I am not a moderator

[vox]

Though the list of moderators includes me, I am not a moderator. I do not have mod access.

The fact is I was blocked from even viewing this site for quite some time.

I find it outrageous that the petty dictators in charge now would list me as a moderator. Oops, that's probably out of line, I may be banned!!!!

Fact is, looking around this site I see a bunch of bullshit. When the right-wing fuckheads talk about a "material breach," did anyone bring up UNSC 242 (http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/b86613e7d92097880525672e007227a7/59210ce6d04aef61852560c3005da209!OpenDocument)? Or UNSC 446 (http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/db942872b9eae454852560f6005a76fb/ba123cded3ea84a5852560e50077c2dc!OpenDocument)? Or UNSC 465 (http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/5aa254a1c8f8b1cb852560e50075d7d5!OpenDocument)?

Did anyone do the boring work of reading through these things? Or did people just say "Bush sucks" and "American Imperliasm?"

Hmmm. I wonder.


The facts is the facts, as they say. Bush hasn't shown imminent threat. Powell didn't show it at all. So the question is whether or not material breach is cause to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians who have no say in their government. The right-wingers are creaming thenselves over the rotting corpses already.

No, thank you.

I am not a mod here.

I don't think I'd want to be.

vox (an unaligned nation)

[Old Friend]

Even though we had a healthy hatred for each other’s opposing ideologies, I never suspected that you were one of the moderators who sought to purge me from this site.

James was the guy who started editing my posts and blocking my access to thread I had created. When I posted valid criticism of his moderating powers, he deleted my entire thread. That's when things got ugly. I was relentless at trying to expose his Stalinist nature, albeit with harsh names. He continually deleted my criticisms of him; even those that were light on the names, and sound in nature.

When I realized that some Nazi possessed the power, and mandate to censor my messages, I saw no further need to debate, as the cards were stacked against me. At anytime James could delete my argument and claim that I had broken the new rule, which he has been so vocal in administering.

I am not one to bow to authority, as it usually rests in the hands of those who are less in character and intelligence than me. Ask my teachers, and the administrators of the schools that I have attended, for they can attest to this fact. I have always reacted to the rules meant to socially engineer my behavior and opinions in a less than accommodating fashion.

Although there is no excuse for some of the things I had said in an attempt to get banned from this god-forsaken web-site, I think the countless messages of mine that were deleted demonstrate why I committed cyber-suicide. I apologize to the respectable members of this web-site for some of the trolling I engaged in prior to my ban.

I know this message will probably be erased, but hopefully somebody will see it and pass the message on. I wanted the truth of the matter to be known by somebody other than James, for I know he will not expose the events that unfolded, unless they present things in a manner that weighs heavily in his favor.

I am currently searching for a new discussion forum I can call my home. When I find one, I will use one last guest post to alert the members of Che-lives (who care about my ideas) of my where-abouts.

Thanks to many of you for a stimulating time here at Che-lives,

Stormin Norman

[vox]

Quote: from Old Friend on 7:39 am on Feb. 8, 2003
Even though we had a healthy hatred for each other’s opposing ideologies, I never suspected that you were one of the moderators who sought to purge me from this site.

James was the guy who started editing my posts and blocking my access to thread I had created. When I posted valid criticism of his moderating powers, he deleted my entire thread. That's when things got ugly. I was relentless at trying to expose his Stalinist nature, albeit with harsh names. He continually deleted my criticisms of him; even those that were light on the names, and sound in nature.

When I realized that some Nazi possessed the power, and mandate to censor my messages, I saw no further need to debate, as the cards were stacked against me. At anytime James could delete my argument and claim that I had broken the new rule, which he has been so vocal in administering.

I am not one to bow to authority, as it usually rests in the hands of those who are less in character and intelligence than me. Ask my teachers, and the administrators of the schools that I have attended, for they can attest to this fact. I have always reacted to the rules meant to socially engineer my behavior and opinions in a less than accommodating fashion.

Although there is no excuse for some of the things I had said in an attempt to get banned from this god-forsaken web-site, I think the countless messages of mine that were deleted demonstrate why I committed cyber-suicide. I apologize to the respectable members of this web-site for some of the trolling I engaged in prior to my ban.

I know this message will probably be erased, but hopefully somebody will see it and pass the message on. I wanted the truth of the matter to be known by somebody other than James, for I know he will not expose the events that unfolded, unless they present things in a manner that weighs heavily in his favor.

I am currently searching for a new discussion forum I can call my home. When I find one, I will use one last guest post to alert the members of Che-lives (who care about my ideas) of my where-abouts.

Thanks to many of you for a stimulating time here at Che-lives,

Stormin Norman

"Even though we had a healthy hatred for each other’s opposing ideologies, I never suspected that you were one of the moderators who sought to purge me from this site."

That's about the only thing you've ever said with which I agree. Deleting posts, editing posts, whatnot, it's simple foolishness.

I don't think that people understand that THIS IS ONLY A MESSAGE BOARD. This is not the UN. This isn't even CNN. It's a little message board that most people will never see. My posting style on a board like this, especially on a forum like this, tends toward the arrogant, but even I never had the hubris to believe that posts should be deleted or edited simply because you didn't like what someone had to say. In fact, I made a post about this in the Commie Club, which has since been deleted, of course. My position was the moderator that moderates best moderates least. I would have deleted the porn stories that Netboy Preston posted, but that was it.

Goddman. What fun is there in simply deleting posts? Hell, that's what right-wing filth does! Of course, on this board, it's sometimes hard to tell the difference between the Left and the right-wingnuts. If you don't want to play, QUIT PLAYING.

You know, SN? I think I was right in leaving the first time. So long and bad luck to ya,

vox (will be found in greener pastures)

[Old Friend]

Before you leave again, you should go back and reread the thread I posted awhile ago called the New Vanguard. For a thread that was suppose to be a joke, it was rather accurate. Imagine how these fools would act with real power, vox. Now are you starting to understand just one of my criticisms of Marxist ideology? It takes a certain kind of person to impose communism. I think we are seeing the miniture version of that. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think so.

[Old Friend]

As for your claim that this is right wing behavior, I say you are right in a sense. If you look at the political spectrum, you have communism on the left, and fascism on the right. I suggest that political ideologies should not be viewed as a spectrum, but rather a closed loop. Communism and fascism blend together at the top of the loop. They are one and the same. In fact, I have heard East Germans who have lived under both systems make the same comparison.

[Mazdak]

I cannot believe i am saying this, but i actually agree with Vox. This is what i have been saying this whole time.

[RedComrade]

Yo Norm let us know were we can find you in the future i know i am not going to tuck tail and run from debate like some cowards, tell me if you find a fair and balanced debate site man, however if they strip james mod powers and if the censorship stops i think u should stay here this site use to be cool, in my opinion very cool...

[James]

SM; stop trying to change history.

You were attacking me, and spamming.

You will notice i didn' delete your posts that had some thought behind them.

[synthesis]

One has to realize how calculated Stormin Normin's maneuver was.

Rather than simply leaving, which is what any decent human being would have done, Stormin Norman had to be banned so that he could scream, Censorship, censorship, I'm oppressed!

Norman: It was fully within your abilities to simply leave. Now you have the additional satisfaction of leaving with a barely earned BANNED under your name, leading any and all newcomers to believe that you were 'censored.'

Rather transparent, though, don't you think, Norm?

[Old Friend]

Vox poses an interesting question. If he is not a moderator, why does his name continue to remain on the moderator list? Fraud and deception?

I have also noticed that many who have attacked me lately have 2, 3, maybe 50 posts. Could it be that these members are being created by other members in order to either attack me without me knowing the culprit, or to fake a more unified front against me? This site is unscrupulous in its behavior.

Maybe I was a little harsh on those who deserved my criticism. However, that is no cause to erase the fact that I ever existed here. The cowardice is more extensive than I first imagined. What are you communists so afraid of? It reminds me of my prediction:

The New Vanguard

I have noticed recently that some of the more prestigious members of the board have risen from the ranks to leadership positions within the community. Will this small conspiratorial group emulate their hero? Does this group represent a small, highly organized, highly motivated, political organization intent on seizing power from the sitting rulers through violent means? Will the leadership of this new group be as murderous, and power hungry as their predecessors. Will the death toll rival the Bolshevik revolution, Mao's revolution, or even the SWAPO insurgency?

No really, what's the story behind all of the new moderators of this site? Did you guys kill Malte? Are you guys plotting against each other? Are you maneuvering to take his seat as dictator? It will be interesting to see who gets power, who gets scraps, and who gets the shiv in the back. These new developments are almost as exciting as the shaky alliances and shifting power centers around the time of the second world war. I can hardly wait to see how it all ends.

[Ian]

Welcome back comrade

[Edelweiss]

Let me clear some things:
- vox once agreed to be a mod, and has still full mod access. I always hoped he'll come back, so I didn't deleted him from the list.
- vox was of course never banned (what an absurd idea, actually I blocked out the Stalinists just to keep members like vox!), he may be accidently blocked out with one of the Stalinists (yes, I'm aware of the irony).

[antieverything]

Holy shit Vox, I'm so glad that you are back...I start to feel lonely when it comes to participating in serious debates.

[peaccenicked]

I take Vox's point on the UN resolutions yet I think, there has been valuable anti-war stuff all over this site, not least in the poetry and thats excluding my own.
Last december there I literally flooded the Cap vs Soc forum with anti war stuff and The Capis got so annoyed with me they started keeping count to the point that there only argument was the count. Shower of fucking Morons.
I think on the whole it takes a little technical expertise and patience in scouring the Net. It takes time. I dont think so much matters what we say to the Capis any longer they are completely full of shit. What perhaps matters a lot more is how we conduct the propaganda war against the systematic lying that this war is generating at large. Even socialists can be deluded, if they are not constant guard. One of my closest friends actually thought that the Iraqi 's would welcome a regime change, maybe so, but not an American puppet one.
It is quite possible and most probable that the Iraqi people hate the American and British government and their military more than they hate Saddam. Who is responsible for bombing their country almost every day for the last 10 years, who is responsible for economic sanctions. It is bloody wishful thinking and we are supposed to believe that the Iraqi people blame it on Saddam. It is utter crap.
The shit we are getting has to be questioned on every level. It is a pile of lies. How much Che -lives can take on board exposing this intensive cobweb is perhaps something we should be discussing more fully. We are not an organised propaganda machine or in modern terms anti propaganda machine. Stick around and contribute instead of quibling over technical assess and our lack of tightness in applying ourselves to the anti-war campaign. People get busy... please. I will try to post more often here soon myself.

[Invader Zim]

Vox i dont know you so i wont pass comment.

Bus SM please dont bull shit about censorship you were flaming, spamming and breaking forum rules. I think that James was well within his rights to ban you. Please before you brand me with the same iron as all these hard core commi's who all hate you, i have to say you did once post constructive things now all you do is spread discord around the forum.

[vox]

A couple quick things.

SN: I don't think I've ever argued that totalitarians, whether claiming to be of the Left or not, are totalitaians, and I'm not talking about the limited scope of this board. You'd be hard pressed to find one who opposes Stalinism as much as I do. To link the material application of Stalinism and the philosophical tradition of Marx, however, is disingenuous, and, as always, I invite a rebuttal. Recall, however, that Marx was not a Stalinist.

Malte said that I was never banned and that I still have full mod access. Hey, maybe I do. I haven't checked, and this is the first I've been back. I'm happy, however, to tell everyone why I said these things in the first place.

After I left a few rather nasty notes in the CC, I found that I was not able, from this IP address, to view the board, or even the site. I'll grant that it was 2-3 weeks before I even tried, but that's not the issue here. Seeing that I could not even view the site, what is one to think? Draw your own conclusions, as I drew mine.

As for the mod aspect, I know I used to be able to view IP addresses, but now I cannot. Perhaps this is a change in the mod function. I do not know. I'm not on close terms with anyone here. (By the way, for those who are paranoid, viewing an IP address is not a big deal.)

So, I couldn't access the site (until I spoke to two admins from here, and then, magically, I was able to view the site again!) and I'm not able to do what I could do previously.

Like I said, you draw your own conclusions, just as I will draw mine.

vox

[Politrickian]

viewing ip's is a big deal, my comrade.

with an ip you can hack into my computer, delete all my porn and you can also disable the cooling function of my refrigerator.

=)

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 1:58 pm on Feb. 11, 2003
I take Vox's point on the UN resolutions yet I think, there has been valuable anti-war stuff all over this site, not least in the poetry and thats excluding my own.
Last december there I literally flooded the Cap vs Soc forum with anti war stuff and The Capis got so annoyed with me they started keeping count to the point that there only argument was the count. Shower of fucking Morons.
I think on the whole it takes a little technical expertise and patience in scouring the Net. It takes time. I dont think so much matters what we say to the Capis any longer they are completely full of shit. What perhaps matters a lot more is how we conduct the propaganda war against the systematic lying that this war is generating at large. Even socialists can be deluded, if they are not constant guard. One of my closest friends actually thought that the Iraqi 's would welcome a regime change, maybe so, but not an American puppet one.
It is quite possible and most probable that the Iraqi people hate the American and British government and their military more than they hate Saddam. Who is responsible for bombing their country almost every day for the last 10 years, who is responsible for economic sanctions. It is bloody wishful thinking and we are supposed to believe that the Iraqi people blame it on Saddam. It is utter crap.
The shit we are getting has to be questioned on every level. It is a pile of lies. How much Che -lives can take on board exposing this intensive cobweb is perhaps something we should be discussing more fully. We are not an organised propaganda machine or in modern terms anti propaganda machine. Stick around and contribute instead of quibling over technical assess and our lack of tightness in applying ourselves to the anti-war campaign. People get busy... please. I will try to post more often here soon myself.


I posted an article here on the Q &A about the war including the "weapons of mass destruction" and it was ignored by the cappies who didnt even reply

[Edelweiss]

Quote: from vox on 8:27 am on Feb. 15, 2003
A couple quick things.

SN: I don't think I've ever argued that totalitarians, whether claiming to be of the Left or not, are totalitaians, and I'm not talking about the limited scope of this board. You'd be hard pressed to find one who opposes Stalinism as much as I do. To link the material application of Stalinism and the philosophical tradition of Marx, however, is disingenuous, and, as always, I invite a rebuttal. Recall, however, that Marx was not a Stalinist.

Malte said that I was never banned and that I still have full mod access. Hey, maybe I do. I haven't checked, and this is the first I've been back. I'm happy, however, to tell everyone why I said these things in the first place.

After I left a few rather nasty notes in the CC, I found that I was not able, from this IP address, to view the board, or even the site. I'll grant that it was 2-3 weeks before I even tried, but that's not the issue here. Seeing that I could not even view the site, what is one to think? Draw your own conclusions, as I drew mine.

As for the mod aspect, I know I used to be able to view IP addresses, but now I cannot. Perhaps this is a change in the mod function. I do not know. I'm not on close terms with anyone here. (By the way, for those who are paranoid, viewing an IP address is not a big deal.)

So, I couldn't access the site (until I spoke to two admins from here, and then, magically, I was able to view the site again!) and I'm not able to do what I could do previously.

Like I said, you draw your own conclusions, just as I will draw mine.

vox


I made some technical changes to the moderating functions, an now only admin's can view the IP of a poster. So, beside of that, you still have full moderating powers.
vox, I guess this was all a big misunderstanding, and although you have been so fucking arrogant in your recent posts in the CC, I kindly invite you to return to the community as a moderator, or just regular member.
Finally, if you still have doubts about you beeing never banned, read my post from about 2 weeks ago: http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...c=1501&start=30 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1501&start=30)

[mentalbunny]

vox, point taken about the UN stuff, but that's why we need you because most of us don't know about that, we just have our opinions, so we need someone to educate us, someone we can trust.

Please stay and post here, it will make so much difference to the community, but I'll understand if you don't want to.

[American Kid]

vox. How are things?

I'm the Kid.

Anyway, yeah. Otherwise known as your worst nightmare.

Just wondering which of these is actually you

this:

I'm not really one for goodbyes. Generally, when I go, I just go, but I've posted so much here that somehow didn't feel right.
I'm done here. There's nothing more for me to say on these boards, I think. I'm weary of repeating myself, and I'm not really having fun anymore. My heart just isn't in it, and arguing with dimwitted right-wing swine truly isn't amusing.

So I'm gone. Keep up the good posts. Stay focused and don't think that the right-wingers are decent people. They are the ones who endorse the very things that create class exploitation.

Bye,

vox

or this:

This place is goddamned worthless, but that's not surprising because the "Left" is goddamned worthless. It's vulgar masturbation and mutual admiration. Makes me wanna fuckin' puke.

I piss on it all, on the Left and the right.

Oh, and for those of you wondering, I piss standing up. I'm male, not female. Some assholes believed that SN somehow "divined" my gender from my posts, as if SN has ever been right about anything. That anyone believed him is evidence to me that this place is truly worhtless.

The hell with it, brother.

I quit.

Both are awsome. But I was just wondering if they're legit. Not that I doubt my sources or anything.....

Anyway, yeah. You're probably wondering how I'm doing. I'm fine, thank you. Terribly heart-broken to hear you'd been banned (and yes vox, the Kid agrees; looks like you were banned).

In further news. I went to McDonald's yesterday and I'll probably go tomorrow.

your foul right-winger arch-nemesis,
-AK

(can't say I don't pine for the "old days)

(Edited by American Kid at 9:57 am on Feb. 18, 2003)

[Anonymous]

"Oh, and for those of you wondering, I piss standing up. I'm male, not female."

Goddamnit! Ya' know, you can literally fuck up a wet dream. There go my 'commie chick in hot leather" fantasies. Thanks Vox, you've once again manged to demolish the continuos fantasy world I live in.

Oh yeah, and spell "right" with a fucking capital 'R' *****, er' I mean...nevermind.

(ec if you read this i'll respond to your thread later, I'm too tired now.)