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Invader Zim
15th February 2003, 22:43
In the past Saddam Hussain has waged war 2 times i can think of, however that does not mean there are not more.

He has had all his political opponents "Scilenced". This involved bribing, deporting, torturing ohh and his most common choise of killing any one who stands in his way.

Saddam has also systamatically stripped his people of their Civil, political and human rights. Censorship of the press, banning of elections, removal of oppostion... the list goes on and on.

The sanctions on iraq was designed to punish Saddam, shame that all internal produse is commondeared by the state and not distributed to the people. However the UN is sending the people aid packages... But unfortunatly Saddam likes to steal it from his people rather than distributing it. It goes straight to the army.

But now we gaet to the most horrific of all his war crimes and acts of genocide: - (these facts were taken from the following site http://www.lifefocuscenter.com/truth.htm)

1. Crimes against humanity and possibly genocide against Iraqi Kurds in northern Iraq. This includes the destruction of over 3,000 villages. The Iraqi government's campaign of forced deportations of Kurdish and Turkomen families to southern Iraq has created approximately 900,000 internally displaced citizens throughout the country.

2. Crimes against humanity and possibly genocide against Marsh Arabs and Shi'a Arabs in southern Iraq. Entire populations of villages have been forcibly expelled. Government forces have burned their houses and fields, demolished houses with bulldozers, and undertaken a deliberate campaign to drain and poison the marshes. Thousands of civilians have been summarily executed.

3. The use of poison gas and other war crimes against Iran and the Iranian people during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Iraq summarily executed thousands of Iranian prisoners of war as a matter of policy.

4. The "Anfal" campaign in the late 1980's against the Iraqi Kurds, including the use of poison gas on cities. In one of the worst single mass killings in recent history, Iraq dropped chemical weapons on Halabja in 1988, in which as many as 5,000 people -- mostly civilians -- were killed.

These crimes will continue, hundreds of thousands will be purged. Millions will probebly be torured, evicted from their homes and denied their human rights, if we allow Saddam Hussain to stay in power. Of course many people say the people of Iraq could revolt and over throw him, or have him executed, or assasinated. 5 countrys have indipendantly tried to have him assasinated GB, Israil, USA, Iran i also think that France have had a go but i would not swear to it. Revolution is out of the question. He's survived 24 years without revolution even while systamatically persicuting his people. He does this by removing all his political opponents and murdering many of his people, rather like Hitler and Stalin did...

And all those people who marched World Wide thin its Immoral to go to war with him!!! Jesus Christ is Doubly Immoral to even let him rule for another day never mind howevermany years it would take to diplomatically remove him.


BOMB IRAQ ITS NOT IMMORAL COMPAIRED TO HOW IMMORAL IT IS TO LET HIM STAY DICTATOR.

Below is a letter i found on the NET which is a rather good description of crimes Saddam has commited: -

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To their Excellency Head of States, and the United Nations Secretary General and Security Council,

Dear Sirs,

Saddam Hussain and other officers of his regime in Iraq have committed grave crimes of genocide against the people of Iraq. They have committed war crimes, crimes against humanity and ecological crimes against Iraq's neighbors and in the region.

In specific, Saddam and other officers of the regime individually and collectively have committed the following crimes:

(a) Willful killing, using Iraq armed forces and security force, including the use of chemical weapons which was outlawed under the Geneva Conventions against Iraqi civilians.

(B) Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments on Iraqi political prisoners.

© Willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health to Iraqis suspected of disloyalty to Saddam's absolute rule over Iraq.

(d) Extensive destruction and appropriation of properties and destruction of cities, towns or villages not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly.

(e) Willfully depriving prisoners of war and civilians of the rights of fair and regular trial. Unlawful treatment of civilians including deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement and plunder of public and private property.

(f) Seizure of, destruction or willful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, historic monuments and works of art and science.

In light of your current measures taken against the Serbian Government and President and in accordance with your general assembly resolution 260 (III) A of 9th. Dec.1948 (The prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide, entered into force on 12th. Jan, 1951), we the undersigned ask you, in the name of humanity and the oppressed Iraqi people, to support the creation of a special UN commission to investigate the crimes committed by Saddam and other officers of his regime against the Iraqi people and others in the region, leading to the creation of a special tribunal under the UN Charter to indict and prosecute those responsible wherever such measures are warranted by the evidence.

Looking forward to your fast and positive action, with anticipation.

Faithfully,
Signatories

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And most of you people think its immoral not to go to war with him....... OK Thats Logical.

Xvall
15th February 2003, 22:45
That's all well and good. But if Saddam is such a bad person; why do you want to destroy his people? That's like saying:

Man! The mayor is a prick! Let's blow up the city!

Michael De Panama
15th February 2003, 23:20
Okay, I now can safely say that AK47 is by far the biggest baffoon on this message board.

Anonymous
15th February 2003, 23:23
Bigger than I? :sad: :biggrin: :wink:

Guardia Bolivariano
15th February 2003, 23:23
DAMN IT AK47 THINK BEFORE YOU POST!

Anonymous
15th February 2003, 23:37
Wait, I think AK47s' got something here...hmmm

After reading his post, (something which I usually abstain from doing) I have found that I actually concur with him. Fancy that!

Guardia Bolivariano
15th February 2003, 23:44
Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 11:37 pm on Feb. 15, 2003
Wait, I think AK47s' got something here...hmmm

After reading his post, (something which I usually abstain from doing) I have found that I actually concur with him. Fancy that!

This says alot about AK47 and where he truely belongs don't you think?;)

Hegemonicretribution
15th February 2003, 23:45
People are not supporting the war and the attrocities that would be commited by the retarded U.S. soldiers who couldn't hit the right fucking country if they tried and their ass kissing British minions. This doesn't mean they support Saddam Hussein.

Pete
15th February 2003, 23:59
SAY NO TO CAPITALISTIC WAR SAY NO TO CAPITALISTIC PEACE....

AK, I dunno man.....

Just Joe
16th February 2003, 00:13
good god. you really are a cock, AK-47.

Michael De Panama
16th February 2003, 00:44
Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 5:23 pm on Feb. 15, 2003
Bigger than I? :sad: :biggrin: :wink:

By far. You, or any of the other capitalist for that matter, don't go calling people "xenophobes" or "racists" or "homophobes" or "bigoted" for saying they thought the user name "englandsgay" was stupidly funny. You don't whine about how inhumane fox hunting is, even though you support the meat industry packing cows in factories with the sole purpose in life being to get shot in the head with a nail gun and later processed into a whopper. You aren't going off on tangents about how you just realized that Karl Marx wasn't the first leftist. And, above all, you don't consider yourself "leftist", even though your political stances in general completely conflict with everything the left stands for.

AK47 doesn't even understand the meaning of "war". He's never seen what happens when the US invades a nation to oust an evil dictator from power. He would rather worry about whether or not people are using naughty words than whether or not thousands of innocent civilians are going to die, just to prop up a newer US-friendly tyrannical oppressive dictatorship, such as Saddam Hussein's regime once was. This is the so-called "left".

Mazdak
16th February 2003, 00:56
Yes, he is one of those people who i hate. The stereotypcial pseudo leftist. He is possibly the greatest representation of che lives.

Hegemonicretribution
16th February 2003, 00:59
The oppinion could be better understood if you said attack Iraq, not bomb it. By bombing as you suggested in the title you realise civillian life will be lost. Now who is being petty about word use?

CruelVerdad
19th February 2003, 23:49
Yes, you`re right that Saddam is a bastard too, and in somehow he has to stop controling and doing whatever he wants in Iraq, there must be a revolution inside the country. But for the moment we have to stop this war, because many countrys [US - UK] will attack a small country with all their military potencial killing innocent people, destroying everything... causing a devastation!

synthesis
20th February 2003, 04:10
Quote: from Mazdak on 12:56 am on Feb. 16, 2003
Yes, he is one of those people who i hate. The stereotypcial pseudo leftist. He is possibly the greatest representation of che lives.


Even though apparently everyone here hates him?

Trolling words if I've ever seen 'em!

Disgustipated
20th February 2003, 16:45
In the past Saddam Hussain has waged war 2 times i can think of, however that does not mean there are not more.

Only 2? When's the last time you counted the US' number of "aggressions"

He has had all his political opponents "Scilenced". This involved bribing, deporting, torturing ohh and his most common choise of killing any one who stands in his way.

Lots of articles about immigrants being grabbed and held with no trial here right now

Saddam has also systamatically stripped his people of their Civil, political and human rights. Censorship of the press, banning of elections, removal of oppostion... the list goes on and on.

Patriot Act 1 and soon coming 2....
Banning elections? What about stealing them?
Censorship of the press? Check out Operation Mockingbird.

The sanctions on iraq was designed to punish Saddam, shame that all internal produse is commondeared by the state and not distributed to the people. However the UN is sending the people aid packages... But unfortunatly Saddam likes to steal it from his people rather than distributing it. It goes straight to the army.

Where are the facts to support this? America bombed the water treatment plants, sewerage treatment plants, bridges and other civilian infrastructure targets which by the way our outlawed by the UN

But now we gaet to the most horrific of all his war crimes and acts of genocide: - (these facts were taken from the following site http://www.lifefocuscenter.com/truth.htm)

1. Crimes against humanity and possibly genocide against Iraqi Kurds in northern Iraq. This includes the destruction of over 3,000 villages. The Iraqi government's campaign of forced deportations of Kurdish and Turkomen families to southern Iraq has created approximately 900,000 internally displaced citizens throughout the country.

2. Crimes against humanity and possibly genocide against Marsh Arabs and Shi'a Arabs in southern Iraq. Entire populations of villages have been forcibly expelled. Government forces have burned their houses and fields, demolished houses with bulldozers, and undertaken a deliberate campaign to drain and poison the marshes. Thousands of civilians have been summarily executed.

3. The use of poison gas and other war crimes against Iran and the Iranian people during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Iraq summarily executed thousands of Iranian prisoners of war as a matter of policy.

4. The "Anfal" campaign in the late 1980's against the Iraqi Kurds, including the use of poison gas on cities. In one of the worst single mass killings in recent history, Iraq dropped chemical weapons on Halabja in 1988, in which as many as 5,000 people -- mostly civilians -- were killed.

I have only one response to this that should be sufficient. The American Indian. We dilliberately distributed blankets with small pox virus to them, almost eradicating the entire community...What would you call that? Almost every nation on earth is guilty of some sort of genocide of it's native peoples. I'm not saying it makes it right...I'm just saying that we shouldn't be pointing the finger at anyone.

These crimes will continue, hundreds of thousands will be purged. Millions will probebly be torured, evicted from their homes and denied their human rights, if we allow Saddam Hussain to stay in power. Of course many people say the people of Iraq could revolt and over throw him, or have him executed, or assasinated. 5 countrys have indipendantly tried to have him assasinated GB, Israil, USA, Iran i also think that France have had a go but i would not swear to it. Revolution is out of the question. He's survived 24 years without revolution even while systamatically persicuting his people. He does this by removing all his political opponents and murdering many of his people, rather like Hitler and Stalin did...

And all those people who marched World Wide thin its Immoral to go to war with him!!! Jesus Christ is Doubly Immoral to even let him rule for another day never mind howevermany years it would take to diplomatically remove him.

Mazdak
20th February 2003, 19:40
Quote: from DyerMaker on 4:10 am on Feb. 20, 2003

Quote: from Mazdak on 12:56 am on Feb. 16, 2003
Yes, he is one of those people who i hate. The stereotypcial pseudo leftist. He is possibly the greatest representation of che lives.


Even though apparently everyone here hates him?

Trolling words if I've ever seen 'em!


Thanks. But i can think of quite a few people who are just like him on this board. in fact, most of the people who come here are like him except for a small group of mislead hypocrites who do debate but also like to silence and cage opposition.

But back to Saddam. AK, what kind of idiot are you? You think the US is going into Iraq to help the people? So they are going to bomb their cities, seize their oilfields, and kill thousands, perhaps more. All this is HELPFUL to the iraqis?

Saddam has provided as much stability as he could. And as for the so called genocide and oppression of the kurds, most kurds admit it isnt on such a vast scale. In fact, i do believe the CIA admitted it wasnt. There is no kurdish genocide.

What will happen when the kurds get their freedom? Turkey will invade and then you will see what genocide is. The only difference is because Turkey is a US ally, there will be no coverage of Turkey's imperialism(already displayed in Cypress(spelling?))

Cassius Clay
20th February 2003, 19:57
Indeed the average Iraqi doesn't have much like for Saddam but more than likely they will fight to the death against the people whom have been bombing their homes and family's for the last twelve years. I'm pretty sure I would.

You only have to look at Argentina in the Falklands war, hundreds of political prisoners demanded guns to go and fight the British during the conflict. Despite the fact they were in the most horrendous jails. Argentina's military junta was equally as bad if not worse than Saddam and the British hadn't been killing tens of thousands of them for a decade or more. Point is if the Argentine Fascists could rally round the nation in those circumstances (and it was them who launched the agression) Saddam is going to be able to rally alot of people.

Mazdak's right, I mean I don't like Saddam he kills Communists but do you not think CNN would just slightly overexagerate what a evil regime it is? If you think the Kurds suffer under Saddam then just wait when Turks roll in.

thursday night
20th February 2003, 20:05
I believe that the people of Iraq will rally in unity and wage a patriotic war against the imperialist invaders. Why? Because their sense of nationality and their sense of unity as Arabs is at stake when the Americans invade.

redstar2000
20th February 2003, 23:41
In the "Irish Holocaust" thread (Politics). AK47 wrote that he "had friends who were capitalists" and that he "trusted them."

This is what comes from that kind of trust. A complete captive of the capitalist media, AK47 has no better idea of conditions in Iraq than he has of conditions at the Martian equator...yet he ends up trusting the American Empire to set things "right".

As they have "set things right" in Afghanistan, no doubt.

:cool: