Another Excellent Quote

[Old Friend]

This guy understood it.

"Behind, and underneath, my own determination to drive from our midst the agents of Bolshevism. I have discovered the hysterical methods of these revolutionary humans. I have been asked to what extent deportation will check radicalism in this country. Why not ask what will become of the United States Government if these alien radicals carry out the principles of the Communist Party?

In place of the United States Government we would have the horror and terrorism of Bolshevik tyranny such as the destroying Russia now. The whole purpose of communism appears to be the mass formation of the criminals of the world to overthrow the decencies of private life, to usurp property, to disrupt the present order of life regardless of health, sex or religious rights.

These are the revolutionary tenets of the Communist Internationale. These include the IWW's, the most radical socialists, the misguided anarchists, the agitators who oppose the limitations of unionism, the moral perverts and the hysterical neurasthenic women who abound in communism." - Mitchell Palmer, The Case Against the Reds (1920)

[Alpha66]

I salute you Old Friend!

[Just Joe]

i ask myself why would a die hard capitalist inhabit a place with a name like Che-Lives?....

....ah yes! to spam and troll and enjoy the reaction he gets.

[Saint-Just]

'to overthrow the decencies of private life, to usurp property'

This quote seems to relegate right-wing capitalist ideology simply to a fear of losing their class status to socialism:

'to disrupt present order of life regardless of health, sex or religious rights.'

What about life regardless of money?

[Hegemonicretribution]

Quote: from Chairman Mao on 1:03 pm on Feb. 26, 2003
'to overthrow the decencies of private life, to usurp property'

This quote seems to relegate right-wing capitalist ideology simply to a fear of losing their class status to socialism:


Whats wrong with that? Isn't that all it is ;)?

[American Kid]

i ask myself why would a die hard capitalist inhabit a place with a name like Che-Lives?....

....ah yes! to spam and troll and enjoy the reaction he gets. <------------------ total bollucks.

-AK

[CruelVerdad]

I respect right winger, but don´t like them, how can they think as they think, they only care about individual interests...
I accept that extreme communism is bad, but communism and socialism are only looking for equality...
Don´t you guy want equality??!!

[von Mises]

Communinist people treat everyone as being equal (in real life this means equally poor) as opposed to liberal capitalists who see every individual as an unique person, and everyone can do or speak as he wishes without interfering someone else's freedom.

It's really sad to see so many people deprived of any decent knowlegde about liberalism or capitalism in order to have better arguments than these inbreed one-liners I read here too often.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to you CruelVerdad, but the USA is more a socialist state than a true capitalist state. Real capitalism doesn't exist on this planet.

[Larissa]

Quote: from Chairman Mao on 10:03 am on Feb. 26, 2003

What about life regardless of money?[/br]
Cappies only know what money is about, it means everything for them, but they don't give a damn about life itslef, regardless of money. And this is the main difference between them and us.

[Moskitto]

hysterical neurasthenic women who abound in communism

this was written in annother age.

[Larissa]

Moskitto, you are aboslutely right. Actually, the whole stuff has been written in another age.
e.g., " The whole purpose of communism appears to be the mass formation of the criminals of the world to overthrow the decencies of private life, to usurp property, to disrupt the present order of life regardless of health, sex or religious rights. "
I wonder: what about human rights that cappies destroy with their everyday selfishness. What about the starving children who die everyday thanks to the "sole purpose of the self-benefits" of the capitalist system??"

The main problem cappies have, has just been well exposed by OldFried Norman in his "excellent" quote: Capitalism is the most selfish, anti-humanitarian system ever.

(Edited by Larissa at 4:46 pm on Feb. 27, 2003)

[Just Joe]

Quote: from American Kid on 8:49 pm on Feb. 26, 2003
i ask myself why would a die hard capitalist inhabit a place with a name like Che-Lives?....

....ah yes! to spam and troll and enjoy the reaction he gets. <------------------ total bollucks.

-AK



tell me the reason then.

[honest intellectual]

Quote: from Old Friend on 10:04 am on Feb. 26, 2003
This guy understood it.

"Behind, and underneath, my own determination to drive from our midst the agents of Bolshevism. I have discovered the hysterical methods of these revolutionary humans. I have been asked to what extent deportation will check radicalism in this country. Why not ask what will become of the United States Government if these alien radicals carry out the principles of the Communist Party?

In place of the United States Government we would have the horror and terrorism of Bolshevik tyranny such as the destroying Russia now. The whole purpose of communism appears to be the mass formation of the criminals of the world to overthrow the decencies of private life, to usurp property, to disrupt the present order of life regardless of health, sex or religious rights.

These are the revolutionary tenets of the Communist Internationale. These include the IWW's, the most radical socialists, the misguided anarchists, the agitators who oppose the limitations of unionism, the moral perverts and the hysterical neurasthenic women who abound in communism." - Mitchell Palmer, The Case Against the Reds (1920)
I agree with most of this; this is anti-bolshevik, not anti-socialist

[Xvall]

I don't mean to be disrespectful to you CruelVerdad, but the USA is more a socialist state than a true capitalist state. Real capitalism doesn't exist on this planet.

Sorry, I'm just finding this REALLY interesting. An anarcho-communist or anarcho-socialist will say the exact converse of what you have stated. That being, that the USA is far more of a capitalist state than a real communist state, and that real communism does not exists on this planet. I'm not bashing you; I just found this very interesting. I really doubt that any of the 'republicans' on this board will accept your belief that the United States is socialistic; just as none of the 'authoritarians' on this board will accept an anarcho-communist's claim that the Soviet Union was nothing more than a state monopoly.

[Som]

I don't mean to be disrespectful to you CruelVerdad, but the USA is more a socialist state than a true capitalist state. Real capitalism doesn't exist on this planet.

I know what you mean by this, but calling the U.S. a socialist state is very off. Socialism in its most basic definition means public ownership over private ownership. The U.S. doesn't fit that definition at all.

I think the best term for the american economy is that its 'corporate mercantilist'.

[Old Friend]

No shit, this was written in another age. I posted it along with the quote, 1920 to be precise. You will all be happy to know that Mitchel Palmer is the man who gave J. Edgar Hoover his start in internal security. The fact that the quote is dated does not dillute the truth in the statement. It's funny how things have a way of remaining the same. Much of what he said applies today as well, since their is a conserted effort on the part of leftists to undermine democratic principles of the United States. Perhaps I could be the next Palmer, the guy who saved this country through the use of mass deportations of radical aliens.

It's time for another cleansing. The verminous left is stronger than ever. I blaim my grandparents generation as they clung to the "virtues" of the left during the great depression. Of course, this brand of thinking propagated among the next generation as they also had their minds twisted. The leftist movements in this country hit another apex in the 1960's, and the hippies have once again raised their children to believe in Marxism. I only fear that it is too late to save this country from the maggots who preach socialism.

[Palmares]

What truth???

[RedComrade]

Norm i think this is perhaps the most nauseating thing I have read of yours yet, the fact that #1 you would direspect my grandparents generation like that (I cant even begin to list all the hardships they endured!) when you have experienced at best a fifth of the troubles they have seen. They have seen a crisis of capitalism, and they turned to those "leftist" values precisely because of the fact that these leftist values were the solution from the cyclical crisis of capitalism, for all the ills of the soviet union you did not see it in an economic depression when the stock market hit! It was precisely the uncontained greed of the capitalist system that was the source of their problems! While my grandpa worked 12 hours a day for food assholes like the kennedy family lived on an estate and owned 6 mansions all over the country. If you truly have studied the great depression how could you disrespect these working class heros so greatly and also not at least nod your head to the left when capitalism was failing so badly ughhh i cant even put up a logical debate at this moment im so fucking disturbed by what you have said man. Have you ever known what its like to go hungry?, to work your hands to the bone for meager subsistance, have you been homeless?, have you slept in a barn and watched as your brothers and sisters and died from lack of nutrition and medical care? seriously Norm i hope this was a touch of McCarthyist humor and not serious because you have no idea who and what you have disrespected...

[Old Friend]

I stick to my words. Did I mean any disrespect to the elderly people who endured the 1929 Crash, the Dust bowl, the bottoming out of agricultural prices, or a time when 1/3 of the country was out of work? Did I mean to disrespect the generation that fought for the freedom of this nation and made great sacrifices to keep this nation growing? No. I meant only to disrespect the socialist tendencies that many of that generation took to. I do have a problem with the way these leftist beliefs have hurt the political culture of this nation. I hate the folk music that glorified Marxism, in my grandfathers time, as well as my fathers time. I don't hate my parents or grandparents for having lived through those eras. I do hate the thinking that may have been popularized, as I am now becoming witness to the effects that it has on the future generations. I can only hope that the good people of America will take it upon themselves to counteract those tendencies.

I apologize if I presented my argument in such a way that it may have seemed disrespectful to the great Americans of that time. I think they have many traits that our generation could learn from. In fact, before my grandfather developed alzhiemers disease I used to love learning about his history, and the hardships of the great depression. He had much to teach me. He was not a socialist, but he was more liberal than I. Was his liberalism a product of his time? Sure. However, I often find myself correcting the liberal tendencies of my kin. These ideas were taught to them by somebody, and I have no problem telling them when they are wrong. Bottom line, my statements were meant to demonstrate my feelings toward a certain mode of thinking and were not to be applied to the cross section of the World War II generation. I had a feeling that you might take offense to that statement. I hope that clears the air. I love my grandparents too, and would not wish to bad mouth them in any way? They deserve the respect of all the snot noses of our generation.

(Edited by Old Friend at 11:25 am on Feb. 28, 2003)

[von Mises]

Corporate mercantilism is another to put it. We see the same thing here in Europe, you have two systems, socialism which as we know doesn't work in real life and capitalism, which is immoral but is better in line with human nature. What you get is a strange mix.

Corporations use the powers of the government to protect their own interest because having some sort of monopoly is always better than competing with cheaper third world producers. But this has nothing to do with capitalism. Next to that the governments steals from people's hard earned money to spend it on all kinds of things which most of you would oppose, such as subsidizing companies or anti-abortion groups.

This is why I don't have any problems with communists since my ideal world is just as far away as theirs is. In the mean time I would like to have more control over what I earn and you don't want a government either. I am not a selfcentered maniac, but at least give me the opportunity help people/organisations which I think need help most.