's how you spell it, right?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Thats just it, it wasn't propoganda.

It was the facts.

Execute them for treason.

[Hampton]

Ok Stalin.

[Anonymous]

its good to know that your political stupidity hasnt changed CI....

[The Sniper]

yeah exercute ppl for having an opinion!! Makes sense that, i wish i could live in the "Land of the Free".

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from the anarchist on 6:13 pm on Mar. 9, 2003
its good to know that your political stupidity hasnt changed CI....


its good to know that your all around stupidity has worsened, anarchist

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from The Sniper on 6:23 pm on Mar. 9, 2003
yeah exercute ppl for having an opinion!! Makes sense that, i wish i could live in the "Land of the Free".


"Lynne Stewart: Cohen’s sidekick at the CCR, Lynne Stewart has a long track record of defending terrorists and voiced support for violence. "I don’t believe in anarchistic violence, but directed violence," she said. "Directed violence," she clarified, would be "violence directed against the institutions which perpetuate captialism, racism, and sexism, and the people who are the appointed guardians of thoe institutions." And apparently, this counselor has crossed the line of mere sympathy with terrorism. Stewart has been jailed for complicity in terrorism for her actions on behalf of client Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman, the convicted mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Attorney General John Ashcroft has charged that after speaking with the blind Sheikh, Stewart conveyed a message from the terrorist to his followers. If Stanley Cohen lives through terrorists, Stewart makes sure terrorists live through her. (The Hate America Left also dedicated a chapter to Stewart.)"

"4. John Walker Lindh: The "American Taliban" soldier captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan says his "heart became attached" to the Taliban while he studied Islam at a Pakistani madrassah. He later received military training at an al-Qaeda camp where he personally met Osama bin Laden, who thanked him "for taking part in jihad." By Walker’s own admission, he was told by al-Qaeda members that twenty teams of fellow terrorists had been sent to attack the United States and Israel. On the eve of the U.S. invasion in Afghanistan, Lindh presented himself to a Taliban recruitment center as "a Muslim who wants to go to the front lines to fight." Yet the day he was sentenced to a twenty-year prison term by a U.S. District judge, the bold Muslim warrior suddenly turned meek, telling the court that if he had known of the Taliban’s close ties to terrorists like bin Laden, he would never have joined it. "I have never supported terrorism in any form and never would," said the man whose non-cooperation with American CIA agent John Spann led to Spann’s murder at the hands of some escaped al-Qaeda savages. "


you call these "opinions"?

These beople are idiots, concentrating more on splitting hairs with US foreign policy more than addressing the true evil of Saddam Hussein. They are merely making themselves saddam's puppet, and saddam would still love to have them all dead as well, as they are merely americans to him.

They discuss US sanctions hurting inocent Iraqis, while in reality the US sanctions allow for provisionals such as food/water/medicine for the Iraqi citizenry, however, Saddam has usurped these provisional resources for his own military purposes. The only one to blame for the suffering of the Iraqi people is saddam hussein, and that is a fact.

Truly idiotic behavior, worthy of a 'Darwin Award".

[Hampton]

You figure they need water and medicine because America keeps on bombing their baby milk factories and water-treatment plants.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Hampton on 10:44 pm on Mar. 9, 2003
You figure they need water and medicine because America keeps on bombing their baby milk factories and water-treatment plants.

OMG I can't believe that you made this claim, that is laughable. That they "keep" doing it?

Come on, get serious.

[synthesis]

LOL! So two HOUSE FUCKING REPRESENTATIVES are not only dishonorable Americans, but should be executed for treason?

You're a fucking moron, CI, you've lost it this time.


Like so many of his ilk, Moore is content to cast Bush as less trustworthy than the Iraqi dictator.

LOL, I've NEVER seen Moore do that, and I've perused a lot of his stuff. Perhaps he have made mention of the fact that America installed the Ba'ath party in the first place - or is presenting real facts now considered treasonous?

(Edited by DyerMaker at 1:00 am on Mar. 10, 2003)

[Disgustipated]

With the exception of Lynde, I think that it is a list of Patriots. It is much more difficult standing up for what you believe in when it's against popular opinion. This is their right as Americans, or are you in favor of suppressing the First Amendment?

Lynde made his decision based on his feelings towards Islam. That was his personal choice. This is really no different from Jews who were born and raised in the US travelling to Israel to fight for them.

Advocating the execution of Representatives and Senators is treasonous. Somebody call the FBI. There are serious jail terms for advocating killing members of House and Senate.

[Xvall]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 6:16 pm on Mar. 8, 2003
summary execution of these inividuals should be carried out immediately



LOL.

There's that good old American Democracy again!

Well what do you expect from frontpagemag.com; That group is worse than the Klan.

See. I used to be pretty tolerant of conservatism; but everytime I get this Ann Coulter "If you don't support our regime you it is treason!" bullshit it makes my conservative-tolerance-o-meter go lower and lower. If this keeps up; I'm afraid I'm going to have to categorize you in the same group as facsists and nazis. (Subhuman, Expendable.) And you talk about communism being opressive!

(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 9:57 pm on Mar. 10, 2003)

[mentalbunny]

Lol, I'm so glad I started this thread! CI, shut up, you are so un-american!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 2:35 pm on Mar. 11, 2003
Lol, I'm so glad I started this thread! CI, shut up, you are so un-american!

Neither you (a Brit) or anyone in this post has any idea what it really means to be American today. That is obvious by these ad-homenim attacks on me.


I find it funny that when you ask any actual Iraqi not living under the Iraqi regime, they will vehemently support military action to oust Saddam Hussein. However, you have a bunch of fucking "celiberals" like Martin shein and comrade Streisand and congressional dissidents in this nation who probably have never set foot in Iraq, or anywhere in the middle east (save for recent protests a la Sean Penn, etc.), and somehow they seem to know what is best. Let alone that Iraq is still in violation of security council resolution 1441, and has been for months.


As for Michael Moore in particular, the guy is just a liar, relying more on clever leftist soins, good editing, and tom foolery more than the facts, especially with regards to orporate america and the ownership of firearms.

You people's cognitive process and conclusions are just incredible.

[mentalbunny]

CI, you seem to be ignorant of the difference between being anti-Bush and pro-Saddam, no one in theri right mind is pro-Saddam, but no one in their right mind can be pro-Bush either.

And what was your comment about American Foreign policy? I wouldn't honour it with that title, it's just giving Israel loads of arms, giving latin America a hard time and making sure Britain kisses youyr arse the whole bloody time!

[synthesis]

Neither you (a Brit) or anyone in this post has any idea what it really means to be American today.

Oh, really? How about you enlighten us on what it means to be an American?

Perhaps I'll stick with my own definitions, those I have gleaned from the words of people who have a much greater idea on what it means to be American than you do.

“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“A great industrial Nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world — no longer a Government of free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.”
-Woodrow Wilson

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.”
-Theodore Roosevelt

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavour to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”
-Abraham Lincoln

“The whole fabric of society will go to wrack if we really lay hands of reform on our rotten institutions. ... From top to bottom the whole system is a fraud, all of us know it, laborers and capitalists alike, and all of us are consenting parties to it.”
-Henry Adams

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
-Franklin D. Roosevelt

“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to the point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group or any controlling private power.”
-Franklin D. Roosevelt

“We can have a democratic society or we can have the concentration of great wealth in the hands of the few. We cannot have both.”
-Louis Brandeis (Supreme Court Justice 1916-39)

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, from those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.”
-Dwight Eisenhower

“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it.”
-Abraham Lincoln


This final link that I will provide you, CI, differs from the rest in that it comes from the pen of not an American president, founding father or other official figure, but from a man named John Locke - a man on whose ideals this country was founded.

“Any single man must judge for himself whether circumstances warrant obedience or resistance to the commands of the civil magistrate; we are all qualified, entitled, and morally obliged to evaluate the conduct of our rulers.

This political judgment, moreover, is not simply or primarily a right, but like self-preservation, a duty to God. As such it is a judgment that men cannot part with according to the God of Nature.

It is the first and foremost of our inalienable rights without which we can preserve no other.”




On the basis of these quotes - how could you possibly say that those who are questioning the government and the corporations who control it are anti-American? Are they not American in the truest sense?

[Sol]

I go to school with two Iraqis who lived through the first Gulf War CI. They don't support military action at all.

They spoke at a rally, of being in Baghdad as it was pounded by Allied bombers. They told of how the trucks would come during the pauses in the bombing and how corpses were loaded and hauled away. And they let Hussein stay in power anyway.

This is probably falling on deaf ears, I've heard your opinions about "collateral damage". And you'll most likely say we need to mop up 'unfinished business' or something idiotic like that.

Iraqi intellectuals are being broadcast over the media to tell of how brutal Saddam is (which is absolutely accurate) and how that justifies a US invasion (which is bullshit). And who the fuck cares about an Iraqi who WON'T BE IN THE COUNTRY DURING A WAR? Make him sit in Baghdad when the shooting starts, see if he doesn't change his toon.

CI, there's no good argument for war. Besides, you should just be content there's going to be one.

[RedPirate]

C'Mon CI they are expressing the same opions you are expressing... They say what they want, and you ***** there ya go.