Whats the deal with everyone choosing sides? - Argue, no pri

[KRAZYKILLA]

I myself believe in many Communistic ideas and approaches, many Platonic Ideas as well as many other philosopher's beliefs. BUt why must you take sides? Dont you see every faction murders itself? I can see why capitaislm only creates injustice and inequality.... Whats the deal with no-God in communism? Fuck, if Im ever going to officially be a communist why no private property. I wanna own the cheeseburger in my fuckin' possesion. I think we need a PEACEFUL revolution. If we follow the occasional skirmishes by Ernesto himself I believe it is possible. The reason why there are so many capitalists is because they have been raised since birth believing in it. No need for hatred. Thus has begun the Re-education of the world.

[Pete]

Check out the "MESSAGE TO ALL LEFTISTS" in the Politics thread (or was that theory?) I'll bump it up for you.

[Anonymous]

a peacefull revolution can never work...
one was tried here...
it went well for the first years, but you dont imagine how easily the burguase reagain theyr power....

[RedComrade]

The reason communism does and always will generate such violence and strong feelings is because of the nature of its struggle. The class struggle of marxism is not just a struggle for domination of socialism or the introduction of socialist principles but also a death struggle in which an entire classes existence will be extinguished. Like a wounded animal the burgeois will react with everything in their power to crush their killer because its very existence defies them and will bring about their destruction. It is absurd to think of peaceful coexistence between socialism and capitalism, they are opposites, and one holds the destruction of the other in its hands.

[KRAZYKILLA]

but communism will never prevail without first having a coexistence with the enemy- marx

[Xvall]

Dont you see every faction murders itself?

This; this is usually caused by irrelevant Stalin Vs. Trotsky debates that try to argue about crap that happened half a century ago; as well as all this Revisionist Vs. Anti-Revisionist crap.

Whats the deal with no-God in communism?

Most communists do not believe in god. We see this as a logical conclusion. I have yet to be shown existance in god, so I won't believe in it. You may argue that I should have faith; with that logic I may as well believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.

Fuck, if Im ever going to officially be a communist why no private property. I wanna own the cheeseburger in my fuckin' possesion.

You, like so many people, have taken the abolition of private property far too literally. Private property generally refers to things like building, schools, universities, hospitals, factories, and other means of production. The Thought Police will not barge into your house and shoot you for not letting your neighbor use your toothbrush. It's bad enough that I have to explain this to everyone at school; please do not do it here.

I think we need a PEACEFUL revolution. If we follow the occasional skirmishes by Ernesto himself I believe it is possible.

The revolution depense on the circumstances. I am currently under the impression that in certain countries like America aren't just going to let us raise a red flag on top of the White House. However, I do believe that peaceful reform or revolution is quote possible; Look at Venezuela and Brazil.

The reason why there are so many capitalists is because they have been raised since birth believing in it. No need for hatred. Thus has begun the Re-education of the world.

Agreed. I hate capitalism, I do not nececarilly hate the capitalists. I don't want them all round up and shot. (Keyword All)

[thursday night]

Liberal infestation! ;)

[KRAZYKILLA]

God is proven by logic. God is not proven by faith.

[Pete]

I disagree with that statement. God is proven by faith, and then immediately disproved by logic.

[Anonymous]

God was a human invention, therefore it cannot be proved by logic but by faith

[socialist2000]

Quote: from the anarchist on 8:13 pm on Mar. 6, 2003
a peacefull revolution can never work...
one was tried here...
it went well for the first years, but you dont imagine how easily the burguase reagain theyr power....


No a violant approch has been tried and failed. Peace is the only way forward. War just frightens the voting public alienating them against the cause and as a result a loss of popularity.

[KRAZYKILLA]

People exist. Therefore who created us? Who created the bigbang? I understand if you only think of him as "clockwork," but how did God come about? We don't know. Why are we here? Wy is there existence? Why are we humans and not ants? Who knows?---- God.

[Anonymous]

nope..
matter created us...
our counsience is a producto of our environment..
the big bang is a obsolute theory, since universe is composed by matter and matter isnt created but transformed (nothing disapears, nothing apears, everything transforms)
there musnt have a reason toour existence, we exist becuase the cause and effect reactions allowed our existence...

[Blibblob]

God stopped. Once, the big bang happened, and then evolution took its toll. Try and find "Untill the Sun Dies" by Robert Jastrow. Its a little old(my version is from 1977), but it helps explain Darwin's theories. It does not define God at all, and takes EVERYTHING from a scientific point of view, it also tries out theories about Darwin's missing link.

Basically, the big bang supercharged particles, they attached to each other. Later they took a plant(subtle at food getting) and animal(fast moving and ate things). They merged into colonies, then became larger. They started as fish moved onto the land, then evolved. Those who did not have some specific qualifications died out, and those who had them lived. Its missing link theory is that the apes moved onto the savana. They were not strong enough to fight, and had to throw things. They needed a straight back to run and throw, and they got it.

Basic survival of the fittest. And God is not needed at all, except to start the process.

Big bang is not necessaraly the "creation", but what got things moving fast enough. Before that, matter just sat. I think. AHHH!! TOO COMPLICATED!! It fucking attacks itself if you think too hard!

[mentalbunny]

God is irrelevent, therefore "dead" (see Zarathrustra). At least that is my opinion, Nietzsche may have gone up the wall eventually but it wasn't all rubbish.

Peaceful resistance is the wat forward for as long as possible, we need a new Ghandi.

[Mazdak]

Rofl. Great post. Thats right, just because the British were foolish enough to leave because of peaceful resistance you think everyone is?

You are dealing with an enemy without feelings or care. The only option is their alienation and eventual destruction. Religion and gods HAVE to die. No matter what the costs. It is simple. Peace is not an option. This kind of peace is not peace. it will simply lead to a far worse war than previously imagined. Avoiding small wars is not worth the price of a huge war.