Saint-Just
5th March 2003, 18:30
Many have made attacks on my ideology in this forum, and on Kim Jong Il. All the following quotes are from Kim Jong Il, who many of you have a wrong opinion of currently.
Firstly, many have seemed to think that I want to suppress the entire bourgeois class, this is not true, simply bourgeois thought.
‘Even a man from the propertied class can become a socialist revolutionary when he is awakened ideologically…. A working class man does not necessarily acquire a revolutionary ideology.’
‘Our ideological work shows that, if ideological work is conducted vigorously to equip people with socialist ideology in socialist society, people from all walks of life can be transformed along socialist lines.’
People have questioned the one party system and the reason for suppressing bourgeois thought. They have stated that a multi party system is needed to represent many different interests. They have criticised me saying I do not allow freedom of speech.
‘In capitalist society, where society is split into classes and people’s interests conflict, one ideology cannot hold undivided sway and it is inevitable that different ideas exist. The imperialists and their mouthpieces claim the existence of these ideas is a source of pride for the “free world”. However, progressive ideas can never develop freely in a capitalist society, where the means of propaganda such a education and the mass media are in the hands of the monopoly capitalists and reactionary rulers.’
‘The reactionary bourgeois ruling class tolerates progressive ideas to some extent, to make capitalist society seem democratic; but when they are considered the slightest threat to its ruling system, it mercilessly oppresses them.’
‘The “freedom” of ideology talked about by imperialists is a deceptive slogan to dress up their oppression of progressive ideas in capitalist society and their resorting to every method to propagate reactionary bourgeois ideas. It is a deceptive slogan to justify their ideological and cultural infiltration into other countries.’
‘Only in socialist society, where exploitation, oppression and class antagonisms have been eliminated, can all members of society be equipped with a single ideology, because of their common aspirations, purpose and interests.’
‘Imperialists and renegade socialists abuse the ideological education carried out in a socialist society as “regimentation” and “ideological indoctrination”. This is an absurd fabrication that throws mud at socialism. It is a falsehood aimed at justifying the deceptive and reactionary nature of bourgeois propaganda.’
It has been argued against me that, why should the masses need a single ideology if socialism is so obviously the best? Will they surely not choose socialism?
‘Socialist ideology develops the masses into independent people who are conscious of their independence and creative ability, while reactionary bourgeois ideas reduce them to servants who obey the domination of capital, to ideological and mental cripples.’
‘[Where]oppression and capital hold sway – the masses’ consciousness of their independence is suppressed. [By] falsehood and deception, imperialists and reactionaries benumb the masses’ uncorrupted minds…. This is the very ideological suppression which stops the development of people’s consciousness of their independence. It is criminal ideological indoctrination, which forces reactionary ideas on people.’
But!, you may say, how is socialism not ideological indoctrination?
‘[Under socialism]Only then can they free themselves once and for all from the influence and shackles of all kinds of outmoded ideas…. Only then can everyone develop his individuality, aspirations, wisdom and talent in an all-round way. Because it is the most revolutionary ideology and champions and realizes the masses independence, socialist ideology serves as a weapon for genuine ideological and human emancipation. It ensures the unlimited development of people’s ideologies and mental qualities. Socialist ideology is the sum total of the development of human ideas’
For Just Joe: Being someone who demands sovereignty and independence for their country, would you agree with this? You defame Kim Jong Il repeatedly, however how do you view him here:
‘Socialist ideology is a weapon for class emancipation as well as national liberation; it is genuine patriotism’
‘Imperialists trample upon the independence of other countries and nations, and incite antagonism and conflicts among nations. The capitalist road is a road of exploitation and oppression, of national inequality and subjugation. This is clearly proved by the history of oppressed nations which had been deprived of their national sovereignty and were forced to suffer at the hands of the imperialists’
‘It is a national duty to the world revolution for the working-class party and people of each country to bring about a successful revolution in their own country. To bring about a successful revolution in their own country they must love their country and nation and maintain their independence. Without realising their country’s and nation’s independence, it is impossible for the masses to win their own independence. Only someone who loves his country and nation can fight devotedly for socialism, with the attitude of being the master of revolution in his own country.’
‘Someone who loves his country and nation respects the sovereignty of other countries and nations and fights strongly against any encroachment of it. One’s national duty and international duty to the revolution are in unity, and communists who are unfailingly loyal to the cause of popular independence, are true patriots and, at the same time, genuine internationalists.’
For the anti-revisionists, you know who you are….. some thoughts from Kim Jong Il on revision of Marxism-Leninism in history.
‘Modern-day revisionists and renegade socialists have quibbled about their leader’s position and authority and destroyed the achievements gained by their revolutionary predecessors. They thus corrupted and demolished socialism and tarnished its image.’
‘If ideological work is not carried out, people’s revolutionary enthusiasm may gradually cool down. The tendency to live in comfort may grow among them, since they are free from any worries in socialist society and continue to lead stable lives. Then they cannot devote themselves to the struggle of socialism and worse still, they may be duped by misleading imperialists’ and reactionary propaganda into harbouring illusions about capitalism and going the length of betraying socialism. This is testified by how socialism collapsed in several countries which abandoned ideological work and opened their door to the ideological and cultural infiltration of imperialism.’
(Edited by Chairman Mao at 8:08 pm on Mar. 5, 2003)
Firstly, many have seemed to think that I want to suppress the entire bourgeois class, this is not true, simply bourgeois thought.
‘Even a man from the propertied class can become a socialist revolutionary when he is awakened ideologically…. A working class man does not necessarily acquire a revolutionary ideology.’
‘Our ideological work shows that, if ideological work is conducted vigorously to equip people with socialist ideology in socialist society, people from all walks of life can be transformed along socialist lines.’
People have questioned the one party system and the reason for suppressing bourgeois thought. They have stated that a multi party system is needed to represent many different interests. They have criticised me saying I do not allow freedom of speech.
‘In capitalist society, where society is split into classes and people’s interests conflict, one ideology cannot hold undivided sway and it is inevitable that different ideas exist. The imperialists and their mouthpieces claim the existence of these ideas is a source of pride for the “free world”. However, progressive ideas can never develop freely in a capitalist society, where the means of propaganda such a education and the mass media are in the hands of the monopoly capitalists and reactionary rulers.’
‘The reactionary bourgeois ruling class tolerates progressive ideas to some extent, to make capitalist society seem democratic; but when they are considered the slightest threat to its ruling system, it mercilessly oppresses them.’
‘The “freedom” of ideology talked about by imperialists is a deceptive slogan to dress up their oppression of progressive ideas in capitalist society and their resorting to every method to propagate reactionary bourgeois ideas. It is a deceptive slogan to justify their ideological and cultural infiltration into other countries.’
‘Only in socialist society, where exploitation, oppression and class antagonisms have been eliminated, can all members of society be equipped with a single ideology, because of their common aspirations, purpose and interests.’
‘Imperialists and renegade socialists abuse the ideological education carried out in a socialist society as “regimentation” and “ideological indoctrination”. This is an absurd fabrication that throws mud at socialism. It is a falsehood aimed at justifying the deceptive and reactionary nature of bourgeois propaganda.’
It has been argued against me that, why should the masses need a single ideology if socialism is so obviously the best? Will they surely not choose socialism?
‘Socialist ideology develops the masses into independent people who are conscious of their independence and creative ability, while reactionary bourgeois ideas reduce them to servants who obey the domination of capital, to ideological and mental cripples.’
‘[Where]oppression and capital hold sway – the masses’ consciousness of their independence is suppressed. [By] falsehood and deception, imperialists and reactionaries benumb the masses’ uncorrupted minds…. This is the very ideological suppression which stops the development of people’s consciousness of their independence. It is criminal ideological indoctrination, which forces reactionary ideas on people.’
But!, you may say, how is socialism not ideological indoctrination?
‘[Under socialism]Only then can they free themselves once and for all from the influence and shackles of all kinds of outmoded ideas…. Only then can everyone develop his individuality, aspirations, wisdom and talent in an all-round way. Because it is the most revolutionary ideology and champions and realizes the masses independence, socialist ideology serves as a weapon for genuine ideological and human emancipation. It ensures the unlimited development of people’s ideologies and mental qualities. Socialist ideology is the sum total of the development of human ideas’
For Just Joe: Being someone who demands sovereignty and independence for their country, would you agree with this? You defame Kim Jong Il repeatedly, however how do you view him here:
‘Socialist ideology is a weapon for class emancipation as well as national liberation; it is genuine patriotism’
‘Imperialists trample upon the independence of other countries and nations, and incite antagonism and conflicts among nations. The capitalist road is a road of exploitation and oppression, of national inequality and subjugation. This is clearly proved by the history of oppressed nations which had been deprived of their national sovereignty and were forced to suffer at the hands of the imperialists’
‘It is a national duty to the world revolution for the working-class party and people of each country to bring about a successful revolution in their own country. To bring about a successful revolution in their own country they must love their country and nation and maintain their independence. Without realising their country’s and nation’s independence, it is impossible for the masses to win their own independence. Only someone who loves his country and nation can fight devotedly for socialism, with the attitude of being the master of revolution in his own country.’
‘Someone who loves his country and nation respects the sovereignty of other countries and nations and fights strongly against any encroachment of it. One’s national duty and international duty to the revolution are in unity, and communists who are unfailingly loyal to the cause of popular independence, are true patriots and, at the same time, genuine internationalists.’
For the anti-revisionists, you know who you are….. some thoughts from Kim Jong Il on revision of Marxism-Leninism in history.
‘Modern-day revisionists and renegade socialists have quibbled about their leader’s position and authority and destroyed the achievements gained by their revolutionary predecessors. They thus corrupted and demolished socialism and tarnished its image.’
‘If ideological work is not carried out, people’s revolutionary enthusiasm may gradually cool down. The tendency to live in comfort may grow among them, since they are free from any worries in socialist society and continue to lead stable lives. Then they cannot devote themselves to the struggle of socialism and worse still, they may be duped by misleading imperialists’ and reactionary propaganda into harbouring illusions about capitalism and going the length of betraying socialism. This is testified by how socialism collapsed in several countries which abandoned ideological work and opened their door to the ideological and cultural infiltration of imperialism.’
(Edited by Chairman Mao at 8:08 pm on Mar. 5, 2003)