'The Speech That Killed Kennedy"

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I heard about this the other day, apparently he gave it 3 weeks before he was assassinated (hence the nickname it's been given)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WSGwnz7XpY

and a more legnthy, full version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces&feature=related

Would anyone know were to obtain a text version of the speech? I'm having some trouble locating it online....Damn NWO! :laugh:

Thoughts?

[534634634265]

good speech... about the evils of the USSR. cool that you saw zeitgiest though. i can link you to some other bad ass conspiracy theories too. nothing like a quote out of context to really paint a picture huh?

[IcarusAngel]

This is another effort to link his assassination to a supposed opposition to the "bankers." Someone in that thread even claimed Lincoln was killed for the same reason.

Really, how do "bankers" even have more controll than the average corporation?

Isn't that some neo-nazi shit to claim that the "bankers" are the ones ruining the country?

[534634634265]

Isn't that some neo-nazi shit to claim that the "bankers" are the ones ruining the country?
only if you equate being a banker with being a jew.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

good speech... about the evils of the USSR. cool that you saw zeitgiest though. i can link you to some other bad ass conspiracy theories too. nothing like a quote out of context to really paint a picture huh?

Awwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhh.....what a letdown.

I haven't seen the movie. Is it good?

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

This is another effort to link his assassination to a supposed opposition to the "bankers." Someone in that thread even claimed Lincoln was killed for the same reason.

Really, how do "bankers" even have more controll than the average corporation?


The Federal Reserve, a private corporation and a bank, controls the money supply in the US.

That in itself should make it pretty obvious.

[bcbm]

Fucker had it coming anyway.

[Trystan]

Kennedy was the man who sat by as concentration camps were built in South Vietnam. He did indeed have it coming, and so did his brother. :)

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Kennedy was the man who sat by as concentration camps were built in South Vietnam. He did indeed have it coming, and so did his brother. :)

You're sitting by as thousands are raped in Darfur. Perhaps you should be shot.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Fucker had it coming anyway.

Ya, perhaps he should have taken a memo from those pieces of shit who were running Russia and simply begun executing everyone who could have been a threat.

[bcbm]

Kennedy was the man who sat by as concentration camps were built in South Vietnam. He did indeed have it coming, and so did his brother. :)

I tend to think more of his involvement in the Cuban Missile Crisis. He almost brought us to nuclear war.


You're sitting by as thousands are raped in Darfur. Perhaps you should be shot.

Realistically there isn't much he can do about that, whereas Kennedy could have influenced what was going on in Vietnam.

[bcbm]

Ya, perhaps he should have taken a memo from those pieces of shit who were running Russia and simply begun executing everyone who could have been a threat.

Uh.. what? Not really seeing the relevance to what I said here, sorry. Nor do I recall supporting those pieces of shit in Russia. I'm an anarchist. :rolleyes:

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I tend to think more of his involvement in the Cuban Missile Crisis. He almost brought us to nuclear war....
Realistically there isn't much he can do about that, whereas Kennedy could have influenced what was going on in Vietnam.

:confused:

First you blame Kennedy for meddling in Cuba, then chastise him for not doing the same in South Vietnam.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Uh.. what? Not really seeing the relevance to what I said here, sorry. Nor do I recall supporting those pieces of shit in Russia. I'm an anarchist. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying he should have modeled their policies except on the secret police front.

Obviously, this apparatus prevented the violent removal of many worse douchebags than JFK, no?

[bcbm]

:confused:

First you blame Kennedy for meddling in Cuba, then chastise him for not doing the same in South Vietnam.

I didn't chastise him at all, actually. I was just pointing out the flaw in your logic.

Of course, the problem in SV was that the US was already meddling, which is why the camps existed in the first place.

[bcbm]

Obviously, this apparatus prevented the violent removal of many worse douchebags than JFK, no?

I wouldn't say obviously. I doubt many of them almost brought nuclear holocaust to the world, or began the escalation of involvement in a country that led to a war that killed millions.

And I still don't see the relevance between him setting up a secret police and me saying he deserved to be shot.

[Trystan]

You're sitting by as thousands are raped in Darfur. Perhaps you should be shot.

I'm not in charge of the most powerful country on earth. :confused:

And these concentration camps were part of "operation pheonix", devised by the CIA. I'm not sure if Kennedy had any direct involvement in its planning, though.

[disobey]

He spent far too much time with that broad in the white dress, whats her name again?

Kennedy did infact wish to disintegrate the military industrial complex (disbanding the CIA) among other things that would have changed the balance of power. That in itself was enough to get him killed. But he was still a capitalist.

[IcarusAngel]

The Federal Reserve, a private corporation and a bank, controls the money supply in the US.

That in itself should make it pretty obvious.


You're a nutbag conspiray theorist. How does that prove they have anything to do with the Kennedy assassination?

First of all, they don't completely control the money. They can't do whatever they want.

Second, large corporate institutions control money as well, and they also control resources and make laws in government through lobbying.

You're a fucking nut.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Last things first....


You're a nutbag conspiray theorist. How does that prove they have anything to do with the Kennedy assassination?

You should read. I never said it did, though it is a possibility.


First of all, they don't completely control the money. They can't do whatever they want.

You should read. They COMPLETELY control the money supply, via the interest rate. The rate is set by the Chairman of the Fed, which is not a government agency but a private corporation set up by Rockefeller, Morgan, and another gentlemen who's name I forget in the early 20th century.

The money in your pocket (if it is dollars) was NOT issued by the US govt, and is NOT govt money. It's a Federal Reserve Note (ie bank note) which is actually worth jack-shit. If there is to be financial turmoil large enough to sustain revolution it will be because of this.


Second, large corporate institutions control money as well, and they also control resources and make laws in government through lobbying.

You should read. None of those institutions control the money supply ie the amount of money floating around. Hence a big difference.


You're a fucking nut.

You should read. Douchebag.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I wouldn't say obviously. I doubt many of them almost brought nuclear holocaust to the world, or began the escalation of involvement in a country that led to a war that killed millions.

No, they were busy killing millions in their own country. (btw, how many people did die in Vietnam?)


And I still don't see the relevance between him setting up a secret police and me saying he deserved to be shot.

I was trying, admittedly pretty badly, to show that Kennedy was a much better alternative to the leaders of the other superpower, who would never be assasinated despite being much crueler.

If Kennedy's chief goal had been survival, he should have mirrored some of their methods, such as creating a secret police force to deprive our citizens of most liberties.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

He spent far too much time with that broad in the white dress, whats her name again?

Marilyn Monroe


Kennedy did infact wish to disintegrate the military industrial complex (disbanding the CIA) among other things that would have changed the balance of power. That in itself was enough to get him killed. But he was still a capitalist.

Personally, I think J. Edgar Hoover played a large role. That man did horrible things.

[Winter]

First of all, they don't completely control the money. They can't do whatever they want.

The federal reserve can print as much money as it wants. Watch "From Freedom to Fascism".

[Winter]

I believe without a doubt that Lee Harvey Oswald did NOT kill JFK. It really doesn't make sense to me when you look at all the eye witness testimonies. Classic strategy of the U.S., blame the commies.

[bcbm]

No, they were busy killing millions in their own country. (btw, how many people did die in Vietnam?)



I was trying, admittedly pretty badly, to show that Kennedy was a much better alternative to the leaders of the other superpower, who would never be assasinated despite being much crueler.

If Kennedy's chief goal had been survival, he should have mirrored some of their methods, such as creating a secret police force to deprive our citizens of most liberties.

Well, as I said...


Nor do I recall supporting those pieces of shit in Russia. I'm an anarchist. :rolleyes:

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

The federal reserve can print as much money as it wants. Watch "From Freedom to Fascism".

I agree. It's a real good watch, though I've heard some of my professors get real angry when it was brought up.

"Of Course you have to pay your income taxes! Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!"

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I believe without a doubt that Lee Harvey Oswald did NOT kill JFK. It really doesn't make sense to me when you look at all the eye witness testimonies. Classic strategy of the U.S., blame the commies.

Yeah, I live in Dallas and I've been to Daly Plaza though I've never been to the building. My Dad went up to the 6th floor museum, and had to be escorted out for A.) breaking the rules and climbing to the window and B.) Repeating over and over again (quite loudly) "There's no fuckin way. There's just no fuckin way...." Bill Hicks style.

[IcarusAngel]

The Fed can't print as much money as it wants because it has to control inflation to SOME degree. It can't just do whatever it wants. And it isn't a "private company," either.

The Fed Chairman is appointed by the federal government and if someone doesn't like him they can have him replacement.

A problem with Clinton for example was that he allowed Greenspan to return.

Why is this nut allowed to be loose on the forum? He makes "Intelligent Design" guy look reasonable by comparison.

The guy is promoting the same anti-jewish conspiracies neo-nazis promote.

Does the Fed control all the resources? No. Is the Fed more anti-poor than the corporations? No. Is the Fed the one piss-testing you when you got to get a job, taking away your right to privacy? No. Is the fed the one trying to patent our genes, trying to invade our privacy and our dignity? No. Is the Fed the one out there indoctrinating the masses through their corporate owned media networks? No.


The federal reserve can print as much money as it wants. Watch "From Freedom to Fascism".


Wrong. It's anti-leftist nonsense.

The guy who made it is the same nut who believes in 9/11 truther conspiracies, Aaron Russo.

These anti-jewish banker conspiracies, and this 9/11 stuff, are just two sides of the same coin.

Plus, he also shows pictures of leftists protesting wars and acts as if they're against the federal reserve.

It's a bs documentary.

[Spartacist]

Viva Lee Harvey Oswald!

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

The guy is promoting the same anti-jewish conspiracies neo-nazis promote.

God you are an annoying motherfucker.

Now, I don't mind if you question my facts or opinions in a good, debate style. But to accuse me of being a neo-Nazi or having neo-Nazi tendencies for no other reason than stating an obviously non-racist opinion is quite ridiculous.

And by the way, if you or your family is jewish, fuck you and your rabbi, along with everyone at your synagogue. If their Christian, fuck you and everyone at your Church. If you're Muslim, fuck you and everyone at your mosque. If you're Buddhist, well, I'm not going to curse Buddhism. And if your atheist, well, go fuck yourself you neo-nazi fascist wanna-be revolutionary piece of shit. I take a dump on your ideals you armchair revolutionary shitbag.


The Fed can't print as much money as it wants because it has to control inflation to SOME degree. It can't just do whatever it wants. And it isn't a "private company," either.-It can print as much as it wants. They may be criticized, but unless you can provide a program which has been created to ensure that the fed can't do this by the elected government taking control of the prime rate, please provide it.

-It's a quasi-private entity with almost no government oversight into it's day-to-day decisions.


The Fed Chairman is appointed by the federal government and if someone doesn't like him they can have him replacement.Who's "someone?" The Chairman of the Fed is apolitical and can't be removed, like a Supreme Court Justice. Except the Chairman could get caught with a hooker and keep their job.

"As an independent institution, the Federal Reserve has the authority to act on its own without prior approval from Congress or the President.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System#cite_note-frsfaq-23) The members of its Board of Governors are appointed for long, staggered terms, limiting the influence of day-to-day political considerations."

So if Congress or the Prez can't do anything about their decisions, how do we the people have any power over their decisions?


Does the Fed control all the resources? No.They control the supply of the resource we are all squabbling over. The Money. Money is power. The Chairman of the Fed is considered to be the most powerful man in the world by many economists because of their control of the resource which can deliver any resource.


Is the Fed more anti-poor than the corporations? No.What does that have to do with the power this institution holds?

And by the way, look into why people are being thrown out of their homes. "Adjustable rate mortage" should be on the top of your search list.


Is the Fed the one piss-testing you when you got to get a job, taking away your right to privacy? No.No, that's the employer who wants to make sure they aren't hiring a meth addict. If you feel you are being violated, you shouldn't work there.



Is the Fed the one out there indoctrinating the masses through their corporate owned media networks? No.
No, the masses aren't intelligent enough to understand the massive role the Fed plays in their everyday lives.


Wrong. It's anti-leftist nonsenseDoes everything you take in have to have a leftist slant?


The guy who made it is the same nut who believes in 9/11 truther conspiracies, Aaron Russo. Your point? Should I discredit everything a Leftists says because of the crackpot belief in first world revolution?



These anti-jewish banker conspiracies, and this 9/11 stuff, are just two sides of the same coin.Why do you keep bringing up the anti-jewish claim? What does that have to do with anything?

You're the one bringing it up, are you saying there's a connection between Jews and the banking system we should know about?

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Viva Lee Harvey Oswald!

Yeah, thanks for giving the reigns to LBJ! Millions of dead Vietnamese Thank You!

[Schrödinger's Cat]

You're sitting by as thousands are raped in Darfur. Perhaps you should be shot.

I didn't know he was president.

The FED operates like NASA. The upper echelons are actually regulated more than the minor banks.

You do think Alex Jones is a nutter, right? Can we quantify that point, at least? (Yes, I am dismissive of his proponents)

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I didn't know he was president.

So you're saying the US military should be the worlds strongest? Or at least that some force should be responsible for saving the world?

Either you're for or against US interventionism. If you're for it, it's obvious this will be done in the US's interests. If you're against, then these things happen.

Which are you?

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

You do think Alex Jones is a nutter, right? Can we quantify that point, at least? (Yes, I am dismissive of his proponents)


Yeah, he's a nutter.

Very entertaining, with a few good points, but crazy all the same.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

So you're saying the US military should be the worlds strongest? Or at least that some force should be responsible for saving the world?

Either you're for or against US interventionism. If you're for it, it's obvious this will be done in the US's interests. If you're against, then these things happen.

Which are you?

I'm for intervention not based in price gouging and corporate lies. Genocide should be stopped - either through giving (giving, not selling) the population arms, or military assistance.

[IcarusAngel]

The Fed Chairman is a four year term, not a lifetime commitment like a supreme court justice. Thus, Clinton should have Greenspan removed, and could have if he was a real liberal.

You can't "replace" the CEO of a private, corporate tyranny if you don't want them. And corporations controlling all the property and then telling you what you can and can't do in your spare time is indeed a tyranny.

Obviously "The Cult of Lincoln" buys into asinine conspiracy theories and rivisionist history, which he gets from BS documentaries.

He has no understanding of politics at all, as shown by his insinuation that leftist politics must be "revolutionary."

[Kwisatz Haderach]

No, that's the employer who wants to make sure they aren't hiring a meth addict. If you feel you are being violated, you shouldn't work there.
And if you don't like the Fed, stop using dollars!

Everything seems so easy when your answer to every problem is "if you don't like it, go somewhere else."

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I'm for intervention not based in price gouging and corporate lies. Genocide should be stopped - either through giving (giving, not selling) the population arms, or military assistance.

Ahhh...so I'd say you're in the Wilson School of Imperialism. Unfortunately, it seems like when the US decides to intervene for humanitarian reasons, it's only because it's white people being slaughtered (can't have that on CNN) or there's an obvious US benefit from making the current regime out to be some kind of Fourth Reich.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

And if you don't like the Fed, stop using dollars!

Everything seems so easy when your answer to every problem is "if you don't like it, go somewhere else."

The FED doesn't drug test me when I use their dollars.

It's not that I don't like the FED, more that I think the lack of oversight We The People have over that institution is leading to a situation were nobody will be using those dollars.


He has no understanding of politics at all, as shown by his insinuation that leftist politics must be "revolutionary."

If you're not a revolutionary leftist, you should be restricted for the same reason I was.

Can I get a Mod over here?!

[534634634265]

If you're not a revolutionary leftist, you should be restricted for the same reason I was.

Can I get a Mod over here?!
i think you got restricted for being an absolutist, and for advocating reactionary opinions. im not a "revolutionary leftist" but i am a leftist. you don't have to be CHE or MAO to be on here, you just have to have an interest in what the majority of people today (ie conservative reactionaries) would consider radically left of center.
which is really getting more mainstream day by day.:(
scary shit, when the norm moves in any direction.:closedeyes:

[freakazoid]

You're a nutbag conspiray theorist. How does that prove they have anything to do with the Kennedy assassination?

First of all, they don't completely control the money. They can't do whatever they want.

Second, large corporate institutions control money as well, and they also control resources and make laws in government through lobbying.

You're a fucking nut.

Oh noes, someone who doesn't believe what the .gov tells them is the truth. He must be some kind of "nutter". :rolleyes:


The Fed can't print as much money as it wants because it has to control inflation to SOME degree. It can't just do whatever it wants. And it isn't a "private company," either.

It can do whatever it wants if it decided to. Nothing actually stopping it.

[Bud Struggle]

I shouted out
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me.