No wonder people are capitalists!

[Drace]

Look at this..

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/communism.htm (http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htmhttp://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htmhttp://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htmhttp://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htm)

And this..

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/fall-of-communism-in-russia-faq.htm

And this video is supposed to be anti - communist.

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htm (http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htm)


I don't suppose this is the only crazy site talking shit it doesn't know about. Looks like its a religious freak o.o

Btw, can someone tell me as to why communism failed in Russia? Was it communism that failed?

[Winter]

LOL, it's a Christian site posing as a Philosophy site.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Look at this..
Btw, can someone tell me as to why communism failed in Russia? Was it communism that failed?

communism didnt exist in Russia. its very debatable what Russia was during the time of the Soviet Union.

Some leftists consider the Soviet Union to be a socialist state, while others call it a degenerated/deformed workers state. shit, some people call it a totalitarian dictatorship. but it wasnt communism thats for sure.

IMO, basically the Soviet Union model of socialism failed because the state was overly bureaucratic, and workers didn't have political power. surely there are other reasons why, but ill let someone more knowledgeable on the subject answer that.

[Incendiarism]

Btw, can someone tell me as to why communism failed in Russia? Was it communism that failed?

Well, it wasn't communism in the true sense of the word, but it's still up in the air as to what exactly the USSR was. These questions depend largely on who you're asking, but in my personal opinion the bureaucracy was used to dismiss the marxist-leninists from their positions post-Stalin and thus began the road to capitalism.

[Chapter 24]

Well, all of those links above are presenting communism in a negative fashion, but then they are only the tip of the iceburg of propaganda and are not the reasons why people are "capitalists". People in the first world presently are distrustful and in general dislike communism beause of decades of Cold War propaganda.
But I disagree with your assumption that people are "capitalists". Workers cannot be capitalists as they do not own, but rather operate by using their labor, the means of production. However, I would agree that the majority are under the impression that capitalism=good, communism=bad.

[Trystan]

Look at this..

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/communism.htm (http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htmhttp://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htmhttp://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htmhttp://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htm)

And this..

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/fall-of-communism-in-russia-faq.htm

And this video is supposed to be anti - communist.

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htm (http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htm)


I don't suppose this is the only crazy site talking shit it doesn't know about. Looks like its a religious freak o.o

Btw, can someone tell me as to why communism failed in Russia? Was it communism that failed?

I've seen that site, and it's one of the most intellectually dishonest on the internet. For example, on communism they quote Frank Zapa (yes, Frank fucking Zappa): "communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff".

That's it. That's their analysis in communism per se. A scholar like Frank Zappa. That's why communism is "bound to fail" And the sad thing is is that it's one of the first articles you come across on searching for 'communism. '

[Drace]

"communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff". "

LOL that seriously made me laugh. "Own stuff", cmon!


But I disagree with your assumption that people are "capitalists"

Yea I realized that I shouldn't of had used the term capitalist right after I made the post.

[redarmyfaction38]

Look at this..

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/communism.htm (http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htmhttp://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htmhttp://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htmhttp://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htm)

And this..

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/fall-of-communism-in-russia-faq.htm

And this video is supposed to be anti - communist.

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htm (http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality-video.htm)


I don't suppose this is the only crazy site talking shit it doesn't know about. Looks like its a religious freak o.o

Btw, can someone tell me as to why communism failed in Russia? Was it communism that failed?

communism in the former "soviet union" died during the russian civil war, the revolution had been won, the "whites" were a defeated minority until the capitalist powers sent in the "armies of intervention".
"war communism" was born, it managed to defeat the capitalist powers but laid the ground for stalins counter revolution and the "deformed workers state" or "state capitalist" ussr.
i've never been happy with either of those definitions but can't think of any "better" ones.
maybe it started as the first and denigrated to the second which led to the fall of the ussr as a political entity.
interesting facts emerge though, since the demise of the ussr an the eastern bloc.
in russia, it is only doubtful political alliances between "democratic" and "nationalist" parties that prevent the "communist party" and its "allies" being elected. they command something like 40% of the vote.
in east germany, "the left" would have been elected to power had east germany remained a seperate nation. "the left" included the old east german "communist parrty".
make what you will of that.

[Drace]

So there are no existing true communist nations?

Does this mean that our goal is rather quite hard to achieve?

[Bilan]

communism didnt exist in Russia. its very debatable what Russia was during the time of the Soviet Union.

Some leftists consider the Soviet Union to be a socialist state, while others call it a degenerated/deformed workers state. shit, some people call it a totalitarian dictatorship. but it wasnt communism thats for sure.

IMO, basically the Soviet Union model of socialism failed because the state was overly bureaucratic, and workers didn't have political power. surely there are other reasons why, but ill let someone more knowledgeable on the subject answer that.

The debate is absurd. The USSR was State Capitalist, as Lenin himself said in Left Wing Childness and Petit Bourgeois Mentality. (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/may/09.htm)
Trying to pass it off as socialist is just ludicrous.

[Sam_b]

So there are no existing true communist nations?

The idea of a 'communist nation' is a contradiction in terms. Communists believe in a stateless and classless system, and thus nation states are a direct barrier to this aim.

[Bilan]

So there are no existing true communist nations?

Does this mean that our goal is rather quite hard to achieve?

There are no "communist nations", no.
And yes, of course it will be difficult. We're faced with some pretty massive obstacles.
But difficulty is not something that should throw you off. :)

[More Fire for the People]

The only reason I would want to be capitalist is the shitload of money. Imagine, having any car, any apparel, any house, any watch, any anything you wanted with some paper. All in a world will most people live in poverty. It's a real logical system you see, in a world of abundance that can provide for all, a few have most of the stuff because of ... paper?

[redarmyfaction38]

The debate is absurd. The USSR was State Capitalist, as Lenin himself said in Left Wing Childness and Petit Bourgeois Mentality. (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/may/09.htm)
Trying to pass it off as socialist is just ludicrous.

i didn't think anybody was trying to pass the ussr off as socialist?
what was asked was what was it?
"staTE CAPITALIST" soz fat fingers, what the fuck does that actually mean?
i can understand that term in relation to britains "nationalised industries", but i can't entirely relate it to the former ussr.
neither can i accept the deformed workers state analysis.
it might have begun as the dws and become the other, but i don't think it was sc, it just doesn't sit right.
btw, lenin, trotsky, marx, hiegel, nietsche etc. just people mate.