More leftist terrorism in Colombia - For all of you ignorant

[concerned]

More examples of how the left is destroying Latinamerica:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77974,00.html

[RedRevolutionary87]

whats wrong with blowing up night clubs? especially if its a highclass night club, how is a leftist group supposed to fight? get elected? i dont think so, they arent hurting the people they are fighting for.

[thursday night]

It is a shame innocents had to die, and I do not supports total innocents being killed for no reason. However, my (timid) support for the FARC remains in place.

[concerned]

Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 4:15 pm on Feb. 9, 2003
whats wrong with blowing up night clubs? especially if its a highclass night club, how is a leftist group supposed to fight? get elected? i dont think so, they arent hurting the people they are fighting for.


What is wrong with blowing up nightclubs?????
The better question is, what the hell is wrong with you???
Are you saying you see nothing wrong with terrorist acts, killing and injuring countless of random people??
Is it ok to kill someone just for the sole fact that they happen to have money? Among the dead there were 6 children btw.

>How is a leftist group supposed to fight? get elected?

Yes, why the hell not?. A leftist group is not supposed to fight, that brings absolutely no good. The poor have not been benefited absolutely anything by FARC's actions, much on the contrary. People who really care about the poor, and really want to make a positive difference, are doing so in many other ways, not through terrorism.
If they have much support in the people as they seem to think they do, why not get elected???
FACT: Guerrillas in Colombia have only the support of less than 1% of colombians. Everybody with a little bit of brains to understand the conflict knows that this has little to do with politics and much more to do with power and the control of the drug business.

RR87, you are just too stupid for words.

[RedRevolutionary87]

am i really now....
firstly what the fuck are six children doing at a nightclub

secondly a getting elected will never halp any leftist groups since they will easily be removed from power by western powers, that is to say they even make it that far.

you are not inocent if you are of the uppoer class sinc eyou most likely got that way by stealing the unpaid labour of the proleteriat and because of that the proleteriat has every right to kill you. and please refrain from making petty insults at me, it anoying, you dont even know me so please go die

[concerned]

Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 6:30 pm on Feb. 9, 2003
am i really now....
firstly what the fuck are six children doing at a nightclub

secondly a getting elected will never halp any leftist groups since they will easily be removed from power by western powers, that is to say they even make it that far.

you are not inocent if you are of the uppoer class sinc eyou most likely got that way by stealing the unpaid labour of the proleteriat and because of that the proleteriat has every right to kill you. and please refrain from making petty insults at me, it anoying, you dont even know me so please go die

First of all, you need to get informed. It was not a nightclub, it was a social club, there were games and stuff for children there.

Second, if you watched past elections in Colombia, the overwhelming majority voted for a hardline government against the guerrillas, because colombian people, including the poor, are sick of them.

And if you knew a little history, you would know that actually most of the terrorists attacks done by the guerrillas have affected the poor, this is actually the first one they have done against the rich.

You are just a typical resentful leftist that thinks that anybody who has money must be corrupt. For your information there are a lot of hardworking individuals in Colombia who have made their money honestly. Your argument is as random and stupid as if I was to say something like all poor people are just lazy.

Sorry to call you stupid, but that is the only thing that comes to mind when I read so much BS coming from you.

[Archie Victus]

Columbia is a bad place.

[antieverything]

Don't act like these are rebels trying to overthrow the great Colombian democracy in order to institute a Marxist dictatorship. OK?

Unless I'm mistaken, the last time an independant political party tried to function in Colombia, everyone got killed.



(Edited by antieverything at 7:51 pm on Feb. 9, 2003)

[concerned]

Quote: from Archie Victus on 7:09 pm on Feb. 9, 2003
Columbia is a bad place.


Just another great example of stupid and ignorant comments litering this board. And learn to spell dude, it's Colombia.

[concerned]

Quote: from antieverything on 7:13 pm on Feb. 9, 2003
Don't act like these are rebels trying to overthrow the great Columbian democracy in order to institute a Marxist dictatorship. OK?

Unless I'm mistaken, the last time an independant political party tried to function in Columbia, everyone got killed.


you are in fact mistaken. learn your history, then maybe we could have a debate.

[Archie Victus]

Quote: from concerned on 11:20 am on Feb. 9, 2003

Quote: from Archie Victus on 7:09 pm on Feb. 9, 2003
Columbia is a bad place.


Just another great example of stupid and ignorant comments litering this board. And learn to spell dude, it's Colombia.


*littering

[antieverything]

Since 1986 more Colombians have been killed at the hands of the military and their "paramilitary" allies each year than throughout the entire 17 years of political repression in Chile under the Pinochet dictatorship. Often the people who control the paramilitary groups (and the nation's politics) are the actual drug lords.

However conservative its estimates, the U.S. State Department report on human rights offers an insightful glance at the violence in Colombia on several scores. It records the repression of the legal political party, Union Patriotica (UP), an offshoot of the Communist Party, and the guerrilla group known as the FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia). The UP party was formed in 1985, after government/guerrilla peace negotiations, when then president Belisario Betancur offered an amnesty to guerrillas who agreed to put down their weapons. The UP party soon swept elections on many levels of office, threatening the two-party oligarchy that have traditionally shared power. However, the momentum of the party was virtually demolished by the systematic murder of its leaders and members including presidential candidates and mayors. On this count, the U.S. State Department Human Rights Report tallies over 3,500 UP party members assassinated.

There are 60 recognized by the state but none have any real power in government.

[andresG]

Quote: from antieverything on 8:14 pm on Feb. 9, 2003
Since 1986 more Colombians have been killed at the hands of the military and their "paramilitary" allies each year than throughout the entire 17 years of political repression in Chile under the Pinochet dictatorship. Often the people who control the paramilitary groups (and the nation's politics) are the actual drug lords.

However conservative its estimates, the U.S. State Department report on human rights offers an insightful glance at the violence in Colombia on several scores. It records the repression of the legal political party, Union Patriotica (UP), an offshoot of the Communist Party, and the guerrilla group known as the FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia). The UP party was formed in 1985, after government/guerrilla peace negotiations, when then president Belisario Betancur offered an amnesty to guerrillas who agreed to put down their weapons. The UP party soon swept elections on many levels of office, threatening the two-party oligarchy that have traditionally shared power. However, the momentum of the party was virtually demolished by the systematic murder of its leaders and members including presidential candidates and mayors. On this count, the U.S. State Department Human Rights Report tallies over 3,500 UP party members assassinated.

There are 60 recognized by the state but none have any real power in government.

antieverything, thank you for giving an incredibly clear explanation on why the FARC are still operating. People have lost hope in the two traditional parties (Liberal y Conservador), and since third parties are not respected, they see violence as the only way to be heard.

But don't get me wrong, I do not support the FARC at all (Except for when they attack the pipelines at Caño Limon). They have no social program, which makes me ask -what are they fighting for ?-

The only I solution I see to the armed conflict in Colombia is an extensive land reform. This would stop peasants from joining the FARC or the paramilitaries. The reason peasants join is because : they are either forced or are given food in return for fighting. A land reform would stop the violent groups from taking advantage of the poor.

(Edited by andresG at 9:53 pm on Feb. 9, 2003)

[antieverything]

The reason peasants join is because : they are either forced or are given food in return for fighting.Land reform would be nice but first they need to stop the indiscriminate fumigation of crops (illegal and legal).

[andresG]

Quote: from antieverything on 10:00 pm on Feb. 9, 2003

The reason peasants join is because : they are either forced or are given food in return for fighting.Land reform would be nice but first they need to stop the indiscriminate fumigation of crops (illegal and legal).

That is very true. But even when the government fumigates the illegal crops, they do not provide the peasants with a new crop to plant. So they are basically left with nothing to sell.

This is the same thing that has been happening in Bolivia. Recently the indigenous population retaliated and blocked the roads, protesting the fumigations.

[RedComrade]

Yes i see concerned has nothing to say now that he has been exposed. As antieverything said in 1985 the FARC did attempt to come to power democratically. As they swept the polls with vast popular support the burgeois elements that were previously in power did everything in there power to shut them down through violence and did this very well. Over 1,000 Patriotic Union leaders were killed in state sponsored terrorism. The long list of grievances the U.S (which i assume you are fairly fond of) listed in the declaration of independence when it revolted are a joke to the attrocities commited against the leftist popular forces in Colombia. I see trying to debate with you though is obviously a joke if you are so foolish as to site ann coulter on your signature and trust Fox news for honest opinions about a continent that has had nearly all of its attempts at leftist popular democracy crushed by cia funded right wing death squads. But wait shall you refute this? Please do Im sure myself and many other educated leftists on this site will be more than happy to tear your ignorant backward position back to the stone age were it belongs.

[thursday night]

I think we can ask Mr. Allende and Mr. Arbenz about being an elected leftist leader of a nation, ignorant upper-class Colombian.

[concerned]

Quote: from RedComrade on 4:55 am on Feb. 10, 2003
Yes i see concerned has nothing to say now that he has been exposed. As antieverything said in 1985 the FARC did attempt to come to power democratically. As they swept the polls with vast popular support the burgeois elements that were previously in power did everything in there power to shut them down through violence and did this very well. Over 1,000 Patriotic Union leaders were killed in state sponsored terrorism. The long list of grievances the U.S (which i assume you are fairly fond of) listed in the declaration of independence when it revolted are a joke to the attrocities commited against the leftist popular forces in Colombia. I see trying to debate with you though is obviously a joke if you are so foolish as to site ann coulter on your signature and trust Fox news for honest opinions about a continent that has had nearly all of its attempts at leftist popular democracy crushed by cia funded right wing death squads. But wait shall you refute this? Please do Im sure myself and many other educated leftists on this site will be more than happy to tear your ignorant backward position back to the stone age were it belongs.

Hey dude, forgive me for having a life. If I don't answer soon enough for you doesn't mean that I have nothing to say, it means I also have other things to do other than trying to reason with ignorant leftists that terrorism does no good.

UP was a democratic attempt by the guerrillas, but the guerrillas were still fighting, they never did stop, and that was their mistake. They kept the killings and the massacres while at the same time using all the money from their illegal activities to fund their democratic front. That is why they encountered so much resistance in the people and were exterminated. Either they give up arms and embrace the democratic system fully, or they don't, but they cannot pretend to have the best of both worlds just because Belisario Betancour was too naive to believe in them. And the CIA had nothing to do with their extermination, so don't just blurt out things that you have no idea about.
And UP had NEVER vast popular support, you are delusional, that comment is laughable at best.

It is completely untrue also that independent candidates cannot reach power. As a matter of fact Alvaro Uribe himself went as an independent, and the liberal and conservative parties had no option but to support him after they saw that he was going to win by such an overwhelming majority.

Noemi Sanin, also an independent, had a really high turnout on the 1998 presidential elections.

So you think trying to debate with me is a joke, huh?. I think the biggest joke are all of you guys who seem to be missing the point here and that is that there is absolutely no reason for the terrorism the guerrillas are making colombians go through. Absolutely none.

The only one I respect of you so far is andresG, because although I might disagree with him politically, at least he is smart enough to see that the guerrillas have no social program and are really not fighting for anyone but themselves. I challenge any of you to tell me how the poor are getting benefited from the guerrillas' terrorism.

And btw RC, Foxnews is only one of my many sources, I actually got my information first from all the colombian news papers. And the article is mainly relating the events that happened, are you saying this is not true? or what the hell are you saying? There are actually no opinions here, they are just telling the events as happened, so stop criticizing things just for the sake of it. If you have evidence that anything of what fox said is not true, I would love to hear about it.

[antieverything]

I guess that I should have been more clear: I don't support either side in the conflict, I support the farmers against the huge landowners and drug-lords. You could say that I am closer to the FARC than the paramilitaries but I would rather see democratic reforms in Colombia than anything.

Everything that I've seen has said that the Guerillas declared a cease-fire before trying legit electoral politics...it is pretty sad to see you rationalize over 2,000 murders like that. Sure the FARC gets money from drugs but so do the other politicians...directly or indirectly.

There are a small number of independants in Colombia but no viable alternative to the Libs and Cons.

[antieverything]

the CIA had nothing to do with their extermination, so don't just blurt out things that you have no idea about.I seriously doubt that the US government had no involvement or knowledge of what was goin on with the UP massacres!

[The Sniper]

Look im not gonna support FARC coz i really dont know enough about the conflict and most of the information is distorted by western media. But all that crap about elections and less than 1% of the public supporting them. A revolutionary group cannot survive without public support, and certianly not last as long as FARC have, they wouldnt be able to draw recuits and they would be betrayed at every availible oppertunity. With no public support the revolution would stutter and die, so there oviously must be some kinda support for them. As for "free elections" as has been showed in the past elections can be rigged and populations can be bullied, Are u really going to tell me that the recent elections in Zimbabwe were fair and just! Even in the US the so called "land of the free" the elections are 100% certian Forida *cough cough*. Also remember all this evidence is coming from the government in Colombia who will use every availible oppertunity to distort the facts. I mean they talk about resorting to "drug lord" tactics this is a government that supports the drug trade wholeheartedly. Just think before u speak will ya.

[antieverything]

The Colombian political system is incredibly corrupt and the elections are no exception.

[antieverything]

And it is interesting that Mr. Concerned would point out Uribe's "wide popular support". I wonder if he knows that the AUC threatened to massacre entire villages if they didn't vote for him...he didn't ride to power on a wave of popular support. Instead, he was put there by one of the most evil organizations in Colombia...if not the most evil...certainly much worse than the FARC.

[antieverything]

Oh yeah, and 54% of Colombia's registered voters didn't even vote...of those that did, only 1/4 voted for Uribe.

[Rastafari]

Does anyone seem to remember Contra (no, not the videogame) or the Bay of Pigs. Howabout those camps that the US is sponsoring right now? The US has a marked history of caring what happens below texas, and a lot of sketchy stuff has been done to keep it interested in the states.

[concerned]

Uh, so much accumulated BS to respond to, and so little time, I'll do my best...

[concerned]

Quote: from antieverything on 11:05 pm on Feb. 10, 2003
Oh yeah, and 54% of Colombia's registered voters didn't even vote...of those that did, only 1/4 voted for Uribe.


False, it was one of the highest turnouts in Colombia's history. Also Uribe won with more than 50% of the total voting. Get some real facts from some legit sources and don't just go believing all the BS Farc prints at its website.


(Edited by concerned at 4:58 am on Feb. 12, 2003)

[concerned]

Quote: from antieverything on 11:02 pm on Feb. 10, 2003
And it is interesting that Mr. Concerned would point out Uribe's "wide popular support". I wonder if he knows that the AUC threatened to massacre entire villages if they didn't vote for him...he didn't ride to power on a wave of popular support. Instead, he was put there by one of the most evil organizations in Colombia...if not the most evil...certainly much worse than the FARC.


Totally and completely not true. The AUC never did that. FARC on the other hand did threatened the population to not vote for Uribe or else, and there is plenty of evidence for that. Despite this, Uribe won by an OVERWHELMING majority.

AUC controls very few regions in Colombia. Even if they wanted to do this, they would only have been able to do it in the very few regions under their control. The guerrillas are more than three times as big as the AUC, and control a lot more regions. So please tell me how AUC managed to threaten a whole country they don't really control.

Stop reading so much leftist propaganda on the web and get a hold on some hard facts for once.

[concerned]

Quote: from antieverything on 10:03 pm on Feb. 10, 2003
The Colombian political system is incredibly corrupt and the elections are no exception.


The elections were clean and supervised by the international community. Even the polls before the elections, from many different independent polling companies, showed that Uribe was going to win big time. And if you happened to be in Colombia the day of elections, you would see that at least in all the major cities 70-80% was cheering for Alvaro Uribe. People were cheering all over the streets. Don't try to say now that the results of the elections were corrupt, because they totally weren't.

[concerned]

Quote: from antieverything on 6:36 pm on Feb. 10, 2003

the CIA had nothing to do with their extermination, so don't just blurt out things that you have no idea about.I seriously doubt that the US government had no involvement or knowledge of what was goin on with the UP massacres!


Knowledge, probably, everybody did. The US has good intelligence agencies. However saying they had involvement is quite an accusation, and if you are going to blurt that out I hope you have some kind of proof.

At the same time the UP massacres were going on, the guerrillas were massacring other civilians and polititians too. It's a war dude. The guerrillas cannot expect to attack a country and not have any retaliation.

[Ze]

LOL

I like concerned's method of 'debating'. He'll quote you and say, "Nope, thats not true." without ANY link to some facts from ANY of his MANY news sources.

Propaganda is used in order for those in power to sway the public towards their bidding. Last time I checked, the American backed right wing are the ones in power...


The US has good intelligence agencies. The problem lies when those intelligence agencies take the next step and no longer are intelligence agencies but are now paramilitary units who don't answer to the Pentagon (who are more qualified for missions of that sort) unless the CIA really feels they need to in order to cover their own ass. The latest issue of Time magazine has a nice front cover article about most of the debacles that our favorite 'good intelligence agency' has gotten itself into and henceforth many countries including the americans have had to pay for dearly.

The CIA needs to be abolished or at least given strict regulations into not partaking in paramilitary activities apart from the armed forces. You, my friend are the one who's misinformed. Forgive me if I was a bit vague as the vast amount of facts that you seem to either conveniently forget much like your beloved american conservative counterparts do or because you simply are unaware of what has really gone on would require me to stay here posting information that would keep me from other pertinent issues at hand. Fox news isn't. Got it?

The Farc using terrorist tactics is not something Che would have supported and neither would Marx from reading their works and actions.

I have to also add, to learn more about the cia's (criminals in action) nefarious infamy, do a quick google search on us foreign policy, pinochet, the death of pablo escobar, blowback, osama bin laden, saddam hussein, the bay of pigs, lumumba, propaganda and check out the guerrilla news network website for some flashy fox news style (without the mandatory conservative opinions) or mtv style videos, summaries, and reports enlightening the fact that the US is NOT the world's biggest exporter of peace and democracy to the world, but the world's largest exporter of war and tyranny.

Conservative selective memories, spin-doctoring, jingoism, ethnocentrism, militarism, ignorance, capitalist arrogance, intolerance, and short-sightedness WILL be the downfall of America's plutocracy and maybe mankind.






(Edited by Ze at 3:55 pm on Feb. 12, 2003)

[antieverything]

While we do not wish to diminish the seriousness of guerrilla abuses or downplay the headlinegrabbing brutality of the drug cartels, we find that the official characterizations of Colombia's human rights problem are a gross distortion. They serve to obscure the armed forces' preeminent responsibility for Colombia's human rights nightmare and serve to mask the widespread failure to prosecute and punish those responsible for abuses against civilians.
-Human Rights Watch


Totally and completely not true. The AUC never did that. FARC on the other hand did threatened the population to not vote for Uribe or else, and there is plenty of evidence for that. Despite this, Uribe won by an OVERWHELMING majority. If you want me to take you seriously, you should stop making uninformed opinions like these. How's this for a piece of leftist propagandah? According to the BBC, paramilitary groups were threatening people in controlled areas to vote for Uribe and not vote for his nearest (liberal party) competitor. Wait, there's more...
In March there were congressional elections for the Senate and House of Representatives. There is a threat of these being annulled after evidence of massive fraud.

At least five congressmen-elect are under investigation for falsifying ballots, and the paramilitaries boasted that 35% of those elected were linked to their organisation, prompting fears that the Colombia's bloody right-wing can gain a veto over future political traffic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2007780.stm

The article, however, goes pretty easy on the AUC. There are wide-spread reports, substantiated by the Organization of American States of threats upon the lives of non-Uribe voters.

On my election numbers, yeah, those were wrong. Sorry. Only 1/4 of the registered electorate voted for him, not those that actually voted. He got like 53%.




(Edited by antieverything at 6:38 pm on Feb. 12, 2003)

[concerned]

Quote: from antieverything on 2:19 pm on Feb. 12, 2003
While we do not wish to diminish the seriousness of guerrilla abuses or downplay the headlinegrabbing brutality of the drug cartels, we find that the official characterizations of Colombia's human rights problem are a gross distortion. They serve to obscure the armed forces' preeminent responsibility for Colombia's human rights nightmare and serve to mask the widespread failure to prosecute and punish those responsible for abuses against civilians.
-Human Rights Watch


Human rights watch has been accused several times of exactly that, overly diminishing and downplaying the actions of the guerrillas. HRW is an organization that really do not care that much about terrorirsts, because they know terrorists won't even listen to them, so why bother. So what they do is mainly criticize governments, so at least they feel like they have a voice.
Colombia has repeatedly challenged HRW reports for missrepresenting the truth.

[concerned]

Quote: from antieverything on 2:19 pm on Feb. 12, 2003
If you want me to take you seriously, you should stop making uninformed opinions like these. How's this for a piece of leftist propagandah? According to the BBC, paramilitary groups were threatening people in controlled areas to vote for Uribe and not vote for his nearest (liberal party) competitor. Wait, there's more...
In March there were congressional elections for the Senate and House of Representatives. There is a threat of these being annulled after evidence of massive fraud.

At least five congressmen-elect are under investigation for falsifying ballots, and the paramilitaries boasted that 35% of those elected were linked to their organisation, prompting fears that the Colombia's bloody right-wing can gain a veto over future political traffic.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2007780.stm

The article, however, goes pretty easy on the AUC. There are wide-spread reports, substantiated by the Organization of American States of threats upon the lives of non-Uribe voters.

On my election numbers, yeah, those were wrong. Sorry. Only 1/4 of the registered electorate voted for him, not those that actually voted. He got like 53%.


It is not an opinion. Uribe did won by an overwhelming majority, this is a fact, and everyone can attest to that. Even in big cities like Bogota, Medellin and Cali where neither the guerrillas nor the paramilitaries can have any real influence, he won big time. The areas the AUC control doesn't even have enough population to sway any presidential elections in any way, even if in fact as you seem to assume everybody in those regions was coerced to vote for one candidate or the other.

If you look at the elections results which were published by regions in El Tiempo, the results for Uribe in those regions controlled by the AUC were not any higher than anywhere else. The places where Uribe got the most overwhelming majority were actually in big cities and among those voting abroad. Among those colombians voting in consulates abroad Uribe got close to 80% of these votes.

I would take a look at the BBC link you provided, if it actually worked and took you somewhere. But the page is nonexistent.

Anyway, the paramilitaries did recognize that they tried to influence people in the parlamentary elections. They said it openly. Not in the presidential elections though.

The guerrillas on the other hand came to the public networks and declared anyone who voted for Uribe as a "military target". This is a fact, not speculation. Everybody saw it. I don't know where to reference you because I saw this all over the colombian news then, I really don't have the time to search for it right now. But it is true, and it is a fact that not even the guerrillas can deny now, because it was made public and official.

Not only that but the guerrillas tried to kill Alvaro Uribe in many occassions. They even use a bus bomb in one of their attempts, that only achieved killing many innocent civilians.

[concerned]

anitieverything,
I just managed to get into your article, the real address is:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2007780.stm

Anyway, the article only seems to support everything I've been saying. I am going to pick apart some portions of it, that you may have misread or ignored: (note, this is the article YOU submitted, so don't come telling me now that the source is not reliable or anything like that)


>> "With his talk of getting tough with the country's Marxist guerrillas he has earned their wrath and several rebel attempts on his life.
These have failed so the guerrillas are pressuring people in the 40% of the country they dominate, not to vote for him. Uribe campaign headquarters in rebel territory have been blown up and local politicians friendly with the hard-liner threatened."


>> "Whilst one candidate, Ingrid Betancourt, was kidnapped by guerrillas in February..."


>>"Congressman Jorge Santamaría opened an Uribe office in the town of Puerto Asis, in the southern province of Putumayo, a stronghold of the Marxist Farc (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) and the main drug-growing region of the country.
Six days later a note was pushed under his door. It read: "Following instructions from the Farc Military Command of the General Staff, you, your family, your property and your political seat have been designated an immediate military objective." "

>> "Whilst the vote is secret the results are published by community and the guerrillas have threatened to attack communities that return a vote for Uribe."


If you read your own article correctly, you will see that if anyone tried to mess up with the electoral process, that was the guerrillas. Kidnapping candidates, threatening supporters of Uribe, attempting on the candidate's life multiple times, issuing warning in their areas of control (40%)....

So, I ask myself once again, where is your point?

[antieverything]

I read the article, I said that it went to easy on the military but it did say that they threatened and harrased other candidate's supporters. It also said that elections in Colombia are usually packed with fraud. Candidates from all over the country are owned by the paramilitary groups, not just those from the AUC controlled areas. They actually claim that they own 35% of the government!

I don't support the FARC, got it?

You didn't answer the substantiated reports that the AUC threatened to massacre whole villages.

On the election results, I took those back if you care to read...I appologize, I posted about Uribe being illegitamate hastily, I was too eager. Sorry.

I don't care what the Colombian government says about claims that it violates human rights. The Iraqi government says the same thing!