nanofibers

[Vallegrande]

I have been concerned about this phenomenon for the past couple of years.

I have noticed these little "fibers" under a 30x lens scope. They all have odd structures and various colors... some with a glow at the tip of the fiber. What's more is that these motherfuckers move! They almost look like an antenna that is searching for radio waves or some frequency. I put the lighted end of the scope on a string and it followed the light. I don't know if they are machines or living creatures.

But I'm at the conclusion that these are manmade nanofibers used by HAARP, possibly for: mind control, communication, or to keep track of everyone on Earth, etc. It pisses me off now, everytime I see those chemtrails up in the sky... because I know that's where the fibers are coming from. Just do some google or youtube on this shit.

The CDC admits there is an emerging disease called "morgellons", described as unknown dermopathy, with "fibers" coming out of the skin. What the fuck!

Ok... maybe there are solutions. Something called the cloudbuster (aka chembuster), or better known as orgonite. It literally busts clouds that you point in the direction to. I know it is simple to make, but I have yet to make one. I know the mind is powerful too, but dammit we are being fucked with!

I hope I'm not crazy. I try to convince those closest to me... with little progress. Please help with this thread if any of you know what I am talking about.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I have noticed these little "fibers" under a 30x lens scope. They all have odd structures and various colors... some with a glow at the tip of the fiber. What's more is that these motherfuckers move! They almost look like an antenna that is searching for radio waves or some frequency. I put the lighted end of the scope on a string and it followed the light. I don't know if they are machines or living creatures.

Sounds like optical fibres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_Fiber).

Where have you found them?


But I'm at the conclusion that these are manmade nanofibers used by HAARP, possibly for: mind control, communication, or to keep track of everyone on Earth, etc. It pisses me off now, everytime I see those chemtrails up in the sky... because I know that's where the fibers are coming from. Just do some google or youtube on this shit.How did you come to this conclusion?

What have optical fibres got to do with the ionosphere, which HAARP was set up to study?

How does mind control work?

Fibre optics are indeed used for communication, but there is nothing sinister about that - high-speed phone/internet lines use them.

How would a point-to-point system like fibre optics keep track of anything, especially mobil and unconnected targets like people and vehicles?

Chemtrails do not exist. They are simply airplane contrails that scare the paranoid, delusional and the ignorant. Neither are they used for laying down fibre optics.

Google and YouTube are not reliable sources, to say the least.


The CDC admits there is an emerging disease called "morgellons", described as unknown dermopathy, with "fibers" coming out of the skin. What the fuck!The fibres from Morgellons appear to be textile in nature, and the CDC has yet to come to a conclusion about this condition.

What it has to do with fibre optics, aircraft contrails and HAARP, you tell me.


Ok... maybe there are solutions. Something called the cloudbuster (aka chembuster), or better known as orgonite. It literally busts clouds that you point in the direction to. I know it is simple to make, but I have yet to make one. I know the mind is powerful too, but dammit we are being fucked with!You have provided no evidence for this conclusion. Personally, I think people are getting worked up over nothing and seeing connections that don't exist.


I hope I'm not crazy. I try to convince those closest to me... with little progress. Please help with this thread if any of you know what I am talking about.I think that perhaps you need to apply considerably more skepticism than you currently do.

[Vallegrande]

Optical fibers... are there many other types of fibers?

I really don't know. I have no background in nanotechnology, and I have only noticed this through observation and curiosity. It was when I saw the youtube of morgellons fibers that I started thinking these were similar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr7-80_vKvg&feature=related
Is this movement normal?


Where have you found them?
I have found them virtually everywhere. I especially found them on plants, on clothes, anywhere that I see a dangling strand I tend to look under the 30x now. I don't have any higher strength lens, but I do notice movement similar to this video clip.



What have optical fibres got to do with the ionosphere, which HAARP was set up to study?

How does mind control work?

Fibre optics are indeed used for communication, but there is nothing sinister about that - high-speed phone/internet lines use them.


I jump to conclusions. What I said about HAARP, chemtrails, morgellons, could all be false. I am just curious at something that I am finding ever increasingly in the environment. I find tufts of fibers off plants now, even fruit plants.


Chemtrails do not exist. They are simply airplane contrails that scare the paranoid, delusional and the ignorant. Neither are they used for laying down fibre optics.

Then why have I found these things everywhere? It's coming from something.



How would a point-to-point system like fibre optics keep track of anything, especially mobil and unconnected targets like people and vehicles?
I have wondered that as well. I'm thinking that these can stick to anything, because I found how hard it was to pry one from a plant without breaking it. It has small granules that I have no idea what they are, maybe metallic in nature. But when I put the fiber and plant in contact again, it seemed as if the fiber was magnetically attracted to the plant.

Nanoparticles can also travel through the lungs, then enter the brain, etc. for medicine right? And there is a reproductive and mutative nature about them too? But from this point, I don't know what I'm talking about.


The fibres from Morgellons appear to be textile in nature, and the CDC has yet to come to a conclusion about this condition.

Because they have just admitted that there is such a disease. It's going to take some time before real answers come out. Does this article have any significance?
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19526210.700-morgellons-disease-the-itch-that-wont-be-scratched. (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19526210.700-morgellons-disease-the-itch-that-wont-be-scratched) "fibres from different people looked remarkebly similar to each other and yet seemed to match no common environmental fibres"..."forensics experts agreed that the fibres were not from clothing, carpets, towels or bedding...were unable to match the fibres to any of the 880 compounds commonly used in manufacturing commercial fibers. Dye-extracting solvents released no colouration."


What it has to do with fibre optics, aircraft contrails and HAARP, you tell me.
Again I don't know, which is why I question and try to find answers. If it is true that nanofibers can mutate with whatever they interact with, reproduce, and spread new fibers..

I just know that it isn't normal to find tufts of fibers on the fruits of plants. If the plant has hairs or resin glands, it is especially more prone to have these fibers.

Google, youtube, etc, of course they are not reliable. But that's the only way to really search for something that I am not specialized in. That's why I want to find concrete answers for the things I am seeing, if there are any good sources to look for.

Thanks NoXion for the reply. You gave some really good questions. My first post was pretty much a rant. I am no expert in this field, but I observe.

[Luís Henrique]

Optical fibers... are there many other types of fibers?

Look at your clothes. They are made of fibers. But not optical fibers.

Luís Henrique

[mikelepore]

Are you talking about fullerenes, which are carbon? This is a very promising technology. Until a few years ago people thought that graphite (amorphous structure) and diamond (lattice structure) were the only possible forms of carbon, but then they discovered two dimensional sheets with a thickness of one atom. Many things can can be done with these carbon atom sheets. If you wrap it into a sphere, C60 makes a very stable sphere, other atoms can be enclosed inside it. If you roll it into a cylinder, you can make a long thread to weave with. There is hope for developing new materials with very low density and high strength. People might be able to make aircraft and buildings by weaving them like cloth.

[Dystisis]

Are you talking about fullerenes, which are carbon? This is a very promising technology. Until a few years ago people thought that graphite (amorphous structure) and diamond (lattice structure) were the only possible forms of carbon, but then they discovered two dimensional sheets with a thickness of one atom. Many things can can be done with these carbon atom sheets. If you wrap it into a sphere, C60 makes a very stable sphere, other atoms can be enclosed inside it. If you roll it into a cylinder, you can make a long thread to weave with. There is hope for developing new materials with very low density and high strength. People might be able to make aircraft and buildings by weaving them like cloth.
That sounds very interesting indeed. Can I ask what field of work you are in, you seem to know quite a deal about this.

[Raúl Duke]

Can I ask what field of work you are in, you seem to know quite a deal about this.

I'll hazard a guess. It's either nanotechnology or maybe "molecular engineering" (does that exist?)

I entered this thread thinking it was something serious about nanotech but...

[Vallegrande]

I dont know what type of fiber it is. Obviously there are hundreds of fibers.

But is it normal to see tufts of fibers that move, living on plants? Possibly reproducing on plants?

I'm talking about the unknown fibers that a recent study found.

Im just thinking about the possibility that the fibers can grow on soil, plants, animals, even us.

I was reading that some nanofibers can regenerate to produce new fibers. They can also transfer DNA. This is my main concern.

[Vallegrande]

Does nanotechnology plus genetic engineering have any danger?

[Luís Henrique]

But is it normal to see tufts of fibers that move, living on plants? Possibly reproducing on plants?

No. Fibers aren't alive at all. If they "move", it must be because they are being moved (wind, your own respiration, plant movements). And have you ever seen they reproducing?


Im just thinking about the possibility that the fibers can grow on soil, plants, animals, even us.

Some can - vegetal fibers grow on plants, animal fibers grow on animals. Nanofibers are manufactured, they do not grow.


I was reading that some nanofibers can regenerate to produce new fibers. They can also transfer DNA. This is my main concern.

No, they have no DNA at all. May I suggest that the article that you read on this issue is wrong?

Luís Henrique

[Jazzratt]

I was reading that some nanofibers can regenerate to produce new fibers. They can also transfer DNA. This is my main concern.

So, nanotechniology (which is still in its infancy) can produce not only the synthetic nanofibers but they can also self replicate? And someone has managed to keep this entirely secret from everyone but a handful of people gazing at vegetables through a 30x scope?

[Vallegrande]

No. Fibers aren't alive at all. If they "move", it must be because they are being moved (wind, your own respiration, plant movements). And have you ever seen they reproducing?

I have not seen them reproduce. Did you even look at the video clip of morgellons in a controlled lab? Wind is not a factor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQdjF-KF1PQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQdjF-KF1PQ)



Nanofibers are manufactured, they do not grow.

Then what does this mean? http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001315.html
"By using an array of millions of carbon nanofibers that can be grown on various platforms -- or substrates -- we can streamline a proven technique for altering the DNA content of a cell," McKnight said.

This means they can grow off of a “substrate”. Basically all they need are nutrients.

And I’m talking about the unknown fibers out of the “880 compounds commonly used in manufacturing commercial fibers.”


Nanofibers are used for genetic engineering.
“Of particular interest is the fact that the new method allows researchers to attach DNA to the nanofibers. When they insert these nanofibers into cells, the DNA can be used to program the cell to produce new proteins, but it is not free to move around within the cell. As such, it has a less likely chance of inserting into the cell's chromosomes or being segregated to daughter cells when the cell divides. Mike Simpson of the group has somewhat paradoxically called this a "non-inheritable genetic modification"…“In addition, ORNL is pursuing the technique for transdermal drug or gene delivery, whereby a small nanofiber-based chip could be attached to the skin and would inject the drug or genes into the body.”
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001315.html (http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001315.html)



So, nanotechniology (which is still in its infancy) can produce not only the synthetic nanofibers but they can also self replicate? And someone has managed to keep this entirely secret from everyone but a handful of people gazing at vegetables through a 30x scope?

If they can "grow" then all they need are soil, plants, people, air, water.

[Vallegrande]

Self replicating nanofibers
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6X1J-473S0K6-J&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=1b11a8897114b11e554eb010c15535f5 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6X1J-473S0K6-J&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=1b11a8897114b11e554eb010c15535f5)
"Unexpectedly, the researchers found that the nanotubes can catalyze their own formation via a self-seeding mechanism. “Such behavior is very reminiscent of living systems, in that they replicate and adapt to their environment,” observes Fenniri. It could, he suggests, have potential for self-replicating and adaptive materials."

[mikelepore]

That sounds very interesting indeed. Can I ask what field of work you are in, you seem to know quite a deal about this.

I received an MS EE degree and worked as a computer chip designer at IBM for 18 years. Then I went back to grad school for physics and secondary education, originally planning to teach physics. But after having only some temporary teaching jobs I got distracted by unrelated things.

[mikelepore]

When people say a material is "grown" on a substrate they don't mean the kind of growth associated with life. Sometimes they use a small sample of the desired solid material placed on a substrate (a rigid bottom layer), and then it's surrounded with the gas form of the desired material. The atoms in the gas slowly attach themselves to the solid, so we can see the solid growing. Sometimes they use an electric field to make ions of the "source" material travel to the "target" material. A general name for such techniques is physical vapor deposition. There are several methods. You can do a search online for sputtering. That's how they make those mirror-surface Christmas tree decorations that are glass spheres with thin metallic coatings - they are glass sputtered with metal.

[Vallegrande]

mikelepore, do you know about the possibilities of nanofibers that can transfer DNA as well as self replicate? They may not be growing, but how do they self replicate? Are they actually sucking nutrients to get that energy? It almost sounds alive.

Nanotechnology is doing some heavy research on the biological aspects. This makes me wonder about the possibilities of these fibers escaping into the natural environment, growing on their own. And possibly this is linked to that morgellons disease.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

mikelepore, do you know about the possibilities of nanofibers that can transfer DNA as well as self replicate? They may not be growing, but how do they self replicate? Are they actually sucking nutrients to get that energy? It almost sounds alive.

Wait a minute! How do you know anything about the DNA content of these alleged fibres?


Nanotechnology is doing some heavy research on the biological aspects. This makes me wonder about the possibilities of these fibers escaping into the natural environment, growing on their own. And possibly this is linked to that morgellons disease.

Well, some evidence would be nice, for a start.

Self-reproducing nanotechnology is way beyond our current level of expertise.

[mikelepore]

No, I don't know anything about miniature manufacuring that today includes DNA or that self-replicates.

[Luís Henrique]

mikelepore, do you know about the possibilities of nanofibers that can transfer DNA as well as self replicate? They may not be growing, but how do they self replicate? Are they actually sucking nutrients to get that energy? It almost sounds alive.

You are misunderstanding things.

Nanofibers can be used to insert DNA into cells - just like a spoon can be used to insert chocolate or coffee into a cup of milk, or a hypodermic needle can be used to insert medicine into a human body.

Also, anything you are seeing with a 30x magnifying glass or microscope is definitely not a nanofiber; you would need an electronic microscope to see one of these.

Luís Henrique