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Larissa
11th February 2003, 11:38
(I'm posting this on behalf of a colleague of mine)

Fox News Network is the biggest cable news channel in the United States. Its principal political commentator is a gentleman by the name of Bill O'Reilly. Today he urged viewers to tell their children that war is necessary. "My bootcamp was September 11." I'm quoting from memory, so this may not be entirely verbatim. Here's what Mr. O'Reilly said the on Feb. 7:

"Of course, overseas, nothing the USA could say would change the minds of the French, Germans and Chinese, who want bad things to happen to us... Now, I'm getting real tired of ignorant Americans blasting their country when they're clueless about history and geopolitics. Many of the loudest voices of dissent are also the dumbest voices.The truth is that America must now protect itself against fanatics who hate freedom and knowledge. And we must protect the world without the help of cowardly countries like France and Germany, and opportunistic countries like China and Russia. The task is almost impossible, but if anyone can do it, we can." On Feb. 3, Mr. O'Reilly said: "Americans also know that countries like France, Germany, Canada, and Russia have given Saddam hope. They are, in effect, Saddam enablers. If the West had shown a united front against Saddam, he'd already be out of there. So it will be interesting to see how Mr. Bush deals with enablers, and Mexico is included in that group."

On Jan. 30: "So if President Bush is going to remove Saddam Hussein from power, I'm going to support that because I have an obligation to protect my family. I think most Americans see it that way."

Mr. O'Reilly is one of the most influential men in America. He calls his show a "no spin zone." Here's an account of a recent interview:

"bill o'reilly attacks 9/11 family member by Not in Our Name - February 07, 2003

Fox News' Bill O'Reilly Threatens Physical Assault On and Ejects a 9/11 Family Member From His Show

On February 4th, during a live interview on the Fox News program "The O'Reilly Factor," media personality Bill O'Reilly verbally attacked Jeremy M. Glick, a signer of the Not In Our Name "Statement of Conscience" whose father was killed in the World Trade Center on 9/11. Bill O'Reilly has referred to the signers of the Statement as "anti-American" and has said they should be "held accountable" for the expression of their dissenting
opinion. After cutting short the interview Bill O'Reilly threatened Mr. Glick, a professor at Rutgers University and teacher in the state prisons system, with physical violence.

The following day, Bill O'Reilly continued his attacks on Mr. Glick by falsely claiming that Mr. Glick "was out of control and spewing hatred." The transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor" itself shows that these statements are wrong. What Mr. Glick said was "Why would I want to further brutalize and punish the people of Afghanistan." "The people of Afghanistan didn't kill my father," and the CIA ". that trained a hundred thousand Mujahedeen" bore some responsibility. Mr. Glick remained calm, focused and dignified throughout the entire show. The video shows it was Bill O'Reilly that lost his composure. After the interview he told Mr. Glick to "Get out, get out of my studio before I tear you to f**king pieces!"

Mr. Glick was invited to the Fox News show after the January 27th appearance of Miles Solay, a NION Project spokesperson. Solay's interview was prompted by that day's publication in the New York Times of the Statement of Conscience, which has been signed by over 50,000 Americans, including Howard Zinn, Susan Sarandon, Edward Asner, Martin Sheen and Cornel West, to name a few noteworthy signers. The statement, which Le Monde called the "sacred text of the anti-war movement," has been published in over 40 journals and newspapers across the US, and 7 countries internationally.

On the 1/27 show, Bill O'Reilly challenged Mr. Solay that "Nobody signed this from September 11th." Mr. Solay pointed out that Jeremy M. Glick, among others who had suffered family loss on 9/11, had signed the Statement. Mr. Glick accepted an invitation to the show to explain why he had signed a document that reads in part: "We believe that people of conscience must take responsibility for what their own governments do."
During the interview Mr. Glick endured verbal barrages like, ". I don't really care what you think," ".so you keep you mouth shut," and "Shut up. Shut up. Shut up."

End of quote. Actually, I heard Mr. O'Reilly refer to the signatories of the "Not in Our Name" declaration as un-American. A term with a weighty pedigree.

...any comments?

(Edited by Larissa at 8:40 am on Feb. 11, 2003)

Tkinter1
11th February 2003, 16:53
Who cares what Bill O'reilly says?

RedFW
11th February 2003, 17:10
I really don't care what Bill O'Reilly says, but he does piss me off.

I remember shortly after 11th Sept. one of the news channels in the UK was airing footage from New York, which was supplied by Fox News and Bill O'Reilly was taking telephone calls. Someone said something like I think we [America] should be very cautious about blaming anyone and even more cautious about attacking a country like Afghanistan because America could potentially kill many innocent people (as if they haven't already). And Bill O'Reilly said "I say strike while the iron is hot".

He is a bloodthirsty bastard, IMHO. And it is very easy to produce such bastards in a country whose military can simply drop an endless number of powerful bombs instead of placing troops on the ground.

Larissa
11th February 2003, 17:37
Does this guy (Bill) has "that" much power or influence over ppl in the US?

Tkinter1
11th February 2003, 20:20
"(as if they haven't already)."

Yeah...Civilian cassualites were low....

"Does this guy (Bill) has "that" much power or influence over ppl in the US?"

Absolutley not!

Exploited Class
11th February 2003, 21:15
He has the highest rated talk show on TV so I would say yes, yes he does have a lot of influence. Also if you delve into his background you will see how much he has worked with the Republican Party.

Larissa
11th February 2003, 21:23
Quote: from exploitedclass on 6:15 pm on Feb. 11, 2003
He has the highest rated talk show on TV so I would say yes, yes he does have a lot of influence. Also if you delve into his background you will see how much he has worked with the Republican Party.
That's scary...

Invader Zim
11th February 2003, 21:47
I agree with the war on Iraq on a moral basis that dictaators such as he cannot be allowed to exist. However this guy is insane. Is he from one of the southern states and say things like "godamn Nig's" ect, and be the typical dumb-ass KKK member.

canikickit
11th February 2003, 21:56
I'd pay money to see Bill O'Reilly performing live. Top class comedy.

Exploited Class
11th February 2003, 21:59
You can listen to and read the whole above transcript here.

http://64.176.94.191/article1253.htm

(Edited by exploitedclass at 9:59 pm on Feb. 11, 2003)

Larissa
12th February 2003, 02:22
...If your neighbor bombs your car, is it wise or even helpful to chain your wife to the bed?

This is the kind of thinking that permeates the Bush Administration.

LeonardoDaVinci
12th February 2003, 02:37
aaaah...fox news, the great bastion of enlightenment and freedom of speech. Today, one of the guests of fox and friends put forward his theory that the reason the French are against this war is that they are afraid that the US might discover evidence implicating france with Iraq's 'supposed' illegal programmes for weapons of mass distruction. Then, the spent the entire show making derogatory remarks about the French. Extremely professional and objective.

I'm surprised that anyone over 12 would actually watch that channel or pay any attention to what it says.

timbaly
12th February 2003, 02:52
Quote: from Larissa on 4:23 pm on Feb. 12, 2003

That's scary...


I think Bill O'Reilly is much more of a positive influence in america than most talk show hosts. For the most part he's skeptical of the gov't, which is positive for Americans because he just doesn't take whats given to him, he analyzes it and breaks it down for the people. I must say i don't agree with many of his ideas but he is more of a man of the people than nay other nationwide TV talk show host.

RedFW
12th February 2003, 08:59
Yeah...Civilian cassualites were low....

Tkinter1, Do you mean civilian causualties in Afghanistan?



For the most part he's skeptical of the gov't, which is positive for Americans because he just doesn't take whats given to him, he analyzes it and breaks it down for the people.

I think his comments demonstrate quite the opposite. Unless he believed everything the government was telling him he wouldn't have shown such enthusiam for attacking Afghanistan and Iraq.

Tkinter1
12th February 2003, 18:07
"Tkinter1, Do you mean civilian causualties in Afghanistan? "

Yeah

canikickit
13th February 2003, 01:53
Bill O'Reilly is a terrible influence on all people. He is offensive in the extreme. I have never seen him being objective (granted, I have only watched his show a few times).

RedFW
13th February 2003, 11:30
Low in comparison to what, Tkinter1?

I think it had far too many.

Disgustipated
13th February 2003, 14:29
Bill O'Reilly is a racist, warmonger. I can't imagine where all that hatred comes from. I try to listen to him (you have to know your enemy), but god, the guy gets me so pissed off that i could kill him. It's appropriate that he's on FOX. Fox is the worst news outlet in america. If you didn't know better you would swear by watching it that it was coming right out of an office in the White House or Pentagon.

The really scary part is that the guy is on television but also broadcast on the radio. A lot of the right wing talk radio stations carry him and a host of other fascists. It's like 24 hour bombardment of right wing rhetoric. If it wasn't for this saturation campaign, Bush and co. would never been able to advance their policies as unencombered as they have. It's definitely a form of brainwashing of the masses.

All I can say, is when the revolution comes, O'Reilly, Severins, Laura Ingraham are gonna be the first to go.

Hegemonicretribution
16th February 2003, 13:59
I blame Murdoch just as much, his influence is so widestretching. Fox isn't viewed as the most serious news outlet, Murdoch does control some of the more respected ones.

Tkinter1
17th February 2003, 05:23
"All I can say, is when the revolution comes, O'Reilly, Severins, Laura Ingraham are gonna be the first to go."


WOW. What a moron. You're a joke.

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 5:24 am on Feb. 17, 2003)

OskarYeager
18th February 2003, 01:50
Bill O'Rieley sure has a damn big mouth. Are any of his kids going off to war? I highly, HIGHLY doubt it... Fox news is known to be a CON-servative news channel. O'Reiely really is going along with whatever the government's party line is. No Americans are in danger from Iraq, their missiles can't even go farther than about 95 miles! By extention of logic, it also really wouldn't behoove Saddam to support Islamic fundamentalism, seeing that when he first came to power he had to quell a fundamentalist movement within the country as a secular ruler. Who did he go to war with in the 80s again? The Ayatollah? Heh... It really seems like there is some OTHER motive for this war, but it's not like I have any secret pipeline to the truth.

One more thing that I find kind of funny is why we aren't going after North Korea, which has a FAR more brutal regime than Iraq, and with absolute certainty has killed more of its own civilians... Is it because the North Koreans can actually defend themselves, whereas Iraq can't?
In any case, Bil O'Reilly is just towing the party-line once again. He's in the pocket of Rupert Murdoch and that Je-, oops, Zionist director of Fox News, Peter Chernin...

I can say one thing with certainty, this war is definately not in the interests of the American people...

Pete
18th February 2003, 01:55
Question: Doesn't Ollie North host a radio show in the state? That bastard who sold drugs to American kids to fund the terrorist army who took down the Sandinista? Too bad trudeau couldnt offer more support to the poor bastards.