So, will the USA ever invade Cuba?

[BIG BROTHER]

Well i was watching this interview with one of Che's daughter it seems pretty recent and unfortunately i forgot her name:(:blushing: and i lost the link to the interview, but the point that Che's daughter make is that the US is preparing to invade Iran and later on Cuba.

Do you guys think this is something possible, or she was just exaggerating?

I personally doubt that the US will invade Cuba unless the nation had some internal disturbances, counter-revolution, etc, because otherwise I'm sure that unlike in Iraq or Afghanistan the US would meet resistance, and there would be international opposition against the invasion.

[comrade stalin guevara]

When fidel dies america will march in to take its son back,
i will be there to defend the last bastion of marxisim-lenninisim.


WILL YOU?

[Mala Tha Testa]

voted, "not sure"

[Lost In Translation]

I don't see America invading Cuba anytime within the next president's administration. Any reason to invade Cuba would be bs, since Cuba isn't directly harming the US in any way (then again, Afghanistan wasn't either).

[comrade stalin guevara]

America cant wait to spank its naughty carribean son,
maybe not obama but they will start a revolution and send in marine to assist the cuban people, tom clancy did a game about it???

[Lost In Translation]

America cant wait to spank its naughty carribean son,
maybe not obama but they will start a revolution and send in marine to assist the cuban people, tom clancy did a game about it???
:lol::lol::lol:

Naughty Caribbean son???

By America, I hope you do mean the American government...

[F9]

What i am in bush mind?Sorry what?he doesnt have one!:lol:
i dont know,and i can say that no one knows except perhaps NATO.

Fuserg9:star:

[LiberaCHE]

Well i was watching this interview with one of Che's daughter


Dr. Aleida Guevara


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[comrade stalin guevara]

:lol::lol::lol:

Naughty Caribbean son???

By America, I hope you do mean the American government...


Cos i mean the american goverment.

[Dominicana_1965]

The U.S. invaded Cuba in 1961 (The Bay of Pigs Invasion) where many exiled ex-capitalists and latifundistas from Cuba that fled to Miami organized a armed force. Apart from this, the U.S. has funded and aided counterrevolutionaries in Cuba & Miami who have committed violent acts throughout the past decades and still do. One of the main reasons as to why I think that these counterrevolutionaries haven't been successful in overthrowing the Cuban Revolution is due to the fact that [1]the working-class and peasantry in Cuba have battled reactionaries before. [2]Counterrevolutionaries who lift the banner of "dissident" in Cuba lack major support throughout the Island and are seen for what they truly are, puppets of U.S. imperialism. It's noticeable by the amount of verbal and almost physical attacks against numerous groups such as the "Women in White" (who were almost attacked by a mob of workers who passed through them) [3] Funds that are sent to the Miami Mafia are being utilized to purchase luxury goods instead of furthering counterrevolutionary activities. Due to the third reason, the U.S. state has started to look for more "committed" reactionaries in other countries since the gusanos in Miami aren't even trying anymore.

The U.S. has also attempted to assassinate Fidel Castro more than 600 times but failed. Because of all these attempts, the Cuban intelligence has become very advanced and found out about hundreds of plans and even knew that Reagan was going to be shot.

The U.S. has also tried to indirectly invade Cuba with dictators like Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic, 1930-1961) & Fulgencio Batista. Trujillo granted credit to Batista to purchase weapons and ammunitions, which were actually brought by plane in 1958. Trujillo also volunteered to airborne 3,000 Dominican troops and later another force. Once the U.S. knew about Trujillo's intentions regarding the nascent Cuban Revolution they sent a CIA officer to Santo Domingo (the capitol) to talk with Trujillo and further the plans against the Cuban Revolution. Weapons were sent from Florida to carry out actions. The Dominican army started to drop ammunitions from planes to "rebels" (who were actually Cuban soldiers disguised as peasants). After this plan was sabotaged Trujillo sent once again a plane with envoys to determine what areas would be bombed in Cuba by the Dominican Air Force and to find out the number of reactionaries necessary to fund. The plane was eventually captured by the Cuban army and mercenaries were captured.

Do I see the U.S. invading Cuba militarily in the near future? No.
Do I see the U.S. continuing to fund reactionaries and the overthrow of socialism? Certainly yes.

[Davie zepeda]

HAHA invading Cuba would cause a shit load of problems remember half the immigrant's here are commie's so if they were to invade Cuba you have to deal with the immigrant's and American communist's who would surely cripple a empire who's never had a civil war in modern times .
:D
The part of funding counter revolutionary's is true but the people of Cuba like the system in place they only want more cash flow that's all. More buying power for stupid shit like dvd's and pity thing's remember we all need some entertainment lol.

[Mala Tha Testa]

Do I see the U.S. invading Cuba militarily in the near future? No.
Do I see the U.S. continuing to fund reactionaries and the overthrow of socialism? Certainly yes.

makes complete sence

[Winter]

Do I see the U.S. invading Cuba militarily in the near future? No.
Do I see the U.S. continuing to fund reactionaries and the overthrow of socialism? Certainly yes.

I completely agree with this position.

[Guerrilla22]

Invading Cuba really isn't in the strategic interest of the US. True a friendly, capitalist regime in Havanna could open Cuba up to numerous economic opprotunities for US companies, however the main interest of the US is those countries with extremely large oil reserves and which are strategically located in the Middle East. There simply is too much at stake not to control the middle east.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Do I see the U.S. invading Cuba militarily in the near future? No.
Do I see the U.S. continuing to fund reactionaries and the overthrow of socialism? Certainly yes.

That the position I am on.
Many of my "gusano" friends certainly do not care about Cuba (despite the USA's Spanish media position) and they would not commit to help reactionaries position, even some of them will create business to "help" Cuban people. The point is, some gusanos gave up on changing Cuba position as they understand the bullshit of the reactionaries. Gusanos's committment are getting lower and lower from my experience, even my step-father who are from Cuba does not want to see the change in government but want the USA to help the government.

[Comrade B]

The US may not try to take it by force, but they will attempt to usurp the government. After Fidel's death, or perhaps his brother's, the US will begin a campaign for creating another puppet government. Under this government, the country will become phenomenally worse, just like all the post soviet union countries.

[Jaccob]

I'm sure it will happen in one way or another, and they'll never declare war on Cuba, they'll cover it up as a security or peacekeeping operation, that should be good enough to keep the dumbass newspapers from asking questions. I can't see this happening under McCain's or Obama's watch though, and it won't happen before Raul and Fidel Castro have died, they've still got too many supporters in America and beyond for the US to believe that they can invade Cuba without opposition.

[hekmatista]

USA leadership can continue to tread the same water it has with Cuba for the last 50 years: partially successful embargo (in terms of keeping Cuba poor enough to advertise disadvantages of bucking the Washington consensus), while EEC countries continue to build a tourism industry to undermine collectivism there. An invasion may not even be necessary to remove the obstructions to Imperialist investment in the long run; the pimp "prosperity" of reservation casino economies may be seductive enough by itself. Iran is the next target on USA hitlist for clear geopolitical reasons. We should be ready for it as a short=term probability.

[Comrade B]

I doubt that the US will invade though, until they are out of Iraq and have another republican in power. The democrats tend not to straight out invade countries because of their large pacifist voter base in the US, though they will enter countries during wars. The democrats will also make no attempt to stop a president from going to war, so once the white house is out of their sight, they mean nothing.. McCain is too busy trying to get the US to kill Iran, and I doubt he could spare any invading force to go to Cuba. After that though, Cuba could be in trouble. The US never goes 10 years without a war, and if Obama actually does pull out the military from the region, the next republican/moderate democrat will probably feel an urge to blow the shit out of some people of another ethnicity/religion.

[RHIZOMES]

HAHA invading Cuba would cause a shit load of problems remember half the immigrant's here are commie's so if they were to invade Cuba you have to deal with the immigrant's and American communist's who would surely cripple a empire who's never had a civil war in modern times .

Do you seriously believe that? :lol:

[disobey]

Coup yes, invasion no.

The idea of a ground invasion (or even air strikes) is completely ridiculous. But a coup is inevitable I think.

[Pogue]

When fidel dies america will march in to take its son back,
i will be there to defend the last bastion of marxisim-lenninisim.


WILL YOU?

Convince me that you will.

[The Intransigent Faction]

I don't think they'll need to, depending on how Raul's leadership works out..

[Lost In Translation]

On second thought, maybe America should invade Cuba.

It'll be like the Bay of Pigs all over again :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[comrade stalin guevara]

Convince me that you will.

Convince me your a marxist.......

[loveme4whoiam]

I can't see an invasion of conventional forces happening in Cuba any time soon, partly for the fact that the US does not need to, but mostly because they really could not justify it to anyone, including (I am guessing) their own military.

Consider the fact that the US in currently embroiled in two major irregular conflicts from which there is looking to be no end in sight. If they were going to invade Cuba they would have to know that a similar campaign of irregular, guerrilla resistance would cripple efforts to "rebuild" Cuba into another US puppet-economy for years to come... the US military doesn't want to be involved in any more of them for a while, since they really don't know how to beat it.

Can I see a coup occurring? To be honest yes, I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility (given the number of times the attempts have been made before, it would be foolish not to admit it could happen). I think it would largely depend on the mood of the US administration in power at the time - if they feel that they can work with, or at the very least, ignore, Cuba, then I doubt they would see the expense (not to mention the risk of a PR disaster) of backing another coup attempt.

[BIG BROTHER]

USA leadership can continue to tread the same water it has with Cuba for the last 50 years: partially successful embargo (in terms of keeping Cuba poor enough to advertise disadvantages of bucking the Washington consensus), while EEC countries continue to build a tourism industry to undermine collectivism there. An invasion may not even be necessary to remove the obstructions to Imperialist investment in the long run; the pimp "prosperity" of reservation casino economies may be seductive enough by itself. Iran is the next target on USA hitlist for clear geopolitical reasons. We should be ready for it as a short=term probability.

Yea that's a good point that you're making.

[Trystan]

Highly unlikely. I don't think that a coup is going to happen either. I think Cuba will pursue capitalist reforms; that is the most likely in my opinion.

[Cult of Reason]

What would be the point? Cuba has no significant natural resources to exploit, apart from cobalt (available in larger amounts in Canada and Brazil) and chromium (also available, in much larger amounts, in Brazil). All it could really offer is cheap labour, of which there is plenty elsewhere, especially with the probable recession we are entering into. There would be nothing to gain from invading Cuba.

[Psy]

What would be the point? Cuba has no significant natural resources to exploit, apart from cobalt (available in larger amounts in Canada and Brazil) and chromium (also available, in much larger amounts, in Brazil). All it could really offer is cheap labour, of which there is plenty elsewhere, especially with the probable recession we are entering into. There would be nothing to gain from invading Cuba.

In the eyes of the US ruling class Cuba is a embarrassment and sets a bad president to the region. It is a living example that you can fight for independence from US imperialism and win.

[Sendo]

do you mean a bad "precedent" or "president" for the region?

[Scrap]

I sure hope they don't. I like how the new leader of Cuba is at least TRYING to turn the economy around. plus I love Cuban food and music!

[lvl100]

In the eyes of the US ruling class Cuba is a embarrassment and sets a bad president to the region. It is a living example that you can fight for independence from US imperialism and win.

Yeah , I`m sure that Bay of Pigs atack was the best military action USA can give and also they care alot about other countries not aproving their military actions



hat would be the point? Cuba has no significant natural resources to exploit, apart from cobalt (available in larger amounts in Canada and Brazil) and chromium (also available, in much larger amounts, in Brazil). All it could really offer is cheap labour, of which there is plenty elsewhere, especially with the probable recession we are entering into. There would be nothing to gain from invading Cuba
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[Psy]

do you mean a bad "precedent" or "president" for the region?
Precedent


Yeah , I`m sure that Bay of Pigs atack was the best military action USA can give and also they care alot about other countries not aproving their military actions

The USA needs its allies to maintain its empire, notice how even with the help of its allies the US's forces are already spread thin.

[A New Era]

I don't think it will ever happen. That would mean a lot of urban and rural guerilla war for the U.S. forces.


What would be the point? Cuba has no significant natural resources to exploit, apart from cobalt (available in larger amounts in Canada and Brazil) and chromium (also available, in much larger amounts, in Brazil).

And nickel?

IIRC, 1/3 of the nickel China needs is imported from Cuba.

[Lost In Translation]

I don't think it will ever happen. That would mean a lot of urban and rural guerilla war for the U.S. forces.

Yeah, I doubt the US would want that. Kinda reminds me of Vietnam, the guerilla fighting part. However, if America is to invade Cuba and take over the land, chances are there will be a lot of money spent on repairing the stuff that they blew up during the invasion.

[mykittyhasaboner]

However, if America is to invade Cuba and take over the land, chances are there will be a lot of money spent on repairing the stuff that they blew up during the invasion.
of course they would, and the corporations that do the rebuilding would benefit greatly.

Voted, Im not sure, i have another opinion.

it seems to me that the US wants to make Cuba starve, and collapse, with the whole embargo and all, rather than invading and destroying most of the country. the Bay of Pigs didn't go very well for the US, despite the fact that Cuba suffered much heavier losses.

if there was another invasion though, id be heading 90 miles south.

[lvl100]

I don't think it will ever happen. That would mean a lot of urban and rural guerilla war for the U.S. forces.



Yeah, I doubt the US would want that. Kinda reminds me of Vietnam, the guerrilla fighting part. However, if America is to invade Cuba and take over the land, chances are there will be a lot of money spent on repairing the stuff that they blew up during the invasion.

The USA dont need a conquest war here , like in Iraq. There is no oil and no Binladen expected to be hidden trough sugar canes.

In case of the war all they want is destabilization and the fall of the regime.
Like in Yugoslavia. There wasn't a a single soldier on the battlefield.
The raids of stealth planes who bombed bridges, power plants etc was enough to make the population unhappy and overthrow the leaders.
And te Serbians were much tougher than the Cubans also backed up by Russia and even a part of the French intelligence.

So all they need in Cuba is a few stealth B-2 bombers and the game is over.

The opinion of their allies ? They basically humiliated European powers when they attacked Yugoslavia, European`s powers backyard.
Iraq was also a full blow to France, Germany and Russia who had huge advantages trading with Saddam `s regime

Did they care ? Nope.
If they get without problems for their action above and still not loose support from its allies, do you think that attacking a small island will make them persona non grata ? I honestly doubt it.

[Christina_ML]

I don't believe the USA will invade Cuba, it seems more probable to me that Cuba will go capitalist via reforms. I just hope the power will move from the bureaucrats to the people and the youth which is definately more revolutionary.

Anyway, it will be very depressing, and to the worldwide left generally, to see the last proletarian state go capitalist, china style.

[Philosophical Materialist]

The US does not have the political capital to launch a conventional military offensive against socialist Cuba in the near future.

Like others have said it will continue to use subversion, espionage, and sabotage to destabilise, undermine and overthrow Cuba's government.

I think at the moment, Washington will use bribes and promises of IMF/World Bank loans to try and convince Cuba's leaders to adapt the Chinese method of capitalist restoration.

[bretty]

Do I see the U.S. invading Cuba militarily in the near future? No.
Do I see the U.S. continuing to fund reactionaries and the overthrow of socialism? Certainly yes.

This.

[Ol' Dirty]

It would be cost ineffective to invade Cuba. The state would have to invest a hella capital just to keep mi Cubanos y Cubanas out of la Bahía! :thumbup:

[Pablosdog]

i seriously doubt that this would even happen. I can't even fathom it happening any time soon due to the lack of U.S resources and a crippling economy.

:laugh:

[XII Bones IIX]

I think the US will most definitely invade Cuba. Certainly not now but in the future it's imminent unless our policies and tolerance for other nations improves. The capitalist government that runs our country right now is power hungry and war tripped. We're going to have to destroy every nation until our government is filled with all the power they can have. And even then they won't be happy because they'll have no one to argue with. I believe it most certainly will happen but not in the next ten years or so. Especially if Raul takes more of a Fidelesque stance.

[XII Bones IIX]

i seriously doubt that this would even happen. I can't even fathom it happening any time soon due to the lack of U.S resources and a crippling economy.


hey we're still grounded in the Middle East and now we're telling Russia that they better stay out of Georgia... OR ELSE!!!

we've been riding our golden pony for too long.

[Psy]

Given the recent Georgia crisis I don't know, the current ruling bureaucracy in the US has proven itself to be bat shit insane. Russian troops captured huge numbers of arms in Georgia that was never used, it seems the US was planning the Georgians to put up much more of a fight. If the US think it could actually take on the Russian army in its own backyard then it probably could think it can take on Castro.

[Abluegreen7]

Americans invading Cuba? You cant put it past the American Goverment. However Cuba's Independent and Sucessful actually one of the most Sucsessful countries in Latin america. Throughout the years theyve made several latin and south american allys. Plus this could cause the Farc to go crazy. Which could lead to a way more violent Columbia. I honestly dont think there will be an Invasion. I have heard though Bush on Cnn talking about using Revolutionaries to take back Cuba and allow US occupation or somthing like that. But it would make the International Community including China and maybe Russia look lower on the US than already. Come on wasnt Iraq and Afganistan enough? Best wishes to Fidel though. Hes lasted a while. Im worrying for how long Raul will last hes what 80 himself. Is there going to be a younger Generation of Cuban leaders?:cool:

[manic expression]

Is there going to be a younger Generation of Cuban leaders?

Yes, most definitely. Ricardo Alarcon is one that pops into mind. At any rate, the National Assembly has plenty of young communist leaders (to say nothing of the party itself), one of them is even a teenager IIRC. The younger generation is more than ready to defend and further the Cuban Revolution.

[Dust Bunnies]

Cuba, while on the list of countries is not on the top, Iran is a bigger priority. But it will be invaded eventually and I will laugh when the U.S. fails. As long as we can get Communist leaders each generation Cuba can survive.

[Comrade B]

Cuba, while on the list of countries is not on the top, Iran is a bigger priority.
I think that the US right definitely will push for a war with Iran, and if they gain enough power, will go ahead and invade (and fail due to over expansion). But if the US sees an opportunity to invade Cuba, they will take it over invading Iran.

[Dust Bunnies]

I think that the US right definitely will push for a war with Iran, and if they gain enough power, will go ahead and invade (and fail due to over expansion). But if the US sees an opportunity to invade Cuba, they will take it over invading Iran.

Yes, and the justification that they are Commies will give a reason, but to be honest, I'd think Cuba would be a harder fight than Iran.

[lvl100]

but to be honest, I'd think Cuba would be a harder fight than Iran.

I would call it wishful thinking, but no one can be so naive.

So i choose the more realistic version who made you think that way : the Cubans own now the Death Star and your the only outsider who find out about it :rolleyes:

[Harris]

My personal view is that with all the friends of Cuba that have popped up in the last few years (Governments and others) America would be in for a lot bigger fight than it would expect and it would probably go as poorly as the bar of pigs.
In regards to a counter-revolution being sparked by the current president of the states saying so it has been tried several times, beamed right into Cuba from America and every time the people just ignore it.
Mark

[Dust Bunnies]

I would call it wishful thinking, but no one can be so naive.

So i choose the more realistic version who made you think that way : the Cubans own now the Death Star and your the only outsider who find out about it :rolleyes:

As someone has said earlier in the thread, Cuba had made friends with other nations. Also, the U.S. would have to ferry their troops from florida to Cuba, its pretty obvious you're getting attack when you see a bunch of aircraft and vessels coming to you.

Bombardment and Blockade the U.S. will probably win.
But an Invasion if it happened tomorrow they will lose. The U.S. does not have the ground forces left to mount a sufficient attack. We are overextended in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention we have troops garrisoned into other places. If the U.S. was to have a draft a few months before the war then they could possibly win. Cuba and the U.S. has fought before, and if war was declared today it would be Bay of Pigs #2.

[lvl100]

I was refering about your " Cuba its harder to fight than Iran" stance.
Did you ever looked how Iran`s geography looks comparing to Cuba ?


My personal view is that with all the friends of Cuba that have popped up in the last few years (Governments and others) America would be in for a lot bigger fight than it would expect and it would probably go as poorly as the bar of pigs.

So who are those mighty friends of Cuba . considering that there is no more socialist country powerful enough and supporting Cuba means to atack USA at 2 km away from his own beaches.

Actually you dont need to answer to that.

Sweet dreams.

We should be worrying more with how we can counter the real weapons of capitalism : propaganda and capital`s corruption.
Not fantasize about how heroic men with just an AK-47 shoot down B-2 Stealth planes from the sky.

[manic expression]

The reason the Bay of Pigs invasion failed so badly was because the American mercenaries had no morale, they had no commitment to their cause beyond a desire to get back Daddy's farm. The revolutionary forces, on the other hand, were deeply committed to the cause of the Cuban Revolution. This, combined with the arrogance of the American imperialists led to their greatest - and first - defeat in the Americas.

Much the same thing happened in Angola. The imperialist forces were so confident in their victory that the CIA supposedly had a wine and cheese party the night before the decisive battle. When they woke up the next day, they found their pawns defeated and the revolutionary forces triumphant.

It's not enough to look at the military power of the US. While it is a great factor, we must also look at the unfailing willingness of the Cuban people to resist imperialism and defend their revolution. History has shown that determination to defend a cause is among the most invaluable resources available, and Cuba has it in loads.

[SamiBTX]

[quote=comrade stalin guevara;1208961]America cant wait to spank its naughty carribean son,quote]

:laugh:
Just like the British spanked the Falklands for having to audacity to want to be free?

[Comrade B]

Yes, and the justification that they are Commies will give a reason, but to be honest, I'd think Cuba would be a harder fight than Iran.

I think that Iran would turn into a situation like Iraq with a non-ending war with only a few military deaths a day, but adding up to a lot in the end. In the invasion of Cuba, the US would probably struggle for a long time in an extremely bloody fight to land on the Island. After the Cuban military is defeated though, there would most likely be very little civilian resistance (for a few years/months).

[Sendo]

Cuba could put up a better guerrilla front than Iraq, b/c while poor today still, they are nowhere near as broken down as Iraq was in 2003. I also think Chavez would commit troops to help out. MAybe it's just wishful thinking, but Castro sent troops to Angola. Considering the situation he ahd in his own country that was quite a thing to do. I don't think the leftist leaders of Latin America would want the tide to be reversed. To lose Cuba to a US invasion is far too symbolic for them to let it happen.