Russia-Georgia at war?

[Baconator]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080808/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Doesn't look too good. I'm thinking it's the blanket nationalism problem which occurred when Yugoslavia broke up. Hopefully the consequences won't be the same.

[Baconator]

Doesn't look too good. I'm thinking it's the blanket nationalism problem which occurred when Yugoslavia broke up. Hopefully the consequences won't be the same.

The problem is ideologies spoon fed to people from the pulpit ( even the family and religion to some extent) for either side to claim morality. I bet you anything that both sides believe they are right just like in Ex-Yugoslavia.

P.S. My parents are from the Ex-Yugo :p

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

My moneys on Russia.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Waste of lives.

[?Stalins ghost?]

russia at war with estonia?
RUSSIA STANDS ACCUSED OF launching a cyber war against its Balitic neighbour Estonia. It seems that since Estonians removed a Soviet war memorial from central Tallinn three weeks ago, the Russians have taken umbrage with the country and unleashed a geek army which has sabotaged Estonian government web sites and those belong in to banks, political parties and other Estionian institutions.
Estonian authorities say the Distributed Denial of Service attacks originate from Russia. Russians have denied this pointing out that the computers in the attacks are located all over the world. A Zombie army is not ruled out, however.
Estonian government representatives have asked the EU and Nato for help in dealing with the pesky Ruskies.
Nato says it has sent its own geeks to Estonia in order to patch up its cyber defences. "This is an operational security issue, something we're taking very seriously," a Nato official told the gaurdian "It goes to the heart of the alliance's modus operandi."
Estonian defence minister, Jaak Aaviksoo said Nato does not define cyber-attacks as military action. "This means that the provisions of Article V of the North Atlantic Treaty, or, in other words collective self-defence, will not automatically be extended to the attacked country."
The Nato official who talked to The Guardian said, "I won't point fingers. But these were not things done by a few individuals. This clearly bore the hallmarks of something concerted. The Estonians are not alone with this problem. It really is a serious issue for the alliance as a whole."



It seems capitalisim has awoken the russian empire of old
imperialisim is the new russia
Estonia
Georgia
p_la_d?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

russia at war with estonia?
RUSSIA STANDS ACCUSED OF launching a cyber war against its Balitic neighbour Estonia. It seems that since Estonians removed a Soviet war memorial from central Tallinn three weeks ago, the Russians have taken umbrage with the country and unleashed a geek army which has sabotaged Estonian government web sites and those belong in to banks, political parties and other Estionian institutions.
Estonian authorities say the Distributed Denial of Service attacks originate from Russia. Russians have denied this pointing out that the computers in the attacks are located all over the world. A Zombie army is not ruled out, however.
Estonian government representatives have asked the EU and Nato for help in dealing with the pesky Ruskies.
Nato says it has sent its own geeks to Estonia in order to patch up its cyber defences. "This is an operational security issue, something we're taking very seriously," a Nato official told the gaurdian "It goes to the heart of the alliance's modus operandi."
Estonian defence minister, Jaak Aaviksoo said Nato does not define cyber-attacks as military action. "This means that the provisions of Article V of the North Atlantic Treaty, or, in other words collective self-defence, will not automatically be extended to the attacked country."
The Nato official who talked to The Guardian said, "I won't point fingers. But these were not things done by a few individuals. This clearly bore the hallmarks of something concerted. The Estonians are not alone with this problem. It really is a serious issue for the alliance as a whole."



It seems capitalisim has awoken the russian empire of old
imperialisim is the new russia
Estonia
Georgia
p_la_d?

I was thinking of this war (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7550354.stm) which may have claimed over 1,500 deaths so far.



Fucking ****s.

Poor old solders and civlains.

[Lost In Translation]

This will turn out ugly. Another conflict, just what we need. :(

[Bud Struggle]

Nationalism is in a way (with a small "f") fascism. "Us" to ourselves different than "you". the same could be said about the Israeli and Pasestinian problem--both sides nationalistic and fascistic in their isolation.

[Faction2008]

P.S. My parents are from the Ex-Yugo :p
Mine too and me:D

I think this is a terrible idea and someone just said, a waste of lives.

[Trystan]

Nationalism is in a way (with a small "f") fascism. "Us" to ourselves different than "you". the same could be said about the Israeli and Pasestinian problem--both sides nationalistic and fascistic in their isolation.

Ja, agreed. And I should know; I used to be one, for all my sins.

[Bud Struggle]

Ja, agreed. And I should know; I used to be one, for all my sins.

I used to be a Capitalist--(the other "C" word!) :lol::lol::lol:

[Trystan]

I used to be a Capitalist--(the other "C" word!) :lol::lol::lol:


Ohh, :ninja:

[Qwerty Dvorak]

This sucks, we get our oil from there.

[redSHARP]

OIL!!! USA is going to get involved because of oil. pipelines run all around that area and this situation needs to stop now or the world maybe fucked soon.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

It seems capitalisim has awoken the russian empire of old
imperialisim is the new russia
Estonia
Georgia
p_la_d?

Im no expert on the region, but isnt Russia protecting the rights of the South Ossetians, who gained autonomy several years ago, from the Georgians who want to force them back into their nation?

Perhaps Russia should take the stand Stalin did. As in, Invade all these nations and send hundreds of thousands of their civilians to foreign lands, chiefly Kazakhstan, in order to create a ethnic imbalance in which Moscow could exploit these people. What a grand idea.

[IcarusAngel]

Nationalism is in a way (with a small "f") fascism. "Us" to ourselves different than "you". the same could be said about the Israeli and Pasestinian problem--both sides nationalistic and fascistic in their isolation.

I live for a few days and TomK is making sense. What's going on? :laugh:

But yes, this is accurate. This analysis is very "Anatomy of Fascism."

[Schrödinger's Cat]

I can't say I feel much sympathy towards Georgia, only the people who have to die. You don't piss of Russia. I think history is that indicator.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

The worst victims here are, as always, the people of Ossetia themselves. Now admittedly I don't know much about this issue but from what I have read the Ossetians, north and south, have always been a distinctly Russian people and even the mainstream news sources concede that they seem to be Russian in all but name. With that in mind, I of course fully condemn the assault by Georgia on the sovereignty of these people who in my opinion simply want to be reunited with their Russian brethren in the north. The real tragedy in all of this however is that it is not about what the people of South Ossetia want. This conflict, like all conflicts in the region, is to be used as just another battleground between the east and west as part of their "cold" war (just like the original "Cold" War, which wasn't so cold in Korea, Vietnam etc.). I think that many Western leaders, or more specifically European leaders, have the ability to think rationally and critically about issues such as this. And I think that if this was just about South Ossetia and its people and nothing else, many in the west would come out in support of these people and their right to be reunited with their Russian compatriots. But this is not that conflict. This is about stopping Russia at all costs, and reinforcing Western dominance in the area. And to be honest, Russia is every bit as much to blame as the US, Nato and the EU, because in reality it is using South Ossetia as a way to exert its influence. I believe the people of South Ossetia want to be Russian, but not so that they can wage war on Europe or threaten the oil supply to the west. These are Russia's goals; they are the goals of the people giving their cash, and not their lives, to the struggle. But because they are Russia's goals, and because Russia is seeking to use this perfectly legitimate struggle to further these goals, the West is going to remain united in its support of Georgian "fuck you" nationalism/imperialism. And the people of Ossetia, north and south, will pay the price.

[danyboy27]

OIL!!! USA is going to get involved because of oil. pipelines run all around that area and this situation needs to stop now or the world maybe fucked soon.

the thing is, ATM, the russian got more natural ressource than the us, wich mean the russia have the biggest stick, wich mean, the georgian are fucked.

their military might is shrinking, loosing ship and tanks, its gonna cost a buck to rebuild all that shit.

[PigmerikanMao]

Georgia is a staunch US imperialist ally- Russia's attack serves as a means only to destabilize the Caucuses region and remove American support so to maintain the Russian kleptocracy's economic and political dominance in the area.
~PMao ;)

[Killfacer]

the worst thing is that Georgia thought the west were gonna come to their aid. Hardly likely NATO are gonna go to war with Russia because of Georgia.

It smacks of Russia nationalism and a leadership trying to make itself more popular. Conveniant isnt it that as soon as they invade a country, that country suddenly has committed genocide.

[Killfacer]

having seen newsnight, i wish to retract the above statement :p

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

the thing is, ATM, the russian got more natural ressource than the us, wich mean the russia have the biggest stick, wich mean, the georgian are fucked.

their military might is shrinking, loosing ship and tanks, its gonna cost a buck to rebuild all that shit.

That sucks. Here in the US, we choose military might over universal healthcare. Russia chooses military might over hospitals.