wich is the most communist?

[comrade stalin guevara]

please explain

[Chapter 24]

None of the above. There is no communism in any of these countries.
I would say that out of all of them that Cuba fits a socialist mold better than the rest of them, however.

[F9]

none of course!all capitalists!

Fuserg9:star:

[shorelinetrance]

None of the above.

Most of them are state capitalist, even cuba.

[Trystan]

Venezuela and Cuba. China and Vietnam have both pursued capitalist reforms. North Korea is an extremely hierarchical and bureaucratic dictatorship.

[Norseman]

Venezuela. I don't know much about communism in Vietnam and Belarus. North Korea and Cuba are both pretty much dictatorships. Cuba has pretty good welfare, but it's not controlled by the Cuban proletariat, so it's not communist, IMO. China is state capitalist. The first thing a communist nation should control in common is the country, and Venezuela wins by far in that regard. If Chavez would hand over all of the national control, and mass media control to democracy, Venezuela would probably be completely communist within a few years.

[comrade stalin guevara]

None of the above. There is no communism in any of these countries.
I would say that out of all of them that Cuba fits a socialist mold better than the rest of them, however.

Agreed maybe the quiz should of been socialist rather then communist?

[Hessian Peel]

They're all capitalist.

[Red_or_Dead]

None.

All of them are states. Therefore, they cannot be communist. They all have currencies, therefore they cannot be communist. They all have wage-labour, therefore they cannot be communist. Ect.



Agreed maybe the quiz should of been socialist rather then communist?

That would make much more sense. Id probably vote for Venezuela then.

[KrazyRabidSheep]

Socialist; Cuba.

Communist; none.

edit; if the poll read socialist, then Sweden, Saskatchewan, Iceland, and Norway should receive mention (even if only to criticize them.) These are social democracies, and although social democracies are kind of like the bastard love-children of capitalism and socialism, they are better then a free market system.

[Comrade Castro]

Don't go around saying Venezuela's socialist. I just got back from there. 100% pure, unadulterated capitalism.

[rocker935]

I don't think any of them can be considered socialist because none of them are truly controlled by the people.

[BIG BROTHER]

Cuba is the one closer to socialism, nevertheless none of them are communist for reasons already mentioned by other comrades.

[LiberaCHE]

Cuba is the most socialist.

North Korea is the most stalinist.

China is Lenin's worst nightmare. (Communist in name, but more Capitalist than almost any nation in the world.)

[Aurelia]

"the DPRK is not a democracy for one class only, one political party, one organisation or one religion; it is a democracy for the broad masses of people." - Kim il-sung

"We cannot speak of 'pure democracy' so long as different classes exist; we can only speak of class democracy".
(V.I. Lenin: "The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky", in: "Selected Works", Volume 7; London; 1946; p. 129).
"The bourgeoisie finds it advantageous and necessary to conceal the bourgeois character of modern democracy from the people and to depict it as democracy in general, or as 'pure democracy'...
The bourgeoisie is obliged to be hypocritical and to describe the (bourgeois) democratic government as 'popular government', or democracy in general or pure democracy, when as a matter of fact it is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the dictatorship of the exploiters over the mass of the toilers".
(V.I. Lenin: "Democracy' and Dictatorship", in: ibid.; p. 219, 220).

[SEKT]

How can be a communist country???

In communism there will be no countries at all!!!

[KurtFF8]

Don't go around saying Venezuela's socialist. I just got back from there. 100% pure, unadulterated capitalism.

100% Isn't Chavez in the process of nationalizing full industries right now?

I would put them more at (at least if the country continues this path) "transition to socialism from capitalism"

[comrade stalin guevara]

no votes for belarus,
yet they same party that goverend the ussr
still governs belarus?

[Chapter 24]

no votes for belarus,
yet they same party that goverend the ussr
still governs belarus?

The party =/= what it supposedly stands for.

[comrade stalin guevara]

true,
but like china its communist in name and some of the old heads from the ussr
must still be communist no?

[Comrade Rage]

I'd say Belarus is the closest to Marxism-Leninism at the moment.

[comrade stalin guevara]

i think people here dont know belarus is still under the cpsu,
or that its even a country?

[Chapter 24]

true,
but like china its communist in name and some of the old heads from the ussr
must still be communist no?

Well sure, it is still communist in name; but it obviously abandoned what the revolution stood for a long time ago.

[Zazaban]

None of those, but there's a few small places that may qualify. Freetown Christiania perhaps.

[Socialismo_Libertario]

none! I do like Chavez thought

[RedAnarchist]

none! I do like Chavez thought

Has he written his Little Red, Blue and Yellow Book yet?:D

[Captain Morgan]

no votes for belarus,
yet they same party that goverend the ussr
still governs belarus?

What the fudge?

Communist have only few seats in Belarusian parliaments while most seats are owned by non-partisans. More importantly; president - or should I say dictator - Lukashenko is not associated with any party. Belarus still is a some kind of bizarre world's largest museum of Soviet history and culture, but still - saying that the Belarus is run by CPSU is just silly: saying that it is run by leaders and prominent members of now-defunct Communist Party of Belarus would be more correct.

Btw, did you know that only legal party in Turkmenistan, Democratic Party, is successor of local branch of CPSU? If we are about to follow your logic: Turkmenbashi's dictatorship was socialist, no matter how much he liked to lick the arses of German bank lords and turn the Turkmenistani gas industry into his own, personal business. B-b-but, he's the same man who was in charge of local CPSU branch, he surely was a socialist...

[The Intransigent Faction]

Okay..who the hell voted for North Korea?!
Are you high?!

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

no votes for belarus,
yet they same party that goverend the ussr
still governs belarus?

Boris Yeltsin was chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR. Putin was a party and KGB member.

The Communist Parties in Chinese and Laos are still in power, and in fact played the leading roles in the capitalist counterrevolutions in their countries.

There are many similar cases..

Besides, the character of a state is not determined by the person/party that sits in the government. A "communist" elected to the Presidency of a capitalist state wouldn't make the country socialist.. it would just make him/her the head of a capitalist state.

[comrade stalin guevara]

Yes nhia,
this is very true what you are saying
me and an old comrade often discuss thsi and the thought of the ussr
'pretending' to be capitolist or maybe wishing it
any way i digg what you have said comrade.

[INDK]

I voted none because none of these countries have Communism active in there social structure, obviously.

[BobKKKindle$]

Cuba has pretty good welfare, but it's not controlled by the Cuban proletariat, so it's not communistCuba is not a dictatorship - all candidates for election to the national assembly are not selected by political party organizations (no party is actually permitted to nominate candidates and candidates are not linked to a specific party when they run for office) but by local grassroots organizations and individual voters, and once an individual is nominated as a candidate, they are not allowed to campaign, rather, voters are able to make an informed decision based on a biography of each candidate which is published in the local area where the election is taking place. Delegates who participate in the National Assembly or local political structures are subject to recall throughout the term of office so they can be replaced if the electorate feels they are taking advantage of the position for personal gain or are not fully representing the interests of the people who elected them to a position, and each delegate is also required to offer regular reports and can be contacted by people in her constituency. In addition to this system of participation and political transparency, the views of the people are also express through the Committees for the Defence of the Revolution, local organizations composed of around sixty households which are responsible for managing local issues such as the recycling and disposal of waste material, civil defense against the threat of imperialist aggression and espionage, and also discussing proposals for new laws offered by the central government.

The idea of a country being "most communist" is problematic, because communism is a system which can only exist when the current system of nation states has been eliminated and replaced with a federative structure consistent with the abolition of class antagonisms. However, the country most consistent with communist principles is Cuba, due to the extensive provision of welfare, the absence of private property and the relative lack of bureaucratic deformation.

[Comrade Frenky]

I agree that China is not a full comminst state. But to go so far and say not at all and that its Lenins worst nightmer.
The reason why people think China is so capitalist is becouse of Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan who are technicly part of China but have full autonomy and are not communist but fully kapitalist so that is why people get that impression of China.
And the reason its like that is becouse that the agreemen that they signed when they joined China which lasts 50 years, so until then they will remain capitalist.

My vote goes to China becouse they keep the memorie of Mao and communisam still alive and they inforce the idea of One China, a place where all live united as one, and the fact that without them and Russia the Earth would fall under the evil hands of western kapitalistc pigs.

The rest I exclude becouse they dont even consider them selves as communists only socialists and as for North Korea I think Kim Jong Ill is nuts (evan if he is a communist).

[Lost In Translation]

i think people here dont know belarus is still under the cpsu,
or that its even a country?
Errrrr...Just because there is a party under the name of 'communism' doesn't mean it's a communist society. The question isn't really that valid in the sense that there isn't a need for such an argument. Countries develop at their own pace, and if you just plucked two countries who are called 'communist', it's not a powerful comparison.

[tiger-argentina]

None, but Cuba is the most Socialist country.

[Red_or_Dead]

I agree that China is not a full comminst state. But to go so far and say not at all and that its Lenins worst nightmer.
The reason why people think China is so capitalist is becouse of Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan who are technicly part of China but have full autonomy and are not communist but fully kapitalist so that is why people get that impression of China.
And the reason its like that is becouse that the agreemen that they signed when they joined China which lasts 50 years, so until then they will remain capitalist.

My vote goes to China becouse they keep the memorie of Mao and communisam still alive and they inforce the idea of One China, a place where all live united as one, and the fact that without them and Russia the Earth would fall under the evil hands of western kapitalistc pigs.

The rest I exclude becouse they dont even consider them selves as communists only socialists and as for North Korea I think Kim Jong Ill is nuts (evan if he is a communist).


1. Not a full communist state - damn right, and it will never be. A state cannot be communist, as I have said countless times before.

2. Taiwan is a sovereign country, even though it is not reckognized by China.

3. China is a capitalist country. China supplies the entire world with consumer goods, and the mode of production is entirely capitalist.

4. And without the western capitalist pigs, we would be at the mercy of eastern capitalist pigs. Same shit in a different package.

[Edelweiss]

I'd say Belarus is the closest to Marxism-Leninism at the moment.

you fool.

http://bhtimes.blogspot.com/2008/07/belarus-adopts-privatisation-plan.html

Belarus adopts privatisation plan for 2008-2010

From: BelTA and the Office of the President
Alexander Lukashenko decorating the captain of the Olympic team of Belarus, Ivan Tikhon, with the Order of Fatherland, 2nd class
The Belarusian government has adopted a privatisation plan for 2008-2010. The decision is laid down by Council of Ministers resolution No 1021.

The privatisation plan is divided into two parts. The first one lists 519 national enterprises, both small and large ones, which are supposed to be incorporated as joint-stock companies within the next three years. The second part lists 147 open joint-stock companies, which shares will be sold in line with decree No 7.

The resolution comes into force on the official publication date.

Decree No 7 of April 14, 2008 gradually lifts restrictions from the circulation of shares of Belarusian open joint-stock companies, which were created through privatisation and denationalization. Earlier alienation of these shares was forbidden.

During the first phase (starting July 17, 2008) the restriction on alienating shares of joint-stock companies, in which authorised funds the government share is zero or equals 75% and more, is lifted. The ban on alienating shares of joint-stock companies, which specialise in processing agricultural products, and shares of cereal product companies is fully lifted.

During the second phase (starting January 1, 2009) restrictions on alienating shares of joint-stock companies with the state share over 50% will be lifted.

During the first and second phase restrictions will stay in place for shares of joint-stock companies, which ensure the operation of strategic industries of the national economy.

During the third phase (starting January 1, 2011) all restrictions will be lifted.

Shares of open joint-stock companies, which are created through denationalisation and privatisation, will be sold at tenders and auctions.

The decree is meant to improve legal instruments, which regulate the privatisation of state property, to protect rights and legal interests of citizens. The document provides for working out a three-year plan for privatising national property objects. In line with the decree a list of national unitary enterprises, which are supposed to be privatised into open joint-stock companies, as well as a list of open joint-stock companies, in which government-owned shares are supposed to be sold, is supposed to be prepared.

519 companies to be privatized in Belarus within 3 years

In 2008-2010, 519 enterprises are to be privatized in Belarus. The privatization plan was confirmed by Decree No 1021 of the Council of Ministers.

The Minsk Motor Works (MMZ trademark), Optoelectronic Systems, Minskagroprommash, Minsk Mechanical Plant named after Sergei Vavilov, Belgaztekhnika scientific-industriai enterprise, Gomeltextiletorg are to become privately owned in 2008.

In 2009, another group of enterprises are to be privatized. Among them are Gomel Plant of Agricultural Machinery, Gomselmash, Belarusian Automobile Plant, Minsk Plant of Wheeled Carriers, Vityaz, Agat-System, Inkotekh, Belgosproyekt institute, Electronica, Gomeltransneft Druzhba.

In 2010, Minsk Automated Lines Plant named after Piotr Masherov, Minsk Scientific and Research Institute of Radio Materials, Orsha Flax Scutching Mill and some others are to be privatized, too.

State will hold Belarusbank, Belagroprombank controlling stake in the future, Piotr Prokopovich says

The state will own the controlling stake of Belarusbank and Belagroprombank in the near future, BelTA learnt from Chairman of the Board of Directors of the National Bank of Belarus Piotr Prokopovich.

“As for the sales of the shares of the Belarusian banks to foreign investors, it is a permanent process. Commercial banks themselves determine the necessity to transfer their equity stake to investors. The country is working towards attracting strategic investors that are in the leading list in the world banking area. Therefore, we do not hurry and choose those investors that can considerably contribute to the development of the Belarusian banking system,” the Chairman of the National Bank said.

Paritetbank of Belarus is almost completing the process of attracting a foreign investor, Piotr Prokopovich added.

[OI OI OI]

you fool.

http://bhtimes.blogspot.com/2008/07/belarus-adopts-privatisation-plan.html


western propaganda against glorious socialist republic of belarus:rolleyes:

[Drace]

How come they all turned back to capitalism :-$???

I suppose they can't support themselves under socialist rule?
So the SU and China were probably the only ones who had the chance of going to communism. What the f happened...

[revolucionario]

You will never see a Nike sneaker made in Cuba, but they are made in China and Vietnam.

[Asoka89]

Because the market is a tool for eliminating scarity, and it has succeeded in doing that to an extent in China and India and Vietnam, no matter how uneven the development was.

"All that's solid melts into air..."

[Xian]

Cuba is the most socialist.

North Korea is the most stalinist.

China is Lenin's worst nightmare. (Communist in name, but more Capitalist than almost any nation in the world.)

:thumbup1:

[Xian]

I agree that China is not a full comminst state. But to go so far and say not at all and that its Lenins worst nightmer.
The reason why people think China is so capitalist is becouse of Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan who are technicly part of China but have full autonomy and are not communist but fully kapitalist so that is why people get that impression of China.
And the reason its like that is becouse that the agreemen that they signed when they joined China which lasts 50 years, so until then they will remain capitalist.

My vote goes to China becouse they keep the memorie of Mao and communisam still alive and they inforce the idea of One China, a place where all live united as one, and the fact that without them and Russia the Earth would fall under the evil hands of western kapitalistc pigs.

The rest I exclude becouse they dont even consider them selves as communists only socialists and as for North Korea I think Kim Jong Ill is nuts (evan if he is a communist).

Its funny, most kids in China don't even know Mao's philosophy, in fact they barely know anything about him except that he was the first leader.

now in cuba everyone knows who Che is and everyone knows Fidel and their philosophies because it is necessary to believe in what you must defend (and vice versa).

[PRC-UTE]

Cuba is the most socialist.

North Korea is the most stalinist.

China is Lenin's worst nightmare. (Communist in name, but more Capitalist than almost any nation in the world.)

Well said.

[Asoka89]

n korea isnt even like Stalinist, its worse, because productive forces and quality of life isnt even being boosted, so there is no justification for it.

also they dont even pretend to follow marx or lenin at all, just their ridicious juche thing and they say the army is the vanguard of the people

[Comrade_Scott]

i think people here dont know belarus is still under the cpsu,
or that its even a country?

hell yea its a country alex hleb comes from there and they still have the KGB

[Commiewithlove]

hell yea its a country alex hleb comes from there and they still have the KGB
Wrong its now named = FSB :D

[Commiewithlove]

And dont forget the word: Siloviki....

[Goose]

none of course!all capitalists!

Fuserg9:star:


I appreciate your anger, but would find it hard to explain how Cuba or north Korea are capitalist. Please enlighten me.

[Goose]

PS - that doesn't mean I support N Korea. But you did miss Laos and Angola out. And frankly if you're going to include Juche as Communist, you'd may as well put Scandinavian social democracy in too. It's about as close.

[Cheung Mo]

The more radical parties in the "Socialist" International are closer to communism than the Cult of Kim will ever be...And given how much kissy-face those bastards play with the haute-bourgeoisie, that says a lot.

[spice756]

China is capitalism and North Korea is run by a tyrant .Venezuela , Bolvia has a potential if they implement it.

Cuba is the only communist country ,and Vietnam I don't know.But some thig tells me they allowed private ownership.

The USSR was not really communist do to the state capitalism .

[Dros]

I appreciate your anger, but would find it hard to explain how Cuba or north Korea are capitalist. Please enlighten me.

They are state capitalist.

[Goose]

They are state capitalist.

Err... Sorry? Look, just because Paul Foot invented State Capitalism, you can't throw it at every non-perfect, non-capitalist state. Main thing being state capitalism would require the wealth of the state to be owned by the state. Neither of the examples have any discernible wealth.

I'd say Cuba has a cerebral wealth based on respect for the environment, for people, and for an attempted respect of the rights of man. North Korea has Kim. Take as you wish.

[spice756]

Err... Sorry? Look, just because Paul Foot invented State Capitalism, you can't throw it at every non-perfect, non-capitalist state. Main thing being state capitalism would require the wealth of the state to be owned by the state. Neither of the examples have any discernible wealth.


North Korea is not state capitalism , Kim Jong-il is nothing but a brutle dictator ,that just wants to stay in power and be treated like a god.People don't have food and live in shacks.Many don't have electricity ,food or water.

Only the high up get sent to school and get heathcare , her support Kim Jong-il .

Every where you look is pictures of Kim Jong-il .


There 9 types of ways that will kill communism.

1.state capitalism
2.businesses control the government
4.profit in command
5.running it in a capitalism way.
5.Just a tyrant like Kim Jong-il , her keeps all the money to him self
6.mixed communism
7.deform worker state
8.not intrested in communism.
9.privilege party members


The communist manifesto has not talk about any of this , to counter these problems.

Not to say US propaganda and socialism one country problem.

[Goose]

North Korea is not state capitalism , Kim Jong-il is nothing but a brutle dictator ,that just wants to stay in power and be treated like a god.People don't have food and live in shacks.Many don't have electricity ,food or water.

Only the high up get sent to school and get heathcare , her support Kim Jong-il .

Every where you look is pictures of Kim Jong-il .


There 9 types of ways that will kill communism.

1.state capitalism
2.businesses control the government
4.profit in command
5.running it in a capitalism way.
5.Just a tyrant like Kim Jong-il , her keeps all the money to him self
6.mixed communism
7.deform worker state
8.not intrested in communism.
9.privilege party members


The communist manifesto has not talk about any of this , to counter these problems.

Not to say US propaganda and socialism one country problem.

Right, so we're agreed Kim-Jong-Il is a prick then?

Not sure why you're laying those 9 very valid points on me, though I'd throw imperialist expansionism at the expense of the people rather than genuine expansion of the Revolution in there, but anyway...

[Michael2]

cuba - dictatorship.
vietnam - idk honestly
north korea - nazi state *at* best
china - capitalist dictatorship (isnt this a formula for a black hole? as a political scientist!)
other - uslu - united socialist linux union

ok I made up the last one. I love linux for the reason that it makes everyone have equal access to a *legal* operating system

[spice756]

Michael2 you joking here :confused:

[Sam_b]

north korea - nazi state *at* best

Its a Stalinist dictatorship, probably.

Please don't band the word 'nazi' around indiscriminately, it dilutes its meaning.

[( R )evolution]

please explain

None no country can less or more communist. Communism is system in which economic equality exist with a stateless structure. If these and other pivotal points are not achieve then it is not communist. Any country that has a state or a leader is not communist. Most of those are state capitalist with Cuba being the best out of all of them but that isn't even close to what a true communist society will look like.

[DancingLarry]

This reminds me of an old boxing promo:

Qui es mas commie?

[spice756]

Capitalism requires private ownership ,market and surplus labor value.If none exit it is not capitalism.

[VILemon]

By Leninist blueprint, Cuba represents a fairly well-oiled democratic dictatorship. Most of the deputies for the National Assembly are working-class people voted in by either direct public committees, trade-unions (which are largely independent in Cuba), or other representative organizations. The deputies and delegates don't even need to be party members. All this while providing great education, health, and participatory associations to Cuban citizens.
Not perfect, not great maybe, but the Cuban worker is represented and allowed to "oppress" their would-be oppressors. I am open to argument, though.

[VILemon]

Capitalism requires private ownership ,market and surplus labor value.If none exit it is not capitalism.

However, the absence of capitalism (or even market mechanisms) is not praise-worthy in itself. Socialism is not merely the abolition of capitalism.

[VILemon]

Capitalism requires private ownership ,market and surplus labor value.If none exit it is not capitalism.

However, the absence of capitalism (or even market mechanisms) is not praise-worthy in itself. Socialism is not merely the abolition of capitalism.

If Juche or monarchy are the alternative, I'll take capitalism.