A Christian Site - I found something that made me really ang

[Wenty]

This catholic ( i think ) site condemning Marx and Communism is so wrong!! I sent an email and i suggest you ALL do the same so they get the message. Claiming Marx was a Satanist.

http://www.fatima.org/library/cr28pg23.html

Btw, in the article they mention Richard Wurmbrandt, he was locked up in Soviet Russia for 20 yrs for preaching Christianity so i think he has an axe to sharpen.

(Edited by Comrade Wenty at 10:00 pm on Mar. 5, 2003)

[CruelVerdad]

[Communism is not a social system. Its purpose is not the noble ideal of abolishing economic injustice by establishing social equality. "The true purpose of Communism," Richard Wurmbrant explains, "is to mock God and to praise satan."]
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Who can write something like this????
don´t worry i already sent an email!

[Palmares]

I always knew Chrisitians enjoyed lieing.

I sent an email, but I bet they will do nothing in their ignorance.

[Beccie]

They are not “real” Christians.

"Radical Liberation Theology is corrupting the faith of millions"

I would say it is the other way around. LT is a lot closer to Christianity then their fucked up beliefs. Don’t they support the struggle of the poor against oppression?

(Edited by Commie01 at 11:17 pm on Mar. 5, 2003)

[Tkinter1]

"I always knew Chrisitians enjoyed lieing.

Intelligent statement!

[Mazdak]

ROFL. What a funny website. Shows the Christian understanding of communism perfectly.

[Umoja]

Yeah, seriously, but keep in mind that is the general sterotype attached to Communist, by all groups. More interesting is the people who link the Masons to Satanist.

Mazdak, your name isn't related to Ahrua (Sp?) Mazda, the Zoroaster God, right?

[Pete]

I wrote a civil email.

[CheViveToday]

I also wrote a civil e-mail, requesting that they remove that article.


Quote: from Tkinter1 on 6:55 pm on Mar. 5, 2003
"I always knew Chrisitians enjoyed lieing.

Intelligent statement!


Tkinter, are you saying that your quote "Fuck now, suffer later" is a more intelligent statement?

[Rastafari]

Belongs on Website forum?
Anyway, some stupid fucks at www.rapturereport.net
I want to smack them all and say:"Wake the fuck up!"

[Palmares]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 11:55 pm on Mar. 5, 2003
"I always knew Chrisitians enjoyed lieing.

Intelligent statement!


Nothing but the truth.

[Wenty]

I wrote an email a while back but got no response but i've decided to send the same one frequently to get a reply and so they get the message.

[KRAZYKILLA]

That man does not speak for all christians. im a CATHOLIC and a Believer in many "left-wing" ideas etc. However, by rationale there is a God. Granted that guy in that link was not a very good person, COMMUNISTS< CHRISTANS have all created MANY MANY MANY MANYANY atrocities. we are all damned if we have people blaspheming Christianity, Religion, Marxism, Communism and whatever. We need a sense of unity; not a sense of hatred, unequality and super-violence.

[Tkinter1]

"Nothing but the truth. "

I really hope you don't believe that.

[KRAZYKILLA]

we need to stop fucking around.. christianity, religion and marxism all are fine.

[Mazdak]

Umoja, Although interestingly, related, Mazda and MazdaK are two different figures. Mazda was the god, yes. Mazdak was a communistic philosopher who was anti clerical and against the consumption of meat. He gained influence over a Persian Emperor, i do believe a certain Emperor Shapur.

He had the Temples of Fire closed and the granaries of the nobles opened to the poor. In the end he was betrayed and killed by the emperor and his son, the mighty Chroeses(not sure if it was I or II).

[RedComrade]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 6:12 pm on Mar. 6, 2003

I really hope you don't believe that.


I dont understand whats so disagreeable about that statement. Christianity is a lie based on an even older lie that keeps people in line with the fear of eternal damnation if they get out of order (by not being christian). Whats even sicker is your sincere when you hope he doesnt beleive christianitys false cause your sick twisted ideology preaches eternal torture for the dissidents.

[KRAZYKILLA]

I see you have read nothing from Emmanuel Levinas moron. Christianity is not a wish fulfillment. freud's argument and nietzsches arguments are disbabnded by Levinas. get your facts straight dickhead.

[Tkinter1]

"Christianity is a lie based on an even older lie that keeps people in line with the fear of eternal damnation if they get out of order (by not being christian)."

Prove to me it's a lie. Prove to me that allChristians enjoy lying, which is what he was claiming.

The rest of what you wrote is to foolish to warrant an acknowledgment.

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 8:29 pm on Mar. 6, 2003)

[Show me the Money]

love your avator, KRAZYKILLA!!

[KRAZYKILLA]

why thank you

[Umoja]

Christianity was made for people to fear death, only by the church. Considering the influence the Gospel of Thomas is having on me, I'm convinced early Christians believed knowledge rather then faith was the path to salvation. Unfortunately this says nothing for control of people, so the focus needs to be shifted towards faith.

[mentalbunny]

Personally I doubt much of the Bible but I believe in the principles that Jesus reportedly lived by and that is enough for me. What really irritates me is people who say you can only be saved if you believe in Jesus, in my opinion there is nothing to be saved from except the corrupt systems here on Earth, I don't believe that anything happens after you die, which is why I think it is so important to improve life here for as many people as possible (although I would not say that I followed utilitarian principles as there are countless flaws there).

My father says he is a Christian and therfore he is a Scoailist, not the other way round, because he follows the teachings about forgiveness, love and kindness rather than the OT ideas of retribution, etc.

Those who believe that Christianity and Leftism don't mix obviously don't follow Jesus closely enough.

[Beccie]

Wonderful post mentalbunny,

I agree, those people who think that Christianity and leftism don’t mix have completely missed the point of Jesus’ ministry. I’m not sure if Jesus is the son of God or if he even exists but the story of his life, as told in the gospels, is truly inspirational.

[Pete]

I believe that I have been reborn many times. So we must make it better not only for the children of the next 7 generations (as the Navaho did) but to make sure that it will be a place that we will want to live in again.

[KRAZYKILLA]

Thank you. christianity and marism make more sense than chirstianity and capitalism

[CheViveToday]

Whoa whoa, wait a second. Sorry, but I must agree. Yes, the teachings of Jesus fit in with socialism fine. HOWEVER, current christianity and current christians [at least the majority of them] in no way fit in with Socialism. I mean just look at who the majority of conservative capitalist are-devout christians. I'm not trying to get into a religious argument, and I respect the opinions of KRAZYKILLA and the others in this thread, however I just wanted to state my opinion. Thank you.

[mentalbunny]

CVT, what's a devout Christian, one who follows Jesus' teachings about forgiveness and genorisity, or one who follows OT teachings of fanatical war, etc. ?

Commie01, thanks.

CrazyPete, that's the whole idea about reincarnation, it makes a better world for everyone, and that gives me a good reason to believe in it, but it doesn't quite add up in my mind. Faith is a personal thing, and I just don't have it.

It is said that the only way to create a truly fair society is to get a bunch of people to draw up the rules, knowing that they are going to die and be reincarnated but they don't know the circumstances of their next life.

I also think reincarnation could be possible, because the atoms in our bodies are recycled, so why aren't our souls? This is going back to the idea of soul "atoms" which some Greek Philosopher came up with (sorry can't remember which one, one of the really early ones though). But for some reason I think it more likely that our souls are just electrical impulses.

[Mazdak]

Jesus himself was a madman. And if he wasnt, then the basis of christianity is a lie. Religion and Leftist DONT MIX. They are total opposites. Those who think they do are completely wrong. And this is coming from someone who reads the bible. I am not ignorant of what Jesus preaches. But the fact remains that Christianity is a highly distorted version of the teachings of jesus, who was by all acounts a common criminal and nothing more. There were plenty of hermits and soothesayers and prophets during these times. How can anyone give them credibility?

Umoja- the Gospel of thomas records Jesus killing one child for bumping into him, it shows him crippling another child and blinding a village when the parents complain. He also claims only women who become male can enter the kingdom of heaven.

I seriously doubt that THAT gospel influences anyone. It is like the Arabic infancy narrative; too far fetched for even hardcore fundamentalist sheep to swallow.

(Edited by Mazdak at 6:07 pm on Mar. 8, 2003)

[thursday night]

Religion in various socialist states, from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the People’s Republic of China to Cuba today has always stood as a tool of reactionaries and counterrevolutionaries to woo the masses into a war against socialism. We can see a clever example of this in Poland in the late eighties with the Pope and the CIA using Catholicism/Christianity to move the working-class away from socialism. Unfortunately, the right-wing coup was successful although as with the rest of the former Socialist Bloc. as well as the former Soviet Union, the people are now realizing that life really as better with socialism fighting for them.

Thus, I am of the belief that it is the duty of every Marxist-Leninist to repress the religion because it only serves as an opium of the people as well as a method of disunification.

[thursday night]

And as you can see from my signature, I am no fan of the Church (of any religion) or the people who blindly succumb to it.

[Pete]

There is nothing wrong with religion until you become dogmatic about it. The same is true about political ideologies. A dogmatic Marxist is as bads as dogmatic Catholic. They do not think for themselves and would be a burden to any socialist society. Believe what you will openmindly.

[Umoja]

Mazdak, everything in the Gospel of Thomas is metaphorical. It says that in the first verse, everything has a deeper meaning in it, this is enforced by the fact that in the Canon gospels Jesus spoke in parables, so hidden meanings were very common in that time.

[Moskitto]

Religion in various socialist states, from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the People’s Republic of China to Cuba today has always stood as a tool of reactionaries and counterrevolutionaries to woo the masses into a war against socialism.

as I have said before, the Sandinistas had a huge catholic backing.

[Rastafari]

Read the Bible three times (more than most "Godly" people) as a tool for such arguements. Religion, to quote you know who, is the opiate of the masses. What the Bible teaches in many cases is not love and compassion, but hatred and intolerance. A people can only be opressed for so long until they have to retaliate. So while the lamb think they are being put down, they are really driving true thinkers to the same fate that they see themselves in: oppression. Christ was a madman, I have thought for the longest of times, or he was against that background at least.
The Gospel of Thomas was written by a madman as well, a Gnostic with very admirable, albeit very strange beliefs. The material world is not something to partake in, and the life of the material we now live in is a lie. Of course, all of that wisdom was sandwitched inbetween eating only cucumbers and drinking sheeps urine and all of these strange rituals these Gnostics started to preform, sort of like New-Agers.
I think that the lies that Christianity now premotes in order to organize their Patriarchal and Sexist Family unite cannot, to quote a dumbass, coexist peacefully together. Perhaps those devoted to love of justice and virtue can find a way in a platonic sort of society, however, which would run and function well in a socialist setting.

[Umoja]

I like sheeps urine.... *Wipes away the trickle at the corner of his mouth*

[Umoja]

Seriously though. The Gospel of Thomas is nothing but quotations of Jesus taken out of context. So, really it's no more crazy then someone else quoting Lenin, for example, and publishing a book of his writtings. If you read it, looking at everything metaphorically it portrays Jesus much differently. He talks about the Kingdom of Heaven not being a place, but being a place inside of every person.... blah-blah. It's not about faith, it's about knowledge.

[mentalbunny]

In Leviticus (chapter 18 I think, not certain, have to check), God orders his people, the Jews that they must treat foreigners in their land like one of them, because they had been slaves in Egypt and they knew what suffering was like so they shouldn't do it to other people. Now look at what's going on in Israel, some people aren't following their Torah!

In general I don't like the OT, but it's not all shit, some, like what I said above, is quite good. I also really dislike Paul who was working under a bloody interim ethic so was as strict as you could get, and Chrisitans still insist on listening to this twat!

Remember that the Bible is thousands of years old, so it's not going to fit in with our ideas of life, we have to interpret a bit and leave out the stuff we know is complete bollocks., Follow the good stuff, hell and damnation makes you feel awful, you get all angry and stuff and that's not what you need. We need to avoid suffering, in a Buddhist way and this is done by being better people to everyone. Think how bad you feel when you get angry, if you can just relax and forgive and be tolerant then the world will be a happier place. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying that's what we should aim for. And we must be better at admitting our mistakes.