Pro Life

[feminist dyke whore]

Just an odd thought - should pro-lifer's support animal rights and welfare as they believe in the rights of a fetus.


Discuss.

[Faction2008]

Just an odd thought - should pro-lifer's support animal rights and welfare as they believe in the rights of a fetus.


Discuss.
Hmm. Well depends if they regard human life more superior to animal life.

[feminist dyke whore]

Yeah I suppose, but in my experience pro-lifers are all out for protecting "life", isn't it a bit inconsistent to support the rights of embryonic cells and not an orangutans? Also as a side note what is the general pro-lifers stance on cloning for medical purposes?

[Holden Caulfield]

no i dont think they would hold that view, God made humans better than animals,

[feminist dyke whore]

Got me there. :rolleyes:

[There is No God!]

Just an odd thought - should pro-lifer's support animal rights and welfare as they believe in the rights of a fetus.


Discuss.

They shouldn't be pro-life in the first place.

[Faction2008]

Yeah I suppose, but in my experience pro-lifers are all out for protecting "life", isn't it a bit inconsistent to support the rights of embryonic cells and not an orangutans? Also as a side note what is the general pro-lifers stance on cloning for medical purposes?
I can see where they are coming from. Many of them are parents already so to just kill a cell to them is to them a potential child. However I believe science is here to serve humanity and so I support some forms of embryo research. As for orangutans as long as these animals aren't being butchered Srebrenica style and we aren't actually causing them to be extinct then we should use them if it will help cure diseases in humans. Well you have to understand as well people who are pro-life usually share a common predicate which is that they are theists and devoted to some deity. So therefore the rules for them aren't really flexible. For example if the Bible says: 'thou shall not murder' they will therefore not take into consideration any factors and just go along with the sentence. Also thinking about it since theists also believe they are in charge of the Earth (i.e. over the plants and animals) so they should therefore be against animal testing.

[Raoul_RedRat]

I think the conservative pro-life position consist of the assumption that human life must at all times be protected, thus embryos may never be aborted. Only it remains unclear what constitutes 'human life' and whether this is a biological distinction they make or a moral distinction. It seems that most pro-lifers are inclined to say that when a multicellular being has the potential to become like us (an adult human being) than it is human life.

Although it sound pretty shallow, it gives great fun to encounter such pro-lifers. Because you can scare them with the rebuttal that in this understanding cancer may not be aborted, since there is no proper reason to assume that a zygote has any more potential to become an adult human being than a clump of cancerous cells. But this is more on a side note.

Btw, if you really want to delve into this material there is an excellent book by Kuhse and Singer; "Bioethics an Anthology". It even has some pro-life articles that really aren't that easy to rebut.

[Pogue]

To avoid hypocrisy they should also support animal rights.

[Faction2008]

To avoid hypocrisy they should also support animal rights.
I sort of see what angle you're coming from but please elaborate more.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Pro-lifers are usually motivated by their religion to oppose abortions, which tends to ascribe a sanctity to "human life". I'm not sure that existence as an organism is the point - for them it's all about the soul, and other non-material factors. Which is partly why it's difficult to debate with them - they don't care much about the reality of things, like the woman being raped or whatever, their head is far too busy in the clouds.

-Alex

[jake williams]

Pro-lifers aren't motivated by their "religion" - nowhere in the Bible is Jesus just chillin' when he pops out "*****es keep your fetuses! You didn't want to have a kid and you should've kept your legs shut! And certainly not after the first trimester!". For that matter even a hypothetical Jesus would have had no idea what a trimester was. He probably barely knew what pregnancy was.

"Pro-lifers" are motivated either by hating women, or by having people influential in their political community tell them that this is somehow the most important big deal ever and Jesus said so. It's not actually because of the religion - it's about political community. And it doesn't even mean pro-human-life, it's pro-fetus-life.

[RHIZOMES]

Should pro-lifers be against the death penalty and imperialist war if they're so "pro-life"?

Funny how "pro-lifers" are usually strong supporters of those things, which kill people who have actually been BORN and in vastly greater numbers. It's almost like, pro-lifers only want women to be baby factories!

[Dr Mindbender]

Should pro-lifers be against the death penalty and imperialist war if they're so "pro-life"?

Funny how "pro-lifers" are usually strong supporters of those things, which kill people who have actually been BORN and in vastly greater numbers. It's almost like, pro-lifers only want women to be baby factories!

as the late great george carlin said, ''they're NOT pro-life, they're ANTI-WOMEN''.

[Jazzratt]

What I love about this is that it could also work both ways - surely veggies should be pro-life (or at least in favour of limiting abortions as soon as a foetus is able to "feel".).

[BurnTheOliveTree]

What I love about this is that it could also work both ways - surely veggies should be pro-life (or at least in favour of limiting abortions as soon as a foetus is able to "feel".).


Nope. Woman can feel too, and her needs override a feeling foetus. We don't need to kill animals to eat, and we can be just as comfortable without doing so - keeping an unwanted foetus has much more drastic consequences.

-Alex

[mikelepore]

Should pro-lifers be against the death penalty and imperialist war

Perhaps we should start a foundation that uses the generalities "uphold the sanctity of life", "every human life is sacred" -- and religious poeple will contribute money to it, assuming that it has something to do with abortion -- then we use all of that money to organize against war and the death penalty.

[CuteCommie]

Just an odd thought - should pro-lifer's support animal rights and welfare as they believe in the rights of a fetus.


Discuss.

Pro-lifers should logically support forced organ removals from people to ensure the continued existence of others.

They don't.

Why?

Because they are more concerned with preserving patriarchal institutions than the actual life of cute unborn babies.

[chimx]

I had been pro-life for years due to my veganism, not the other way around. I wouldn't eat honey out of concern for bees, and since a fetus can "suffer" more than a bee I opposed abortion for consistency sake. I think it's actually a pretty common position.