manual vs spiritual labor

[Black Sheep]

There is a dinstinction, surely. what are ur thoughts on this?
-how it will be equalised?
-how will the relationship be ( in value ) between those two forms of labour
-should manual labor be done by all members of society? (in addittion to mental labor, to those who are gr8 thinkers, leaders, and generally occupy themselves in organizing stuff, and generally in theoretical and mental work)

and whatever else relevant u have in mind.

[Winter]

What exactly do you mean by spiritual labor? Like religious thought?

[Decolonize The Left]

There is a dinstinction, surely. what are ur thoughts on this?
-how it will be equalised?
-how will the relationship be ( in value ) between those two forms of labour
-should manual labor be done by all members of society? (in addittion to spiritual labor, to those who are gr8 thinkers, leaders, and generally occupy themselves in organizing stuff, and generally in theoretical and spiritual work)

and whatever else relevant u have in mind.

It seems (from your third question) that you are referring to mental labor by 'spiritual labor'. By mental labor, you mean those individuals who rather than exert physical energy to produce X, Y, or Z, instead exert mental energy to thinking about how X, Y, and Z would be best utilized in situation W, or how they ought to be transported with best efficiency, etc... Is this the case?

- August

[Red_or_Dead]

Im guessing you meant physichal and mental labour? As in working as a miner or working as a teacher?

"Spiritual" is the wrong term anyway, as it implies stuff like deites, religions, transcendece, ect. so I think that "mental" would be much more appropriate for what you are trying to say.

In any case, to answer the original question:

Both forms are crucial to the society, and both need to be respected and awarded. As for equality, I would say that that would still depend much on how much you work, how you work, how good are you at it, ect. Basicly, just dividing work into the two above mentioned forms is still too broad classification.

I would go as far as saying that every single member of the society does both forms of work. Even if we cast aside what one does for a living, theres still stuff like housework (physichal), managing household finances (mental), just to name two examples.

Oh, and if somebody has a better word for what I call "mental labour", please tell.

[Black Sheep]

yeh, i ment mental labor (dunno how to correct the title tho :P)

like a cosmologist and a coal miner:confused:

[BobKKKindle$]

In workplaces which currently exhibit a division between the physical production of goods (which can also be described as "manual labour" although this is problematic because "manual" simply means using your hands to perform a task and so could arguably apply to any kind of work) and the administration of production, this division can be overcome through the implementation of balanced job complexes, whereby each job is composed of a combination of different tasks and functions inside the workplace, and so there is no group with a monopoly on administrative tasks or activity which is conducive to creative thought. This is important, not merely to improve the value of work as part of our lives, but also as precondition for proletarian control of production - if democracy is implemented in the economic sphere and yet current work structures are maintained, even though every worker may have the formal right to vote and make proposals on how production should be organized, discussions will still be dominated by a managerial stratum, as they alone will have the knowledge and experience required to make informed decisions, and other workers will be unable to challenge the dominance of this stratum, because they lack the same conditions of empowerment.

[ckaihatsu]

I'd like to add that besides physical and intellectual labor there is also emotional labor, which is especially apparent in the now-expansive service sector, including domestic labor. Please see:


Bloom's Taxonomy, Illustrated
http://tinyurl.com/yvludj


Also, one of the best books I've read -- *ever* -- is Hochschild's _The Managed Heart: Commercialization of Human Feeling_. It covers the realm of emotional labor, and is excellent reading, even if you're not a sociology fan like I am.


Chris





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