war, conflict and communism

[danyboy27]

i heard a lot of communists affirming that global communist will make cease all war and conflict.

seriously anyone actually buy that? i call it bullshit.
i do think that we could achieve a certain degree of global armony,but war will always be there, in a way or another.

without accepting that fact, we fail to come up with credible stuff of a future society.

[RGacky3]

During the last 200 years count the number of wars you remember in your head, now count how many of them had to do with conflicts that were fundementally economic in nature. Pretty much all of them.

[pusher robot]

During the last 200 years count the number of wars you remember in your head, now count how many of them had to do with conflicts that were fundementally economic in nature. Pretty much all of them.

So? Neither socialism nor communism will eliminate economics.

[Dean]

So? Neither socialism nor communism will eliminate economics.

They wil eliminate economic competition, however.

[Decolonize The Left]

i heard a lot of communists affirming that global communist will make cease all war and conflict.

seriously anyone actually buy that? i call it bullshit.
i do think that we could achieve a certain degree of global armony,but war will always be there, in a way or another.

without accepting that fact, we fail to come up with credible stuff of a future society.

Umm.. this is seriously problematic. You have basically said this:
"Communism claims X. X is impossible, so communism is not credible."

You're just claiming peace is impossible, so you're argument is no more valid than the strawman argument you set up in the first place... You say there will always be war, but you have no justification. History? Fine, but communism is an 'end' to history as we conventionally understand it. So you see that you will need plenty more justification and rational argumentation if you wish to hold your position.

- August

[Slovo]

Communists don't believe that all conflict will cease with a communist economic system.
However, as others have mentioned overwhelmingly the greatest cause of conflict is economic competition, striving for control of resources, of territory etc. etc.
Removing the economic incentives for conflict between groups of people - conflict essentially occours within the context of power relationships between groups of people - will to the greatest possible extent prevent wars and conflict.

Economic and social equality means that certain groups of people will have no economic or social interests that are in conflict with others.

I doubt any communist will claim that people will no longer fight about things, of course that's true, but I think maybe what you've heard communists advocate has been taken a little too... hyperbolically (is that a word? if not, you know what I mean ;))

[Red_or_Dead]

i heard a lot of communists affirming that global communist will make cease all war and conflict.

seriously anyone actually buy that? i call it bullshit.
i do think that we could achieve a certain degree of global armony,but war will always be there, in a way or another.

without accepting that fact, we fail to come up with credible stuff of a future society.

Who will fight in those wars, when there will be no states and no armies?

[Slovo]

What do you mean no 'armies'? I believe this is a contested point, am I right?

I mean, I would think there should be some sort of defense force, obviously not in the same form it exists under capitalism, however (I'm afraid defense isn't something I've discussed too often ;)).

[Bud Struggle]

What do you mean no 'armies'? I believe this is a contested point, am I right?

I mean, I would think there should be some sort of defense force, obviously not in the same form it exists under capitalism, however (I'm afraid defense isn't something I've discussed too often ;)).

I believe "real" Communism can exist only when the entire world is Communist, so at that point there won't be any need for an army or a defense force--because all the world will in effect be one country.

[jasmine]

I believe "real" Communism can exist only when the entire world is Communist, so at that point there won't be any need for an army or a defense force--because all the world will in effect be one country.


One country or one state? There's a big difference. The Soviet Union was one state but many countries. Yugoslavia also. You can suppress national/ethnic differences (Stalin and Tito did so for decades) but eliminating them is a different question.

It's not just a matter of economics - nationalism/ethnicity have a powerful and poisonous grip on the hearts and minds of millions of people.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

This is a moot point. Since a communist world will never exist, it's a waste of time to postulate on how peaceful and wonderful it will be.

Human beings will always be fighting some force for something.

[Killfacer]

no armies? Who will crush the counter revolutionaries.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

The use of warfare has actually decreased dramatically during the 20th century. For all its hiccups (WW1, WW2, Cold War), you should still count yourself lucky. Only a few hundred years ago entire villages were burned to the ground and mass rape was commonplace. If 70% of the population lived, it was through compassion.

Global peace sounds fanciful, but I think we're reaching the point where large-scale destruction is becoming another antique.

[danyboy27]

even if global unity happen one day, we will have to manage many important internal conflict such has insurection, rebels groups etc.

i cant really explain it yet, but i got the feeling that war will always be there.Stuff will change, the way its waged will change, but there will always have war, even if those dosnt implies high casualities.

the principle of universal peace is only possible if the whole world governement is perfect, and if communist is perfect.

communism like all economical and political systems come to fail in some way, make a certain number of the population unhappy.

i mean, look at the earth, its fucking huuge, no way we can manage that without making a decent number of hunhappy folks.

and if communism is really implented in order to make most people benefit from it, then we should accept the reality that if a communist world governement happen, there will be war against separatist groups, fanatics, etc.

just saying that everything will be gravy and fine is just not realistic.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

The use of warfare has actually decreased dramatically during the 20th century. For all its hiccups (WW1, WW2, Cold War), you should still count yourself lucky. Only a few hundred years ago entire villages were burned to the ground and mass rape was commonplace. If 70% of the population lived, it was through compassion.

Global peace sounds fanciful, but I think we're reaching the point where large-scale destruction is becoming another antique.

Now that we have the ability to begin and end the 3rd world war in about 30 minutes, I doubt we'll do it.