Rape of Nanking

[Lost In Translation]

Among the atrocities committed by the Japanese, the most controversial of all has to be the Nanking Massacre. Although for many, it is an established fact that it happened, some Japanese nationalists still stand firm on their stance that there never was such a thing. One of the more ludicrous excuses were: "The Chinese welcomed us with open arms" or something like that.

Your thoughts?

[shorelinetrance]

very real, this chinese food place i go in to eat regularly has this elderly chinese manwho always sits down and talks with me, and i can't remember how it was brought up but we started talking about the rape of nanking and he had family in and around nanking that time, i can assure you all it's very real.

[Chapter 24]

I haven't looked up into this subject but I am aware of the Japanese war crimes committed in China. Awfully brutal and sickening acts of torture that history should not repeat. Globalcommie, do you know if all of the Japanese-occupied countries during their fascist period suffered as much as China?
You do note that many Japanese nationalists create the myth that the Chinese were so warm and welcome to their occupation. It's unfortunate that this was actually true in Austria during the Anschluss, where the Nazis marched into the streets of Vienna carrying swastika flags and banners, and Werhmacht troops were cheered and welcomed by Austrians.

[Lost In Translation]

I think that Japan treated all of its occupied lands with great brutality. However, because their populations were not as significant as that of China, it is not always noted. The biggest mass murder of civilians committed by Japan during WWII would be in China, as far as I know.

[Chapter 24]

I think that Japan treated all of its occupied lands with great brutality. However, because their populations were not as significant as that of China, it is not always noted. The biggest mass murder of civilians committed by Japan during WWII would be in China, as far as I know.

Yes. And, as far as I know, China had the highest percentage of civilian and military deaths after the Soviet Union during that war. I think a fair comparison can be made between Soviet and Chinese victims of war in respect to their oppressors :
Soviets:Germans::Chinese:Japanese

[Winter]

Yes it happened. If you have a couple of hours to kill I highly reccomend this documentary:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoW2WYdOsvg
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqH47MIpuoA

WARNING it is very graphic.

[Winter]

Among the atrocities committed by the Japanese, the most controversial of all has to be the Nanking Massacre. Although for many, it is an established fact that it happened, some Japanese nationalists still stand firm on their stance that there never was such a thing. One of the more ludicrous excuses were: "The Chinese welcomed us with open arms" or something like that.

Your thoughts?

This is as pathetic as holocaust denial.

[Lost In Translation]

This is as pathetic as holocaust denial.
Sorry, I tried to make the OP as unbiased as possible (it's pretty hard).

Plus, I'm Chinese. You think I would believe the Nanking Massacre never happened?

[Winter]

Sorry, I tried to make the OP as unbiased as possible (it's pretty hard).

Plus, I'm Chinese. You think I would believe the Nanking Massacre never happened?

Oh no, not you, I'm not implying you believe it never happened. I was referring to the people who deny this ever happened. :lol:

[Lost In Translation]

Oh no, not you, I'm not implying you believe it never happened. I was referring to the people who deny this ever happened. :lol:
Ah, ok. It was worrying because you quoted the entire post, so I don't know what you're commenting on :blushing:

[Bright Banana Beard]

It is real, many accounts of Imperial Japanese force are false for their imperialism style. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Safety_Zone is also another account of bullshit by nationalist Japanese who claimed the Chinese welcomed them.

[Sendo]

The Japanese govt also denies abducting 100,000-200,000 Korean women to be sex slaves, ahem, "comfort girls". the fascist govt has denied this for decades and has won out since nearly all of those said women have gotten old and died and the rest of the world forgets.

[Lost In Translation]

Darn, the perfect poll has ended. Who voted for the 2nd option?

@ Sendo: really? I never knew that. You learn something everyday.

[MarxSchmarx]

I suggest we start a poll on whether humanity originated from Africa, whether the Roman empire existed, and whether the Berlin wall in fact collapsed.


The Japanese govt also denies abducting 100,000-200,000 Korean women to be sex slaves, ahem, "comfort girls". the fascist govt has denied this for decades and has won out since nearly all of those said women have gotten old and died and the rest of the world forgets.
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This is as pathetic as holocaust denial
Indeed. How well would a poll that said "Is Auschwitz real?" fare?

There is a slight difference, though. The comfort women policy was a deliberate centralized and organized scheme. The orders for the holocaust came from the highest ranks. The Nanking massacre, even the Chinese say, was the result of a vicious battle and paranoia over partisans. The Japanese people never voted for a party that pledged genocide, and rape and forced prostitution was practiced by the allies as well.

Not that this makes it any better. But perhaps this is why the revisionists have so much more traction than in the cases of, say, the comfort women or the holocaust.

[Sendo]

Another funny thing about Japanese policies, is that there were even ardent defenders of Imperial Japan who knew about the crazy stuff and didn't deny it, bu would comment coldly on it and if anything show concern for the wellbeing of the Japanese involved. It's kind of like some US historians' perceptions of Vietnam. If you've got imperialists admitting messed up stuff happened, it probably did.

[Red_or_Dead]

The Japanese govt also denies abducting 100,000-200,000 Korean women to be sex slaves, ahem, "comfort girls".

Sex slaves = comfort girls

War = armed intervention

Mass murder = ethnic cleansing

Reformualting expresions for crimes against humanity = revolting


In any case, imo what were dealing with here is just a far eastern version of holocaust denial. Millions of people dont just wanish into thin air.

[MarxSchmarx]

I think part of the problem is that some in Japan still feel that the outcome of world war two was victor's justice. I mean, come on, parts of the world celebrate "COLUMBUS DAY", like how freaking "revisionist" is that??

There are British French American Russian and even Chinese variants on these atrocities, and the Japanese feel they are singled out. I do agree that to equate Imperial Japan to Nazi Germany is absurd. Of course they were both horrific regimes. But so was everyone else. That doesn't justify it, but it is troubling that Japanese right wingers are made out to be crazies on a par with the Nazis, whereas apologists for, for example, British rule over India or American rule over the Philippines or Chinese rule over Mongolia, do seem to be "yet another colonial power" is a double standard.

To be absolutely clear, I think all imperialist rule is unacceptable. Japanese colonialism was just one extreme on a long continuum, but it didn't cross the line into what the Nazis did.



In any case, imo what were dealing with here is just a far eastern version of holocaust denial. Millions of people dont just wanish into thin air.Except that "far east" is one minority in only one country. Every single other "far eastern" country has little patience for this bullshit.

[Revolutiondownunder]

I have talked to people who had family there.

It was real alright.:(

[John Lenin]

I didn't even think this was a historically disputed event.

The Japanese at the time were more brutal in many ways than even Nazi Germany.

[Lost In Translation]

I didn't even think this was a historically disputed event.

The Japanese at the time were more brutal in many ways than even Nazi Germany.

Well, 3 people voted for the second option, so there is still some contest.

[PigmerikanMao]

Who the hell voted for the second and third options?! I thought people here were smarter than this! :confused:

[Sendo]

How dare you slur the great and pure race of the sun goddess you mao-loving swine! You Chinese are nothing but short, brown, buck-toothed monkeys who cry at night because they wish they had Japanese blood.

(brought to you by the ruling cliques of Japan: unchanged by WW2 and left unmolested during the Reconstruction)

[Lost In Translation]

How dare you slur the great and pure race of the sun goddess you mao-loving swine! You Chinese are nothing but short, brown, buck-toothed monkeys who cry at night because they wish they had Japanese blood.

(brought to you by the ruling cliques of Japan: unchanged by WW2 and left unmolested during the Reconstruction)
:lol::lol::lol:

At least we didn't get nuked, and we top the Olympic medal tables, and we have a better economy than you, and...(you fill in the rest).

[Winter]

How dare you slur the great and pure race of the sun goddess you mao-loving swine! You Chinese are nothing but short, brown, buck-toothed monkeys who cry at night because they wish they had Japanese blood.

(brought to you by the ruling cliques of Japan: unchanged by WW2 and left unmolested during the Reconstruction)

You're on the wrong message board you nationalists trash. Maybe you should go find a *************** for Japanese.

Go to Hell with your sun goddess, asshole.

P.S. : If you're joking, ignore this and attribute it to your hypothetical character stating this.

[Lost In Translation]

You're on the wrong message board you nationalists trash. Maybe you should go find a *************** for Japanese.

Go to Hell with your sun goddess, asshole.

P.S. : If you're joking, ignore this and attribute it to your hypothetical character stating this.
I would think that the use of the exclamation mark by Sendo is proof enough that it was a joke..

[PigmerikanMao]

...wow :laugh:

[Winter]

...wow :laugh:

:blushing:

[Herman]

Every kind of disgusting and vile atrocities was practiced on the Chinese in Nanking. Babies thrown in the air and caught by the end of bayonets, women mass raped in their hundreds...

One of the most barbaric acts done by Japanese imperialism.

[AutomaticMan]

From what I've read it's one of the most barbaric atrocities committed by anyone ever.

Absolutely horrendous.

[Saorsa]

At least we didn't get nuked, and we top the Olympic medal tables, and we have a better economy than you, and...(you fill in the rest).

It was somewhat inevitable that the country with 1.3 billion potential athletes to choose from would top the tables! :lol:

[progressive_lefty]

The question of whether it happened is comparable to the question over whether the holocaust happened. Stupid poll and discussion.