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Sentinel
6th August 2008, 23:01
After stumbling upon the wiki article about the Persian 'prophet' Mazdak (see discussion (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?t=80443&highlight=mazdak)), I came to wonder about exactly how many of these people who 'were before their time' there actually have been. I'm talking about influential people during the antiquity and medieval periods, who held views that could be considered egalitarian or progressive for their time -- or even by todays standards -- but whose ambitions were ruined due to the material conditions necessary not yet existing.

I'm also looking for people who unknowingly might have rolled the wheels of progress forward in exiting ways, had they succeeded. Most of these people were obviously, by communist standards, still extremely reactionary in various aspects, as they were products of their time -- remember that even the fathers of communism, Marx and Engels held some socially dubious views as they were born in the nineteenth century.

So, let's post examples!

I'll kick off with the brothers Tiberius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius_Gracchus) and Gaius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Gracchus) Sempronius Gracchus, who served as Tribunes of the Popular Assembly during the Roman republic. They weren't as radical as Mazdak, who tried to aboilish private property and marriage, but were certainly among the most progressive Roman politicians.

The older brother, Tiberius, was first elected in office and started fighting for a land reform aiming to redistribute the lands held by the wealthy Senatorial class to the landless war veterans and homeless of Rome. These lands had often been acquired by the rich by illegal means.

Aware of the opposition he would face in the Senate, he circumvented it and pressed for the matter in the Popular Assembly instead. The senators responded with getting their 'own man' as the second Popular tribune and had him veto Tiberius' proposals.

Tiberius, however, then started vetoing every decision he had to approve, and thus practically shut down the entire city and all production. This method eventually forced the Senate to comply and approve the land reform, but they still tried to sabotage in every way and refused to give Tiberius sufficient funds to work with.

However, at this point the filthy rich king Attalus of Pergamon happened to die and testament his country and all of his wealth to Rome (or this is at least how the Romans interpreted it -- the will only named P.R. as the king's heir, and the Romans comfortably read this as Populus Romanum, the people of Rome. Pergamon was immediately added as a province). Tiberius now managed to get this money for the execution of the land reform.

The Senate was now extremely annoyed with Tiberius Gracchus, and when he tried to get re-elected he was murdered in the Senate. The troubles for the rich bastards in the Senate weren't over with his death, however.

In the year 123 BC Tiberius younger brother Gaius was elected into the office of Popular Tribune. He would prove to be determined to see that the land reform happened, and added a few radical proposals of his own -- for instance to regulate the price of grain, to prevent corruption in the legal system, and to extend Roman citizenship to the populations of a number of Italian towns.

Gaius had the backing of the lower classes and managed to get elected into office twice, but failed the third time. Immediately after he was replaced the senate started to undo his hard-won reforms.

Unrest followed, and the senate ordered the execution of Gaius and his supporters. Gaius committed suicide with the help of a slave, but 3000 of his supporters were murdered.

Dimentio
7th August 2008, 01:14
Actually, the Caesars of the Iulio-Claudian Dynasty were a continuation of the Gracchians. They realised many of the promises made by Tiberius and Gaius Sempronius, amongst them a division of landed properties amongst the freemen, a redistribution of property in Rome which relied in favor of those who were poor, while the senate was forced to accept different kinds of terms.

Some of the Caesars, like Caligula and Nero, instituted heavily progressive taxation on the wealthy, while others, like Claudius, were more in support of the aristocracy. To look if an Emperor gets a bad biography is to see exactly how much support he had from the nobility of ancient Rome. I think that Josephus acknowledged that Caligula held an enormous support from the Roman plebs and freemen, while the aristocracy disliked him tremendously.

Joe Hill's Ghost
7th August 2008, 05:38
We shouldn't forget Gerrard Winstanley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrard_Winstanley). He came from working class origins, working as a tailor and then as an indentured servant. Leader of the Diggers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers), he used christian theology and contemporary social commentary to advocate an egalitarian form of Christian anarchism. Though it didn't focus so much on the Christ aspect as working together for a brotherhood of humanity. They were even anti clerical at times.

The diggers were part of a bevy of radical groups that came out of the English civil war. They represented the most radical of all, advocating the abolition of landed property. They utilized one of the first examples of dual power, by building communal villages on land that was left vacant. They thought they could eliminate the aristocracy when commoners tilled the land in communal, democratic, autonomous communities. Effectively starving the nobles out of existence. Sadly the nobles saw this and used brutal force to crush the diggers whenever they popped up.

Here is Winstanley's "Digger's Song". Chumbawumba does a great rendition of it. It is rather touching



You noble Diggers all stand up now, stand up now! You noble Diggers all stand up now! The wasteland to maintain, seeing Cavaleers by name, Your digging does maintain and persons all defame, Stand up now, stand up now!
Your houses they pull down stand up now, stand up now // (means, repeat line as in verse one) Your houses they pull down, to fright your men in town, But the gentrye must come down, And the poor shall wear the crown, Stand up now, Diggers all.
With spades and hoes and plowes, stand up now, stand up now // Your freedom to uphold, seeing Cavaliers are bold, To kill you if they could and rights from you to hold, Stand up now Diggers all.
Theire self-will is theire law, stand up now, // Since tyranny came in they count it now no sin To make a gaol a gin, to starve poor men therein. Stand up now, Diggers all.
The gentrye are all ‘round, stand up now... // The gentrye are all ‘round, on each side they are found, Theire wisdom’s profound; to cheat us of our ground, Stand up now, stand up now.
The lawyers they conjoyne, stand up now... // To arrest you they advise, such fury they devise, The devill in them lies, and hath blinded both their eyes, Stand up now, stand up now.
The clergy they come in, stand up now.... // Thc clergy they come in and say it is a sin, That we should now begin our freedom for to win, Stand up now, Diggers all.
The tithes they yet will have, stand up now.... // The tithes they yet will have, and lawyers their fees crave, And this they say is brave, to make the poor their slave. Stand up now, Diggers all.
‘Gainst lawyers and ‘gainst Priests stand up now... // For tyrants they are both, even flatt against their oath, To grant us they are loath, free meat and drink and cloth, Stand up now, Diggers all.
The club is all their law, stand up now.... // The club is all their law, to keep all men in awe, But they no vision saw, to maintain such a law, Stand up now, Diggers all.
The Cavaleers are foes, stand up now, // The Cavaleers are foes, themselves they do disclose By verses not in prose to please the singing boyes. Stand up now, Diggers all.

Forward Union
7th August 2008, 13:59
Id say the diggers were around at the very start of capitalism, but they're definetly worth note. I know quite a lot abotu Englands radical history but I couldnt tell you much about anywhere else.

Boudica (http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Boudica&spell=1)

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The Female Celtic Warrior Queen that lead an Inssurection against the Romans in AD 60. She defeated the romans on several occasions, leveling several encampments and garasons, though she was tracked down to somewhere in the west midlands and defeated a year or so after the uprising began.

According to Tacitus " possessed of greater intelligence than often belongs to women"

[B]Robin Hood

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Legendry Bandit that robbed from the rich and gave to the poor under the reighn of king John. Although no solid evidence for his existance exists, he is deeply rooted in English Folklore as having existed in or around nottinghamshire in the 13th century.

Modern historians believe there was probably several "robin hoods" that were eventually transformed into a single Icon, by popular folklore. There are ballads and poems from the time speaking of Bandits from York, Sherwood, Barnsdale and Loxley, all known as Robin hood, who were said to rob from the rich and give to the poor.

Walter Tyler
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The leader of the English Peasants Revolt of 1381. He lead the first great inssurection on English soil.

The Peasants took the entire south east of England. Eventually breaching the walls of london. They burned down prisons, tax and land registries eventually getting to the tower of london itself.

After Tyler met with the king to discuss concessions, he was stabbed to death for his Treason by one of the kings guards out of sight of the rebel army which was later routed.

As none of the peasants could write, no clear image of their demands exists. However, "The cutty wren" a popular song about the inssurection, speaks of cutting up a Wren (which represented privelige) and sharing it amongst everyone.