Norm Banned?

[RedComrade]

Norm was banned ? That is a pathetic and digusting abuse of your power mods! Debating with the Capitalists and specifically Norm is one of the only reasons i visit this site and I think many others feel the same. I can understand this is a private site for Che fans and the like but this section was made for debate and if you ask me is by far the best part of the site. What reasons did you have for banning Norm. Is anyone else as disgusted with this banning shit as I am? I cast my vote in favor of a repeal of this disgusting and unjustified attack on one of the most well known outspoken members of your site. Fuck the bannings!

[RedComrade]

I cant help but notice that since you have banned Norm the debate here has died the opposing ideology page has gone from being an interesting engaging section of high paced debate with a few humorous flames here and there to a boring piece of shit. Norm should be let back in if anything out of self interest to keep people interested and to keep them coming back to this site. Malte if your reading this i think you know who banned norm and should deal with them and then you should let Norm back in if anything to keep the quality of your site up. What good is it if the only people allowed on here are leftists and libertarian anti authoritarian ones at that. That is just preaching to the choir and it is incredibly boring at that. In an environment were only the majority has a voice fascism and boredom will take hold and swallow up all that is worth while in life. I will say it again no matter how adolescent or jockish it sounds Fuck the bannings and the censorship and the iron fist rule of the majority.

[BOZG]

Actually comrade, you'll find that most people would rather see S vs C/Opposing Ideologies scrapped because they really can't be bothered justifying themselves to ignorant fools who will not listen. I couldn't really care if some capitalist fool is banned or not.

[RedComrade]

Thats a little to defeatist for me but thats your take cool... But i think if we want to be taken seriously, if we want to recruit new comrades who are undecided, and if we want to be able to compete logically and reasonably in the clash of ideologies we cannot ignore the enemy but confront him no matter how little it seems like we accomplish...

[Guardia Bolivariano]

I really hated Norm and I don't think banning him is disgusting , pathetic or exelent.But I don't see the reason why they did It.Sometimes we exchanged insults and stuff but he never went out of line and most important he used his own mind to debate.Not like that wuss freevenz that wasted his time posting right wing propaganda on the site and started to act like he owned the site like in a matter of 3 weeks.Even If some of us don't like Norm there is no logical reason why he was banned I think he always has been the same so why get him now?Besides other people deserve It more ,like those who brake the rules and post their shit outside this section of the community.

(Edited by Guardia Bolivariano at 7:00 pm on Feb. 8, 2003)

[RedComrade]

In the future let this thread be a vote those who are for this banning and those who are against this banning (note i am not against all bannings but i really think your shooting yourself in the foot when you ban norm) sound off! May the masses be against this and any iron fist rule of the majority!

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Quote: from RedComrade on 7:17 pm on Feb. 8, 2003
In the future let this thread be a vote those who are for this banning and those who are against this banning (note i am not against all bannings but i really think your shooting yourself in the foot when you ban norm) sound off! May the masses be against this and any iron fist rule of the majority!

Ok I agree with this dabate but I don't think we should do a massive campaign to let someone that thinks we're "commie shitheads"back in just like that, I mean having tolarance is good but creating a movement to save the Norm?I'll stick to the whales.

(Edited by Guardia Bolivariano at 7:27 pm on Feb. 8, 2003)

[Blibblob]

hmm, now that norm is gone, they can scrape this forum.

Only capitalist worth debating with.

[James]

He was spamming. Simply spamming hate, seriously. You should have seen his threads

(i'm not going to go further, all this stuff has been delt with else where)

[Xvall]

You fools; do you not see that he WANTED you to ban him? Asinine idiots. Now he is going to talk about how 'authoritatian' and 'communistic' we are for 'crushing dissent'!

[Larissa]

Sorry to repeat myself so many times: HE IS BACK UNDER THE NICKNAME OF "OLD FRIEND"

[Xvall]

You idiots are simply feeding his attention-deprived craving with all of this extra attention! If you wanted to really piss him off you would not have banned him in the first place! You are begining to upset me! Your infantile behavior is not funny!

[Saint-Just]

I do not agree with banning, but I remember Norm saying some terrible profanities recently, saying 'you won't ban me you fags' - or something like that, why did he do that???. But that is so strange because he has demonstrated himself to be a reasonable previous to that. Not taking sides, don't understand the situation.

[James]

i suppose no one will ever know the full truth because i got rid of the evidence as such, which has allowed SM to make such shit up.

I advise a thourgher (spelt?) read through of the topic sticky topic. It gives a basic step by step history of what happened.

[Eastside Revolt]

I agree with Redcomrade, I like to hear what tha Stalinists and people like Stormin' ZNormin have to say. It makes me realize how actaully weak the arguments of these kind of people are.

[Xvall]

I believe that the entire reason he did that is because he wanted to get banned; just so that he can say we are a bunch of evildoers who smash anyone who disagrees with us.

[James]

red; uh hu, i agree. But you havn't seen what he was posting. I wish i hadn't deleted it all now, for exatcly this reason.

Drake; i think your bang on.

[Saint-Just]

'I agree with Redcomrade, I like to hear what tha Stalinists and people like Stormin' ZNormin have to say. It makes me realize how actaully weak the arguments of these kind of people are.'

Yes.. apart from the part where the capitalists are actually on par with your debate, and all the Stalinists exceed you. If you want to start any debate with I, Mazdak, Thursday Night, Cassius, or other Marxist-Leninst feel welcome as you did in you recent post in which you recieved abject defeat.

[Just Joe]

the time i've been here, Stormin Norman has done nothing but insult, troll and spam. i don't see any reason he could be a valube member of this board.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Just Joe on 11:42 pm on Feb. 8, 2003
the time i've been here, Stormin Norman has done nothing but insult, troll and spam. i don't see any reason he could be a valube member of this board.



Before you joined he was your average dumb ass cappi, arguing weak points ect. But recently he started spaming and flaming as you say.

James i sae what he was posting. The was flaming people, you especially.

[James]

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=1534&start=0 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1534&start=0)

[RedComrade]

After reading through the site i apologize to comrades specifically James, and am aware I mustve seemed very sympathetic to Norm and consequently his viewpoints. Allow me to clear this up, I in no way agree with Norm's twisted ideology I support his presence on this site because i feel he does present a reasonably intelligent and sometimes entertaining oposing viewpoint however after looking through past posts i see his behavior has steadily deteriorated. However instead of banning him and deleting the evidence i feel he should have been ignored and his ridicoulous comments should have been left to speak for themselves however this is certainly no call for the removal of James mod powers like i advocated foolishly in the past. Sorry comrades for the mix-up i still feel Norm should not have been banned but for pratical reasons not out of sympathy...

[Old Friend]

Thanks to those of you smart enough to recognize the truth. If all James was doing was deleting personal attacks, why are some of my more notable works being erased from che-lives. For example, some of you might remember the global warming debate from June. That has been purged, as well. I fear giving those who are jealous of my ability power has brought about the harshest reaction. I only hope that this is a petty vendetta thing and nothing dishonest is occurring. Anyways, I am alive and well on another forum. The is no possible way for me to ever trust the integrity of this board, again. No more intellectual works will be posted on this forum.

Your friend,

Stormin Norman

P.S. I sent all of my important works to myself via the U.S. postal service. Be careful. I have copywrite protection.

(Edited by Old Friend at 10:36 am on Feb. 10, 2003)

[James]

Oh look! SM is back. That wasn't expected was it...

SM;
GROW UP YOU SAD SAD PERSON.

[Larissa]

Quote: from James on 12:51 pm on Feb. 10, 2003
Oh look! SM is back. That wasn't expected was it...

SM;
GROW UP YOU SAD SAD PERSON. I told you, but you wouldn't "listen" (actually, wouldn't "read" my posts)

So, let's just say "Welcome Back" (?)

(Edited by Larissa at 12:55 pm on Feb. 10, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

I think that may have been his good bye post so saying welcome back may have been pointless

[James]

Its because he's a sad internet freak who has no life - so can't draw himself away from posting.

He already made several "last posts".

[Invader Zim]

Ha ha LOL

[James]

Right, i'm now locking this thread because it is also being discussed in the top sticky thread.
See before for the link.

The only reason i'm doing this is because its pointless having the same discussion in 3 or 4 threads. Makes far more sense to concentrate it all in one. Surely?

And yes, i'm well aware that this is going to make MDPthink that i'm a little stalin hardline fuck - but in my opinion it needs to be done. And MDP, i was looking inCC, and me and you have talked about this before.