do you consider yourself a capitalist??

[danyboy27]

how much people here consider themselves has hardcore capitalist?
and when i ask that, i dont mean if you make money off the living of your employee or if you own a 50 inch tv.

by capitalist i mean, real hardcore capitalist, texas style, over-individualist, that dont care about the poor or the other folks, zero social awarness, close minded redneck folk?

btw, this topic is not a troll, or an invitation to troll, this is a sincere question.

[disobey]

Certainly not, however I would say that there was a time when I was more inclined to such behaviour (back in the 90's), however since I was a child of Thatcher-era politics, I think it goes without saying I wasn't the only one who cared only of themselves and damned the rest.

My perception all changed in 1997 with the election of New Tory (oh, I mean Labour) and it seemed like the dark days were behind us.

Heh.

[forward]

wow how is the topic not trolling? nice generalization. i dont support capitalism 100%, but, in general, i support the economic system in the US which is not capitalism, it's a mixed economy. i care about the poor, thats why i support a mixed economy as opposed to socialism.

[danyboy27]

wow how is the topic not trolling? nice generalization. i dont support capitalism 100%, but, in general, i support the economic system in the US which is not capitalism, it's a mixed economy. i care about the poor, thats why i support a mixed economy as opposed to socialism.

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[comrade stalin guevara]

wow how is the topic not trolling? nice generalization. i dont support capitalism 100%, but, in general, i support the economic system in the US which is not capitalism, it's a mixed economy. i care about the poor, thats why i support a mixed economy as opposed to socialism.

You contradict your self mixed eco dont work for the poor,
hows compton today?
hows watts?
hows any number of poor communities in the usa black or white?

[danyboy27]

You contradict your self mixed eco dont work for the poor,
hows compton today?
hows watts?
hows any number of poor communities in the usa black or white?

seriously, forget foward, you know, to me, i dont really understand why he here anyway, he dosnt support any social move, and dont want to change anything, i got the feeling that he came to revleft only to attack anything socialist

[Lynx]

Are there ordinary workers who consider themselves capitalists?
Don't you have to be an entrepreneur or investor or have future plans other than just working and receiving a salary?

[forward]

The poor people have loads of social programs to help them, in America and many other countries. If they work hard they can escape poverty. That is why I favour the current economic system, as opposed to socialism, where everyone is misrable.

[Comrade Rage]

The poor people have loads of social programs to help them, in America and many other countries. If they work hard they can escape poverty.
Actually, as I or anyone else who is trapped in these programs can attest, they are not set up to help anyone escape poverty. There are 'coverage gaps' that are based on the poverty level, which hasn't been updated since 1970. Often times, you're better off just living on the program, because if you make an extra $20/month you'll lose $75 in benefits.

Not updating the poverty level is just one more way that the bourgeosie can deny the problem of poverty in America while screwing over the working class.:thumbdown:

[forward]

In America, it's easy to get a job though. Seriously, if you dont want to be poor, go to college and then you can get loads of money when you get a job after school.

[Killfacer]

not likely there are gonna be loads of dodgy neo-con idiots on this site is there. Tomk owns aload of shit, and has employees. But thats about as far as anyone here goes.

[MadMoney]

The only labour I "exploit" is fraternity pledge labour (for now). But I am what Marx calls a "capitalist" in that I support the free market. I don't care for much of anything that ends in "-ism."

[534634634265]

In America, it's easy to get a job though. Seriously, if you dont want to be poor, go to college and then you can get loads of money when you get a job after school.
yeah, cuz anyone can go to college. your quite the dim bulb eh? college costs money, and puts most into debt for the rest of their lives. the lucky few who make it big get held up as an example of how anyone can. also where do you live, cuz jobs are fucking scarce in most places. sure you can get some jobs, but are you qualified for them? or are they more like menial labor that makes you hate your existence? cuz those are the only types of "jobs" i see available in most places.

[EvigLidelse]

I don't wouldn't call myself a capitalist, especially not in the way you're describing it. I do believe that capitalim is the most effective economic system today.

[danyboy27]

I don't wouldn't call myself a capitalist, especially not in the way you're describing it. I do believe that capitalim is the most effective economic system today.

yes it is, unfortunatly a lot of people in the society of today pay for that progress, from the homeless in america to the 11 year old chinese boy manufacturing our shoes.

[EvigLidelse]

yes it is, unfortunatly a lot of people in the society of today pay for that progress, from the homeless in america to the 11 year old chinese boy manufacturing our shoes.

It's not like they're paying us, it's symbiotic. The thing is that we earn the most out of it. We're not the ones to set their salaries either..

[RedAnarchist]

I don't wouldn't call myself a capitalist, especially not in the way you're describing it. I do believe that capitalim is the most effective economic system today.

Thats probably because its virtually the only one allowed to exist and if you want to replace it with one that actually considers people rather than profits, you're fighting an uphill battle.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

yes it is, unfortunatly a lot of people in the society of today pay for that progress, from the homeless in america to the 11 year old chinese boy manufacturing our shoes.

-There are plenty of shelters in America, and the chronic homeless rate has fallen drastically. Many who are currently homeless choose to live that way.

-Too bad China's revolution wasn't able to guarantee labor the rights they have in the US. And if he doesn't like his job, he should quit.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Thats probably because its virtually the only one allowed to exist and if you want to replace it with one that actually considers people rather than profits, you're fighting an uphill battle.

Yeah, you're fighting reality.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

by capitalist i mean, real hardcore capitalist, texas style, over-individualist, that dont care about the poor or the other folks, zero social awarness, close minded redneck folk?


Now that's one of the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.

How much have you, or any socialist group in this country, given to the poor? Whether by volunteer or out of your pocket?

While all you are on here arguing over nothing, great philanthropists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Ted Turner (just to name a few) have given billions and large %s of their own personal wealth to charity all over the world.

If these aren't the 'hardcore cappies,' who is?

[danyboy27]

Now that's one of the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.

How much have you, or any socialist group in this country, given to the poor? Whether by volunteer or out of your pocket?

While all you are on here arguing over nothing, great philanthropists like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Ted Turner (just to name a few) have given billions and large %s of their own personal wealth to charity all over the world.

If these aren't the 'hardcore cappies,' who is?

i give already 33% of my salary to the provincial governement that provide free health care, social security and other important social services to the whole country.

how much do you give to the poor or to social organisations?

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

i give already 33% of my salary to the provincial governement that provide free health care, social security and other important social services to the whole country.

how much do you give to the poor or to social organisations?

Outside of what is taken by the government, nothing.

I barely make enough at the moment to support myself comfortably.

[RedAnarchist]

-There are plenty of shelters in America, and the chronic homeless rate has fallen drastically. Many who are currently homeless choose to live that way.

No, they don't. Many have mental illnesses or drug addictions, which often means that they get kicked out of such shelters.


-Too bad China's revolution wasn't able to guarantee labour the rights they have in the US. And if he doesn't like his job, he should quit.

The workers in America only have more rights because the capitalists of America are more scared of them than the Chinese ruling classes were of their people and so gave them more concessions in an attempt to pacify them.

And if he doesn't like his job, he should just quit? What utter defeatist, liberal crap. If you don't agree with the status quo, you fight to change it, you don't just give up.

[RedAnarchist]

Yeah, you're fighting reality.

Reality is an hierarchy? I'm sure it is for the rich and powerful, but what about the working classes? The everyday people who don't benefit from having huge amounts of disposable income?

[RedAnarchist]

Outside of what is taken by the government, nothing.

I barely make enough at the moment to support myself comfortably.

Thats capitalism for you, but you would rather stay like that. I suggest you read some leftist literature, because what the Left is fighting for benefits people like you greatly.

[forward]

crackedlogic yes anyone can get into college. tuition isnt even that expensive. is this your execuse???? college opens a tremendous amount of doors and really anyone can get anywhere.

[OI OI OI]

So far I have never encountered anyone that considers himself/herself capitalist!
Maybe because I don't hang out with the big bourgeosie:lol:

[EvigLidelse]

So far I have never encountered anyone that considers himself/herself capitalist!
Maybe because I don't hang out with the big bourgeosie:lol:

I can't see why you should call yourself a capitalist since it's a termed most used by haters, and capitalism isn't an ideology either.

[SharStar]

i just work for money. i like to spend much money for alcohol drinks :laugh:

but i'mn not capitalist, and i hate them