Does anyone get the feeling many on here are elitest?

[forward]

I dont need any of your smartass comments on my spelling,shut up, it's irrelavent. anyways lurking on many threads i've seen some inane statements made my some on this forum, which i find rather ironic, considering the social/economic structure they wish to create is all about equality. some of these statements migt turn people off. Like one thread I dont remember where is was, it was something like "everyone join a party now otherwise you're a stupid liberal shit", you're going to get a lot of working class people sliding away from being part of the revolution. in addition, i've noticed that when i asked a legit question, i get bombarded with insults. of course i have noticed that some people are geniunely kind. however the great majority speaks volume and is quite confusing for people like me trying to make sense of it.

[Lector Malibu]

Yeah there are some elitist folks here (cough trots cough:lol:).

Actually you know one thing I try and keep in mind is that alot of the members here are pretty young in comparison I guess. That does not excuse some of the pompous snotty attitudes though.

You're gonna run across it though I guess and you just gotta navigate you're way clear of those folks I guess. And it's the internet so a) It's hard to get a good scope of a person and b) because it's the internet all the much more reason for stuff like this to roll off you're back.

I will say despite there are some decent people here. I know that it might not seem that way at times but really there are.

[Trystan]

Capital letter when beginning a new sentence. :)

[Killfacer]

alot of one-upmanship definatly.

[Lector Malibu]

Capital letter when beginning a new sentence. :)


"Danger, Will Robinson Trot!"

[Trystan]

"Danger, Will Robinson Trot!"

:)

[Winter]

I think there are elitists everywhere though, not just within the Leftist movement. Oh, and this is post 200!!! I am better than you!!! Bow down before my might! :rolleyes:

[Norseman]

Well, IMO, it's really bizarre that there are leftist elitists at all. Historically, the left were the people who sat to the left of the president's chair in France; the people who were neither clergy, nor royalty. The poorest and most politically alienated portion of the population; 96% of the country in France, before the French revolution. It's strange to think that someone would align themselves with the left, and at the same time believe that some new bunch of elites should become the privileged elites who run the country. The left should insist on majority rule, not new kinds of dictators.

[Bud Struggle]

That whole idea that Marxist "own" Communism is pretty elitist. Say something that even slightly differs from the "Party Line" and you are shoved into a corner and called an "Opposing Ideology."

[danyboy27]

That whole idea that Marxist "own" Communism is pretty elitist. Say something that even slightly differs from the "Party Line" and you are shoved into a corner and called an "Opposing Ideology."

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[Plagueround]

That whole idea that Marxist "own" Communism is pretty elitist. Say something that even slightly differs from the "Party Line" and you are shoved into a corner and called an "Opposing Ideology."

Tom pretty much nailed why I oppose a lot of the restrictions around here, although I do think some are necessary because they would saturate some of the discussion here with needless arguing.

[politics student]

Tom pretty much nailed why I oppose a lot of the restrictions around here, although I do think some are necessary because they would saturate some of the discussion here with needless arguing.

I agree the restriction stops the same debate coming up in the theory section over and over again.

[pusher robot]

I agree the restriction stops the same debate coming up in the theory section over and over again.

Well thank god. I mean if there's one thing we mustn't have, it's debate. I mean, you might have people drawing their own conclusions!

What I don't understand is, if there are debates you are tired of having, why participate? Will the entire movement collapse if you don't participate in every single argument? Or can you just not stand the thought that someone, somewhere might be challenging your beliefs?

[Dr Mindbender]

Well thank god. I mean if there's one thing we mustn't have, it's debate. I mean, you might have people drawing their own conclusions!

What I don't understand is, if there are debates you are tired of having, why participate? Will the entire movement collapse if you don't participate in every single argument? Or can you just not stand the thought that someone, somewhere might be challenging your beliefs?

nope, if we allowed unfettered bombardments of the same tired arguments it would create a precedence and eventually we'd be swamped under a deluge of what is essentially, spam.

Besides thats why i contributed the idea of the FAQ sticky in this very board. If anyone has a question that doesnt appear they can put it up in OI -best way around it.

[F9]

That whole idea that Marxist "own" Communism is pretty elitist. Say something that even slightly differs from the "Party Line" and you are shoved into a corner and called an "Opposing Ideology."

then all of us Anarchists would be banned, but of course we are not.see?

Fuserg9:star:

[Lost In Translation]

Well thank god. I mean if there's one thing we mustn't have, it's debate. I mean, you might have people drawing their own conclusions!

What I don't understand is, if there are debates you are tired of having, why participate? Will the entire movement collapse if you don't participate in every single argument? Or can you just not stand the thought that someone, somewhere might be challenging your beliefs?
It gets tiring after you answer the same questions over and over again. Every few weeks, it seems we get a hardcore non-believer like forward. A few weeks ago it was a poster named raynai, who was anti-semitic AND defiant. All hell would run loose if we, say, unrestrict you all.

[comrade stalin guevara]

Its funny the trots here say shit like dont read stalin hes evil,
i [stalinist] just recommended a trotsky book as a good decent marxist read.

If anything i thought us stalinist would be eliteist but the trots win that hands down.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Oh for fuck sake. In politics, every group is elitist, because every group think that it is right and all the other groups are wrong. The "omgz you're such an elitist" line is such a cop-out. In my personal experience I've seen leftists and Christian fundamentalists call parties with mass popular support elitist, I've seen centre-left people call leftists elitists, I've seen anarcho-capitalists call leftists elitists, I've seen leftists call anarcho-capitalists elitists, I've seen socialists call capitalists elitists, I've seen anarchists call socialists elitists, I've seen Trotskyists call Stalinists elitists, I've seen Maoists call Trotskyists elitists, I've seen Thatcher-style neo-cons call other Thatcher-style neo-cons elitists, I've seen Republicans call Loyalists elitists and the list goes on and on and on. It really is bullshit, and I wish everyone would cut the crap.

[freakazoid]

All hell would run loose if we, say, unrestrict you all.

Deal with them AFTER they become a problem, not for some thought crime.

[comrade stalin guevara]

[quote=ever closer union;1208970]Oh for fuck sake. In politics, every group is elitist, because every group think that it is right and all the other groups are wrong. The "omgz you're such an elitist" line is such a cop-out. In my personal experience I've seen leftists and Christian fundamentalists call parties with mass popular support elitist, I've seen centre-left people call leftists elitists, I've seen anarcho-capitalists call leftists elitists, I've seen leftists call anarcho-capitalists elitists, I've seen socialists call capitalists elitists, I've seen anarchists call socialists elitists, I've seen Trotskyists call Stalinists elitists, I've seen Maoists call Trotskyists elitists, I've seen Thatcher-style neo-cons call other Thatcher-style neo-cons elitists, I've seen Republicans call Loyalists elitists and the list goes on and on and on. It really is bullshit, and I wish everyone would cut the crap.[/quote


Some stalinist are eliteist i have no illusions,
however here on revleft we are the most accepting of all.

[al8]

I find this elitist term to be very vacuous. What does it mean? Does it mean one is a member of the ruling class? Or just that one has some ruling class-esque qualities about oneself? That one considers oneself a good person among peers, is dismissive, selective of this or that kind of persons, or what? And why being elitist a bad thing?

[Black Dagger]

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"everyone join a party now otherwise you're a stupid liberal shit", you're going to get a lot of working class people sliding away from being part of the revolution.

I agree that's bullshit, not all communists support the building of politcal parties.



in addition, i've noticed that when i asked a legit question, i get bombarded with insults. of course i have noticed that some people are geniunely kind. however the great majority speaks volume and is quite confusing for people like me trying to make sense of it.

I'm sorry you've found people so hostile; i would suggest not taking the approach of some as a reflection on all.

[Lost In Translation]

I dont need any of your smartass comments on my spelling,shut up, it's irrelavent. anyways lurking on many threads i've seen some inane statements made my some on this forum, which i find rather ironic, considering the social/economic structure they wish to create is all about equality. some of these statements migt turn people off. Like one thread I dont remember where is was, it was something like "everyone join a party now otherwise you're a stupid liberal shit", you're going to get a lot of working class people sliding away from being part of the revolution. in addition, i've noticed that when i asked a legit question, i get bombarded with insults. of course i have noticed that some people are geniunely kind. however the great majority speaks volume and is quite confusing for people like me trying to make sense of it.

I'm sorry, but we really don't like the fact that you don't seem satisfied with the more than detailed responses to your questions. Sometimes we get pissed off when you attack us with with no proof and spray generalizations our way. We encourage educated debates, not rude accusations.

[Norseman]

I find this elitist term to be very vacuous. What does it mean? Does it mean one is a member of the ruling class? Or just that one has some ruling class-esque qualities about oneself? That one considers oneself a good person among peers, is dismissive, selective of this or that kind of persons, or what? And why being elitist a bad thing?

Elitist means someone who wants a group of elites, or a single elite to run a country. As opposed to the working class and the majority. It's bad because elitists oppose rule by the proletariat.

[Module]

Somehow I doubt he meant that, Norseman

e·lit·ism
–noun
1.practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2.consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Well thank god. I mean if there's one thing we mustn't have, it's debate. I mean, you might have people drawing their own conclusions!

What I don't understand is, if there are debates you are tired of having, why participate? Will the entire movement collapse if you don't participate in every single argument? Or can you just not stand the thought that someone, somewhere might be challenging your beliefs?

LoL there too busy arguing over irrelevant ideologies from dead power mongers than to take on those debates which they should be arguing.

And not just with the normal canned answers, either.

[forward]

i do realise eliteism is evident on all political ideologies, however the vast majority of lefitsts (and not just on this forum) seem to somehow thing they superior, and thus anyone who questions them is inferior. if communism is an ideology that strives for equality, how is elieteism justified? am i the only one who sees the inherent contradictions? unless, of course, communism is an elite ideology and only those who are dedicated marxists should reap the rewards of society's labour, perhpas with such additude you'll encourage the gravitation of the workingclass or those who theroretically like the idea to a more conservative position.....

[Bright Banana Beard]

For the topic question, I feel there is elitism. But it just not much, it is mostly dogmatic and idiot thinking that whatever Marx or other people say is right and other who disagreed must be a revisionist or anti-communist. Anarchist suffers from nihilist movement and the skirmish between individualist and socialist, even from the fatal concept of "communicating". I am sure many are aware of their flaw and don't think they are superior, but only offering a alternative to handle the material production.

[Led Zeppelin]

Its funny the trots here say shit like dont read stalin hes evil,
i [stalinist] just recommended a trotsky book as a good decent marxist read.

If anything i thought us stalinist would be eliteist but the trots win that hands down.

Oh really? Yeah, it was really un-elitist when you said that all Trotskyists should die or some other garbage like that:


your just pissed off trotgoat dident do anytrhing
compared to the glorious stalin

If you dont like stalin dont read about him this is for us stalinist if you dont like fuck off

You're a joke.


Some stalinist are eliteist i have no illusions,
however here on revleft we are the most accepting of all.

Bwahahaha, you call yourself a Stalinist and you think you are actually one?

Give me and every other serious Marxist-Leninist here a break.

[534634634265]

oh god, lets quickly devolve into name calling! i havent had enough pissing contest, please, lets do that more.:rolleyes:

pusher raises a valid point. if you don't like the content of a thread, don't post in it. works for me!:thumbup:

[Led Zeppelin]

oh god, lets quickly devolve into name calling! i havent had enough pissing contest, please, lets do that more.:rolleyes:

pusher raises a valid point. if you don't like the content of a thread, don't post in it. works for me!:thumbup:

...and yet you only posted in this thread to say that you don't like the content.

[comrade stalin guevara]

Led zep,
i dont think all trotgoats shoul die,
i get angry at there aggressive post they wont accecpt any other view me i recommended the permanent revolution as a good read [passmore] for god sake i thought stalinist if any 'clique' would be eliteist like i said they are very eliteist,
and again its good stalinist are finally getting a say,
its pissing off the trotgoats, opps i might get banned for being to stalinist?,
cc dont scare me though and cant silence me either.

[Led Zeppelin]

Don't worry, no one will ban you, you're quite a good jester for us.

[comrade stalin guevara]

Hey dont use the un educated man for your own benefit,
its un communist.

This is why i lean towards the stalinist there more accepting and less eliteist.

[Led Zeppelin]

Don't try to put yourself in the position of the victim.

When you write garbage like "trotgoat" and delusional crap about "stalinists finally getting a say" you open yourself up for ridicule.

It has nothing to do with education.

[comrade stalin guevara]

What he looks like a goat!
and that stalinist finally get a say thing in the past 3 days there has been
2 stalinist banned,

Again liberaCHE thank you comrade.

[Led Zeppelin]

Which two Stalinists were banned for being Stalinists?

That's just absurd, we have Marxist-Leninists/Stalinists who are Moderators on the forum.

Oh, yeah, and Stalin looked like a Walrus, how funny. :glare:

[comrade stalin guevara]

I dont know what they were banned for,
aurelia was one with comments about ice picks in heads.

[Led Zeppelin]

Aurelia was banned for being a sock-puppet of a banned member, not for "being a Stalinist".

[eyedrop]

I'm quite sure that most of my opinions are totally wrong, as most the opinions of every human has lived have been wrong. I would be vastly surprised if I actually was right about everything, but I like to think that I put more thought into most of my opinions than my most of my contemptiaries.

I would gladly sell a kidney to be able to visit earth 500ish years from now and discover what I have been mistaken about.

Besides everyone is sure that they are right and others are wrong so they are at least somewhat elitist.