Your Favorite "Revolutionary" ? .... & why

[LiberaCHE]

?

[Pogue]

Che Guevara, because he lived for what he believed in, he actualy got things done, and he died fighting for socialism.

[dirtycommiebastard]

Lenin.
He owned Anarchists and Children.

[comrade stalin guevara]

It was between che and ho for me but i choose che,
he died standing for socialisim

unlike me he fought against oppression
he dident just sit at a computer whineing about it!

[Joe Hill's Ghost]

Durutti He kicked leninist ass.

[Aurelia]

Lenin of course, he had no other occupation, he was a revolutionary.

[Comrade Rage]

Lenin.

I like Che, he would've been my second choice, but Lenin built the modern Communist movement.

[comrade stalin guevara]

yes another reason i chosse che,
i love stalin but his revolutionary achivements
are minamal.
che was after all stalin2.

[shorelinetrance]

Subcomandante Marcos

[F9]

che was after all stalin2.

Not even close!:blink:

Fuserg9:star:

[comrade stalin guevara]

Not even close,
according to the letter/s he wrote to
his mom while in gutamala in wich he ended them

sinserly yours,
Stalin two

[professorchaos]

Out of the options, Marcos.
But I choose Marx. Shouldn't that be the obvious one?

[F9]

and i sign as "fuser" g9,what i am che the ninth?:lol:
lets get serious,i am not aware of that letter but it isnt the words that descripe a person but their actions and in actions not even close he is stalin2

Fuserg9:star:

[Bright Banana Beard]

I don't have any favorite revolutionary. They all struggled in some way. In order word, they are all human.

[comrade stalin guevara]

like stalin che was very ruthless and a convinced communist,
the executer of castros revolutionaries

[Prairie Fire]

V.I. Lenin.

Anyone who votes for Mandella should have automatic restriction to OI. Why don't you put Gahndi and the fucking Dalai lama up there too.:rolleyes:

[rocker935]

Whats wrong with Nelson Mandela and Gandhi?!? Nelson Mandela ended a fucking Apartheid and Gandhi fuckin' kicked the British out of India. Just because they weren't as violent doesn't make them any less of revolutionaries.

[Sendo]

Mandela's South Africa is far worse than the apartheid Africa. there's a great John Pilger documentary on this. Also see Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine. The ANC came to political power through backroom deals that privatized all state industry and services. Though there are token blacks in high positions, the power structure is as white as ever. The common people are nostalgic for the apartheid days and refer to the ANC et al as "WaBenzi" referring to their sellout status and the fact they drive Mercedes-Benzes.

Gandhi was an anti-black racist and a paternalistic supporter of the castes, despite his claims otherwise. He also gets too much credit for the liberation movement.

[OI OI OI]

I would say Lenin and Trotsky are tied for the first place in my books , although I voted for Trotsky because there is no multiple choice.
From others on that list I would say Marx and Engels .

When I was young Che was my idol. Not any more of course. His politics , ideas and tactics were seriously flawed although he is still a great revolutionary in my books.

[Devrim]

and i sign as "fuser" g9,what i am che the ninth?:lol:
lets get serious,i am not aware of that letter but it isnt the words that descripe a person but their actions and in actions not even close he is stalin2

Fuserg9:star:

Che was a Stalinist plain and simple.

Devrim

[gla22]

How did you forget Durutti?

[Devrim]

What's wrong with that?

Prairie Fire

Well, I think that Stalinism is a totally anti-working class bourgeois current.

I was merely pointing out to the anarchist that Che was a part of it.

Devrim

[Aurelia]

Well, I think that Stalinism is a totally anti-working class bourgeois current.

I was merely pointing out to the anarchist the Che was a part of it.

Devrim
Sounds like you have caught the bourgeois disease known as 'Trotskyism', or maybe you have a variant of it, 'anarchism'.

[Bilan]

Durruti.
Down to earth, committed to the end. Greatest revolutionary of all time, hands down.

[Bilan]

Sounds like you have caught the bourgeois disease known as 'Trotskyism', or maybe you have a variant of it, 'anarchism'.

Trotskyism isn't bourgeois. Trotsky was ridiculous, and his criticisms were blatant hypocrisy, but it wasn't bourgeois.
You're seriously absurd, and have no grasp of what that means.

I wont even bother to the anarchism bit. You're just thick.

[RHIZOMES]

LOL @ Nelson Mandela being there.

[Magdalen]

Mandela's South Africa is far worse than the apartheid Africa. there's a great John Pilger documentary on this. Also see Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine. The ANC came to political power through backroom deals that privatized all state industry and services. Though there are token blacks in high positions, the power structure is as white as ever. The common people are nostalgic for the apartheid days and refer to the ANC et al as "WaBenzi" referring to their sellout status and the fact they drive Mercedes-Benzes.

Gandhi was an anti-black racist and a paternalistic supporter of the castes, despite his claims otherwise. He also gets too much credit for the liberation movement.

That's a little bit harsh on the ANC isn't it?

Regardless of what Naomi Klein (who is an irritating middle class liberal) says, we should remember how racist and undemocratic the Apartheid regime was. The ANC may not have lived up to all the expectations of the Left, but at least it brought an end to Apartheid. I very much doubt that the "common people" are in any way nostalgic for the days of White Minority Rule.

Under Apartheid the ANC and SWAPO were at the forefront of the oppressed people's challenge to the racist state, often through direct means by way of sabotage and bombing attacks on strategic installations of the apartheid economy - such as SASOL and Koeburg, army and police targets.

By 1980, 55% of blacks were forced to live in Bantustans which covered only 13% of South Africa's land area. Where they were deprived of their citizenship, where there was little work, food, education or health care. those black workers who remained in urban 'white' South Africa were used as cheap labour to provide luxury for the whites and super-profits for the imperialists. No-one wants to go back to those days.

I won't deny that the ANC is too soft on imperialism. However, your allegations that they came to power through "backroom deals", that the power structure is "as white as ever", and that ordinary black South Africans are "nostalgic for Apartheid", are wide of the mark.

[Trystan]

None of the above. My favorite revolutionary is Karl Marx, followed by Antonio Gramsci.

[Pogue]

Che was a much greater man and revolutionary than Stalin.
Che was the ultimate socialist.

[Holden Caulfield]

Trotskyism isn't bourgeois. Trotsky was ridiculous, and his criticisms were blatant hypocrisy, but it wasn't bourgeois.
You're seriously absurd, and have no grasp of what that means.

I wont even bother to the anarchism bit. You're just thick.

i dont agree with it but still :lol:

i'm gonna say Lenin, he had a lot of things working against him and still pulled the revolution through it, shame that the necessity of the troubles became what it did,

[Ol' Dirty]

My personal favorite is Rosa Luxembourg.

[Hessian Peel]

Che was a much greater man and revolutionary than Stalin. Che was the ultimate socialist.

Ché was nonetheless a "Stalinist"/Marxist-Leninist.

My personal favourite would be James Connolly for many reasons, not least the bolt from the blue that was the Easter Rising of 1916.

[F9]

Che was a Stalinist plain and simple.

Devrim

i dont disagree, he sometime called himself stalinist,but that doesnt make him stalin2!thats what i am saying devrim.And i see a lot differential bettwen what che was and what stalin was to make them copys.

Fuserg9:star:

[Devrim]

i dont disagree, he sometime called himself stalinist,but that doesnt make him stalin2!

No, but in our opinion their politics were equally anti-working class.

There is an article about it here:

http://en.internationalism.org/icconline/2007/che-guevara

Devrim

[Joe Hill's Ghost]

Che was a much greater man and revolutionary than Stalin.
Che was the ultimate socialist.

On what planet? Opposite day world?

[Lost In Translation]

On what planet? Opposite day world?
Now, now, let him have his moment. After all, who is YOUR favorite "Revolutionary". No point in you picking a fight here.

[black magick hustla]

i really like ricardo flores magon for some reason. he made a lot of errors and i get the feeling that the sometimes the magonistas were too utopian and insurrectionary and that is why probably they failed in tijuana and baja california. however, he has a special place in my heart.

[comrade stalin guevara]

stalin is/was a true socialist

[LiberaCHE]

LOL @ Nelson Mandela being there.

That was put there to meet the quota (jk)


Upon reflection I should have used Thomas Sankara

[LiberaCHE]

Not even close,
according to the letter/s he wrote to
his mom while in gutamala in wich he ended them

sinserly yours,
Stalin two


It is true that at minumum the 'early' Che (who grew up during WWII and was ardently against Nazism) admired Stalin (something that I have no problem with at all).

For instance

In December 1953, after visiting a large United Fruit Latifundio where he saw the swollen bellies of starving indigenous children, Che wrote to his aunt from San José, Costa Rica, "I have sworn before a picture of our old, much lamented comrade Stalin that I will not rest until I see these capitalist octopuses annihilated."*


*(Fine by me, how can I help :cool:)

[Red October]

Why are Durruti and Makhno not listed?

[Aurelia]

Lol @ all the self-righteous naive liberals peddling bourgeois stereotypes of comrade Stalin. All anarchists, Trots and idealists should be IP banned.

[LiberaCHE]

Why are Durruti and Makhno not listed?

The poll option only allows 10 choices.

I would have preferred 20.

[Aurelia]

Makhno was a fascist and his men were rapists and thugs.

[politics student]

Well I read a lot from lenin recently but I have to consider Che to be my current.

[Mala Tha Testa]

four-way tie between Sub. Marcos, Che, Ho Chi Minh and Lenin.

at random i went with Che

[OI OI OI]

Lol @ all the self-righteous naive liberals peddling bourgeois stereotypes of comrade Stalin. All anarchists, Trots and idealists should be IP banned

I think you should be banned for this flamming comment

If those self righteous naive liberals peddling bourgeois stereotypes make up 95% of the forum. Really you need to shut up. I ve seen other comments of yours and they are equally idiotic.
You really disgust me.

[Winter]

Am I going to be the first person to say it? I'm going with Mao.

I believe he brought Marxism-Leninism to a new level. He showed how under-developed countries can carry out a Socialist revolution.

With the majority of the world being under-developed, it is extremely relevant for today. Those living in the Imperialist countries should support under-developed nations struggles against imperialism, even if those movements unite for national liberation. It is progress and without progress Socialism would be impossible.

[OI OI OI]

He showed how under-developed countries can carry out a Socialist revolution.

I think your missing a chapter in your communist education which is the Permanent Revolution by Trotsky

[comrade stalin guevara]

Permanent revolution is not communist education,
its revisionist crap.

[Red October]

Makhno was a fascist and his men were rapists and thugs.

Screw off, troll.

[Winter]

I think your missing a chapter in your communist education which is the Permanent Revolution by Trotsky

Let me restate that then: He showed how under-developed countries can carry out a Socialist revolution that can work in one country.

Permanent revolution is not plausible. It is very unlikely the whole world will revolt at once, as if the U.S. and Columbia will simultaneously revolt. Right now there's no way a first world country would revolt. People are too comfortable. It has to begin in one country that directly feels the effects of capitalism. The U.S. reaps the benefits and does not see the vast harm it does.

[Robespierre2.0]

Maximilien Robespierre. He was like a proto-Lenin in a powdered wig. Plus, he was very quotable-

"To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is cruelty."

"If the mainspring of popular government in peacetime is virtue, amid revolution it is at the same time virtue and terror: virtue, without which terror is fatal; terror, without which virtue is impotent. Terror is nothing but prompt, severe, inflexible justice; it is therefore an emanation of virtue. It is less a special principle than a consequence of the general principle of democracy applied to our country's most pressing needs."

I mean, come on, we need some variety here. It's boring if everyone picks Che.

[LiberaCHE]

Maximilien Robespierre.

"To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is cruelty."


Love this quote

And very applicable to the revolutionary tribunals of Batista's goons , although Che didn't have the much more fitting = Guillotine

[Mindtoaster]

Durruti


Lol @ all the self-righteous naive liberals peddling bourgeois stereotypes of comrade Stalin. All anarchists, Trots and idealists should be IP banned.

Surely sectarian, idiot comments like this are (at least temporarily) bannable offenses?

[iXchel_Xicana]

Huey Pierce Newton.- showed that anyone who has actually been through the struggle of their people can become a force of change. He was a smart man and it's sad how he has been portrayed in modern history/corporate media as a simple drug addict.

Malik Shabazz a.k.a Malcolm X.. - This man's change should be an inspiration to anyone, he was truly onto something amazing.

Tupac Amaru II. - Fought against Colonial occupation for the liberation of all Indigenous/Afrikan peoples in Peru and had connections to support in other nations.. he succeeded in uniting Indigenous tribes when there was so much distrust for eachother because of the enslavements of our people by the Spanish.

[Forward Union]

I picked Subcomandante Marcos. Which makes me feel embarased, but actually I stand by it given the options.

Other than that Id pick Gerrard Winstanley, profesional quote machine, Leader of the Levellers Movement of 1649. They tried to "Level" society, to make evryone equal, to abolish money, state and property...


Your buying and selling of Land, and the Fruits of it, one to another, is the great cursed thing, and was brought in by War!; which hath, and still doth establish murder, and theft, In the hands of some branches of Mankinde over others"


Many men have stood for Freedom, great petitions and promises have been made for Freedom. But Freedom is the man who will turn the worlde upside down. Therefor no wonder he has enemies"



"The Gentry must come down, and the poore shall wear the crown"



"And thoughts ran through me that words and writings were all nothing and must die. For action is the life of all. And if though doft not act, thou doft nothing"

Fucking Hero.

[LiberaCHE]

Since he has pulled in the lead in the voting ...



O_QXOG1rDLs


"At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality. We must strive every day so that this love of living humanity will be transformed into actual deeds, into acts that serve as examples, as a moving force."

~ Che Guevara



Hasta la Victoria Siempre

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Joseph Stalin. For successfully implementing the ideas of Marx, Engels and Lenin in the USSR.

I'm sure there will be a lot of Trot-pissy-*****ing in this thread but there are many issues which Stalin "took-care-of" much more effectively than even Lenin himself. Now while I acknowledge there are many reasons for this, Lenin was, in many circumstances, very soft on the opposition, and had he taken more "harsh" measures in dealing with such opposition, Stalin wouldn't have had to do all the "dirty work"- one issue being Trotsky. But Stalin was not afraid to act upon necessity, and recognized that "thinking twice" can result in the destruction of the soviet-state. It is only this which resulted in the defeat of the Nazis, crushed the bourgeoisie and gave the soviet state the strength which it had.

[Winter]

Joseph Stalin. For successfully implementing the ideas of Marx, Engels and Lenin in the USSR.

I'm sure there will be a lot of Trot-pissy-*****ing in this thread but there are many issues which Stalin "took-care-of" much more effectively than even Lenin himself. Now while I acknowledge there are many reasons for this, Lenin was, in many circumstances, very soft on the opposition, and had he taken more "harsh" measures in dealing with such opposition, Stalin wouldn't have had to do all the "dirty work"- one issue being Trotsky. But Stalin was not afraid to act upon necessity, and recognized that "thinking twice" can result in the destruction of the soviet-state. It is only this which resulted in the defeat of the Nazis, crushed the bourgeoisie and gave the soviet state the strength which it had.

Very well said, comrade!

[LiberaCHE]

Stalin was not afraid to act upon necessity, and recognized that "thinking twice" can result in the destruction of the soviet-state. It is only this which resulted in the defeat of the Nazis, crushed the bourgeoisie and gave the soviet state the strength which it had.


http://i.pbase.com/o4/97/388497/1/64021719.CHPTbjAb.applause.gif

[bcbm]

The Bonnot Gang... oh yeah.

[Post-Something]

Antonio Gramsci. Although he might not be "revolutionary" in that sense, as in leading a revolution, he really showed me that Marxism was not dead.

[Black Sheep]

Voted for Ernesto, for reasons already mentioned by other users.

Anyone who votes for Mandella should have automatic restriction to OI. Why don't you put Gahndi and the fucking Dalai lama up there too.

i fuckin agree, this is supposed to be the REVOLUTIONARY left!
like in another poll, voting about where do u stand and stuff, there was an option "social democrat".
what the fucking fuck!

[Davie zepeda]

Fidel Alway's only one who still has the movement going strong and keeping it a live from a island .

In this battle of ideology's we can not miss one step .

Hasta la victoria sempire :p

[Dimentio]

Lucifer, at least as a symbol for disobedience.

[Red Flag Rising]

I Like Stalin and Che...

They didn't mess around, they didn't parse words...

they killed.

[Tower of Bebel]

Luxemburg; maybe Liebknecht.

[Hit The North]

I Like Stalin and Che...

They didn't mess around, they didn't parse words...

they killed. Wow. You sound like a real idiot. Yes, Stalin killed every single one of his political opponents, including every prominent member of the Bolshevik Party.

[Red_Dialectics]

Stalin killed every single one of his political opponents, including every prominent member of the Bolshevik Party.

Exactly. That's just not cool.
I said Lenin, because he tried damn hard to have a communist revolution in Russia, which, even though it was not really ready for it, he did succeed at. There were insurmountable odds, but they made it. It's just so unfortunate that the revolutions he was counting on to spontaneously happen in other countries (like Germany) that would have taken the pressure off of the new soviet union, never panned out into anything. I bet he would not have approved about how his name and likeness was used after his death, let alone what happened to the soviet union.

Edit:
I do like Subcomandante Marcos too, though. Gotta support those revolutionaries who are still alive and active, right?

[Rawthentic]

Chairman Mao.

Took Marxism to its highest level (as of now).

[piet11111]

che guevara because he always did what he believed in.

[AutomaticMan]

George Bush.

...

But seriously, I don't know. Someone said Malcolm X, and I agree his change was admirable (having just finished his autobiography), and I like Che.. but both of them were misogynistic. I can't really think of a revolutionary who was completely anti-oppression, in all senses. I guess I don't know enough about half of the people mentioned here, but not many were women...

[PigmerikanMao]

Anyone who votes for Mandella should have automatic restriction to OI.

Wow, you must've loved the Apartheid. Or maybe you're just bitter over the fact that a revolution of such magnitude could've happened peacefully?
:lol:

[PigmerikanMao]

Chairman Mao.

Took Marxism to its highest level (as of now).

Right on, brother! :thumbup1:

[spartan]

Che Guevara because unlike other so called revolutionaries he didn't stop his fight against imperialism and settle down after winning one country.

Instead he carried on the fight in other countries and was eventually killed fighting for his beliefs in a foreign land.

You can't beat dedication like that.

[PigmerikanMao]

Surprising that nobody has voted for Uncle Ho :(

[Decolonize The Left]

I chose Marcos, though Durruti rocked. The reason why? Style.

I shall prove my point... now: Marcos vs. Lenin
http://i36.tinypic.com/90ncxh.gif vs. http://i34.tinypic.com/2rm8rvm.jpg


:lol:

- August

[PigmerikanMao]

well thats no fair. what an unflattering picture of lenin!
try this one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Lenin.WWI.JPG

[Drace]

George Bush.

ROFL! THAT MADE ME LOL.

George bush, haha

[fmlnleft]

CHE because he did not want to stop in one country. he wanted to spread the revolution!! :thumbup:

[Comrade Castro]

Durruti seems like an awesome guy.

[John Lenin]

Looks like Che & Lenin are fan favorites.

maybe the site should be Che&Lenin-lives.com ?

[YadaRanger]

Jean Jaques Rousseau, because his thought on democracy, equality, the the role of "government" were amazing. At least to me.

[hekmatista]

Lenin took socialism from an idea and a (defensive) movement to state power. James Connolly gets honorable mention for unsuccessfully attempting to do the same a year earlier.

[Bronsky]

If there has to be a votes on the matter Trotsky has to take that title. He was a revolutionary from his teens and he dies as one. He was the leader of the St Petersburg Soviet during the1905 Revolution, founded Pravda in exile. Developed the Theory of the Permanent Revolution was second only to Lenin during the 1917 Revolutions in Russia, as Chairman of the Petrograd Soviet organised the insurrection.


At the start of the Civil War built the Red Army out of nothing and turned it into a fighting force that beat the Whites and 18 armies of the Capitalist nations. His work was not finished then, after Lenin’s death he fought against Stalinism and founded the Left opposition, was arrested sent into exile had his Soviet citizenship taken from him and his family.



Had two sons killed by Stalin, a daughter went insane after her treatment at the hands of the GPU and his ex wife was sent to a labour camp. In spite of all the terror waged against him he carried on the fight, forming the 4th International. Eventually Stalin caught up with him and he was assassinated in Mexico.

He is not seen as a pin up as Che is but as a real international revolutionist he has no peer. His works are as relevant today as they were when published. Compare his early works to that of Che, there is no comparison.

[Benos145]

If there has to be a votes on the matter Trotsky has to take that title. He was a revolutionary from his teens and he dies as one. He was the leader of the St Petersburg Soviet during the1905 Revolution, founded Pravda in exile. Developed the Theory of the Permanent Revolution was second only to Lenin during the 1917 Revolutions in Russia, as Chairman of the Petrograd Soviet organised the insurrection.


At the start of the Civil War built the Red Army out of nothing and turned it into a fighting force that beat the Whites and 18 armies of the Capitalist nations. His work was not finished then, after Lenin’s death he fought against Stalinism and founded the Left opposition, was arrested sent into exile had his Soviet citizenship taken from him and his family.



Had two sons killed by Stalin, a daughter went insane after her treatment at the hands of the GPU and his ex wife was sent to a labour camp. In spite of all the terror waged against him he carried on the fight, forming the 4th International. Eventually Stalin caught up with him and he was assassinated in Mexico.

He is not seen as a pin up as Che is but as a real international revolutionist he has no peer. His works are as relevant today as they were when published. Compare his early works to that of Che, there is no comparison.
Che called your idol Trotsky a revisionist and upheld Stalin and Lenin consistantly against him.

[Benos145]

Surprising that nobody has voted for Uncle Ho :(
Not really, considering that opportunists like to conflate any red-tinted chauvanist as a 'revolutionary'.

[CanadianCommunist]

Well i choose Fidel. I recently read "My Life" the fidel castro story very good book he spearheaded the cuban revolution and while yes Che kicked ass che wouldent have even been heard of if he had not met castro in mexico;)

[Benos145]

Well i choose Fidel. I recently read "My Life" the fidel castro story very good book he spearheaded the cuban revolution and while yes Che kicked ass che wouldent have even been heard of if he had not met castro in mexico;)
Fidel = 'former' anticommunist pro-CIA 'liberal' who became a pawn of Soviet social-imperialism

Che = revolutionary Marxist-Leninist who got relegated from the spotlight at the orders of the Soviet revisionists

[Comrade Cuyler]

I voted for Erich Mühsam. Taken from wiki...

"After breaking his teeth with musket blows; stamping a swastika on his scalp with a red-hot brand; subjecting him to tortures which caused him to be taken into a hospital, even now the fascist hyenas of the Sonninburg concentration camp continue their beastly attacks upon this defenseless man. The last news are really atrocious: the Nazi forced our comrade to dig his own grave and then with a simulated execution made him go through the agony of a doomed man. Although his body has been reduced to a mass of bleeding and tumefied flesh, his spirit is still very high: when his traducers tried to force him to sing the Horst-Wessel-Lied (the Nazi's anthem) he defied their anger by singing the International."-"The Nazi Regime at Work: Erich Mühsam" in MAN! A Journal of the Anarchist Ideal and Movement. Vol. 2, No. 3 (March 1934).

Nuff said. :cool:

[Crux]

Che called your idol Trotsky a revisionist and upheld Stalin and Lenin consistantly against him.
It's interesting then that he defended the trotskyists when Moscow called for their imprisonment, after the revolution. He also died with The Revolution Betrayed in his bag.

[Crux]

I vote Rosa Luxemburg.

[lombas]

Me.

[PRC-UTE]

Seamus Costello- because more than any other, even Connolly, he excelled at so many different areas of the struggle, from armed resistance to union and community activism to propaganda and elections.

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ A local Kautsky ("different areas of the struggle") for Ireland? ;)

[Red Flag Rising]

You sound like a real idiot.

You sound like a cupcake

REAL revolutionaries kill. The old Bolsheviks killed, Lenin killed, Che killed, Mao killed. Ho killed. What do you think revolution is? It is taking power by force and eliminating your enemies.

Go back to your tree house and sip tea and talk about making a polite revolution that does not leave a bruise, cupcake.

[Comrade_Scott]

fidel castro for two reason one (rather selfishly) he is close to home and 2 most importantly he showed that just because you are a small nation it doesnt mean you have to sell your soul (casro was notorious for pissing off soviet leaders for not whoring out the cuban people) he showed that just because you are small that doesnt mean you cant shape the world and say fuck off to the imperialist pigs and hell he is just cool

[Red Phalanx]

Many, many good choices here, Lenin, Rousseau ...

My favorite is a man who risked everything to burrow into the belly of the beast, dig out its secrets and pass them on to the revolution: Alger Hiss (see my avitar).

[PRC-UTE]

^^^ A local Kautsky ("different areas of the struggle") for Ireland? ;)

What??

[Die Neue Zeit]

You need to get a copy of my work, comrade. ;)

[Malakangga]

Tan Malaka
"a great revolutionary/communist from Indonesia"

[welshboy]

It's a hard choice between Sabate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabate) and myself:D

[Andropov]

James Connolly.
The father of Republican Socialism.
One of the most intelligent Socialists of his time, and his commitment was unquestionable.

[revolucionario]

Fidel because his revolution was with only 82 men. That's in-fucking-credible!

[Os Cangaceiros]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Giuseppe_Garibaldi_%281866%29.jpg

One of the most badass mothafuckas of all time.

[Colonello Buendia]

Durutti He kicked leninist ass. ultra true, of the list I chose Marcos, because he has a pipe

[Os Cangaceiros]

Fidel because his revolution was with only 82 men. That's in-fucking-credible!

It certainly tells you something, doesn't it?

Namely that the Cuban revolution was engineered by a middle class revolutionary and a small group of professional soldiers, and that it had no real popular support from the masses.

[spartan]

It certainly tells you something, doesn't it?

Namely that the Cuban revolution was engineered by a middle class revolutionary and a small group of professional soldiers, and that it had no real popular support from the masses.
How did you reach that conclusion comrade?

Reading Guevara's Guerrilla Warfare points out the fact that the rebel forces only succeeded because they were able to replenish losses with a stream of new volunteers, and were able to survive as a body because the peasants fed them and hid them when necessary.

[Os Cangaceiros]

From the little I've read about the Cuban revolution, it seems like the forces of Castro and Batista battled it out and the bulk of the population was, for the most part, caught in the middle.

I specifically remember an amusing anecdote about how Castro tricked the New York Times into believing that he was commanding thousands of soldiers, when in reality he only had seven (after a disastrous shipwreck). He had each individual soldier report in, wearing different uniforms, and declaring that they were commanders of huge divisions. :lol:

I guess that IS genius.

[Tower of Bebel]

From the little I've read about the Cuban revolution, it seems like the forces of Castro and Batista battled it out and the bulk of the population was, for the most part, caught in the middle.There was popular unrest in Cuba. The population had enough of Batista and there were several small revolts and acts of terrorism. The unstable situation in Cuba madee it possible for such a small band of guerillas to defeat Batisita. Even in the movie "The Godfather" you can see that ;).

[Coggeh]

Trotsky he pawned most of the people on the list leader of the red army like , he was more vicious and passionate than anyone else on the list and had a better scope of Marxist ideas compared to the rest. Lenin and Connolly a close 2nd and 3rd though .

[professorchaos]

Fidel because his revolution was with only 82 men. That's in-fucking-credible!
And therefore not a revolution but rather a coup.

[DancingLarry]

Emma Goldmann, because if she couldn't dance, she didn't want to be part of your revolution.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Emma Goldmann, because if she couldn't dance, she didn't want to be part of your revolution.

http://www.vgboxart.com/boxes/DS/12142_dance_dance_revolution_ds-v3.png

A revolution Goldman could've gotten behind.

[DancingLarry]

A revolution Goldman could've gotten behind.

LOL, somehow I don't think that's quite what Emma had in mind, with the whole consumer product of a multinational corporation aspect of that. But touche nonetheless!

[Hackjob Jonny]

I vote for ROSA FUCKIN PARKS.

[Kal98]

It certainly tells you something, doesn't it?

Namely that the Cuban revolution was engineered by a middle class revolutionary and a small group of professional soldiers, and that it had no real popular support from the masses.
I spose to play Devil's Advocate, the 'Cuban Revolution' was just the anti-imperialist democratic revolution which advocated land-reforms for the landless, an independent Cuba etc. The 'socialist' revolution would have been the later consolidation of political power by the Communist Party and Marxists.

[Kal98]

Emma Goldmann, because if she couldn't dance, she didn't want to be part of your revolution.
Is anyone else thinking of that argument scene between her and Reed in Reds?

[Socialist.Revolutionary]

:star2::che::hammersickle: Subcomandante Marcos and Che are my Favorite :star2::che::hammersickle:

[Dóchas]

definetly che, as well as fighting for what he believed in and he is the single biggest symbol of socialism hes the reason i joined revleft

[Armand Iskra]

I prefer Lenin, since he and the Bolsheviks fought hard to regain the revolution against the opportunists. but on other people? Perhaps Che Guevarra, Kim Il Sung (who instituted the idea of Juche alongside marxism-leninism for korea), Mao Zedong (who instituted guerrila warfare as the main tactic of the revolution), Jose Rizal (Our national hero, in spite of being an armchair activist, his writings spark a call for arms), Andres Bonifacio (in spite of having no capabilities as a battlefield leader, he carries a sense of love for the masses) Bernabe "Ka Dante" Buscayno, and Romulo Jallores.

[Lenin's Law]

From the little I've read about the Cuban revolution, it seems like the forces of Castro and Batista battled it out and the bulk of the population was, for the most part, caught in the middle.


Come on now, let's think a little bit here: How can a small group of men defeat a profesional army? Furthermore the disastrous Granma landing left at most 20 of those original 82 "middle class" revolutionaries that gave their lives for to free Cuba from its neo-colonial yoke.

How would it be possible for a revolutionary group to defeat an organized army; to obstain supplies, food, ammo, replenish their forces, make contact with the outside word, etc without broad and widespread support from the masses? It would not be.

These attacks making the Cuban Revolution look like some coup d'etat led by a couple dozen militants completely ignores the decisive role the masses played in all of this. It is a bourgeois view of the Cuban Revolution and unsurprisingly, many of the bourgeois' "professional" historians also claim that the Russian Revolution was a coup d'etat led by the middle class!

Both are slanders that cater to the idealistic notion of history being effectively controlled by a few individuals 'who just woke up one morning and decided to make a revolution'.

[Catbus]

Errico Malatesta.

[Abner]

I chose V.I. Lenin. I mean, he's the father of the revolution! Marx? The Armchair Revolutionary? I mean that's like comparing George Washington to Voltaire. Sure, he came up with the philosophy and all, but what about leading the people? Fighting the war?

[Forward Union]

ROFL! THAT MADE ME LOL.

George bush, haha

George bush has nationalised more industries than Hugo Chavez

[Forward Union]

Errico Malatesta.

Fail

[destroyimperialism]

Can't decide between Che Guevara or Trotsky, i would give anything to know what would've happened if Trotsky wouldn't have been assasinated and Stalin would've been thrown out of the picture

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

Can't decide between Che Guevara or Trotsky, i would give anything to know what would've happened if Trotsky wouldn't have been assasinated and Stalin would've been thrown out of the picture
Trotsky would have killed Stalin, got into power, started a counter-revolution, destabilized the country and totally lost the war against the nazis. End of the Soviet Union. By the way, Che was a heavy adversary of trotskyism.

BTW, I voted Lenin, my personal favourite.

[Led Zeppelin]

Man I wish I had a time machine like you, that would've been soooo cooooool.

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

Man I wish I had a time machine like you, that would've been soooo cooooool.
The things I suggested are very probable, but off course not sure.
Fact is that Trotsky wanted to start a revolt against Stalin while he knew the nazis were planning an invasion.

[Led Zeppelin]

Fact is also that Stalin was Hitler's twin brother, and it's very probable that they had sex with each other.

Oh shit, I can just make stuff up and say it's a fact too! Amazing! :rolleyes:

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

Fact is also that Stalin was Hitler's twin brother, and it's very probable that they had sex with each other.

Oh shit, I can just make stuff up and say it's a fact too! Amazing! :rolleyes:
:blink:
Ok... and what about a proper discussion?

[Comrade Stern]

trotsky because he tried to revolt against stalin

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

trotsky because he tried to revolt against stalin haha
I hate him for attempting such a counterrevolution:mad: .

[Kassad]

Tough decision between Che Guevara and Vladimir Lenin. They're both prime examples of standing up from the armchair and striving for a principled society in every way possible.

[Comrade Stern]

I hate him for attempting such a counterrevolution:mad: .

i believe he was doing it for the common good... stalin was a paranoid power hungry dictator he wasnt true to the cause and would kill millions in his purges... such a counter-revolution was necessary in my opinion to fight stalin...it was simply a fight to restore freedom and lift the ban on factions within the party and free it from stalins grasp under whom it would no longer be a workers state

[Tower of Bebel]

i believe he was doing it for the common good... stalin was a paranoid power hungry dictator he wasnt true to the cause and would kill millions in his purges... such a counter-revolution was necessary in my opinion to fight stalin...it was simply a fight to restore freedom and lift the ban on factions within the party and free it from stalins grasp under whom it would no longer be a workers state
Trotsky was powerless against the historic and material conditions that dominated the Soviet Union. While Lenin's measures had a temporary character it was only a matter of time before these measures would become permanent. Stalin or Trotsky? That is not the question.

[Rosa Provokateur]

On the poll I'd have to say Nelson Mandela. My all-time personal favorite would have to be Shane Claiborne, he's written two books and I highly recommend everybody read his stuff or put on the "bucket list".

[rebelworker]

Errico Malatesta.

I was waiting for that...

If i had to pick a figure ( I much perfer the nameless who do the real work of the revolution) Id pick Durruti, followed by Makhno, then Malatesta would be up there too.

[Slave Revolt]

Mandela's South Africa is far worse than the apartheid Africa. there's a great John Pilger documentary on this. Also see Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine. The ANC came to political power through backroom deals that privatized all state industry and services. Though there are token blacks in high positions, the power structure is as white as ever. The common people are nostalgic for the apartheid days and refer to the ANC et al as "WaBenzi" referring to their sellout status and the fact they drive Mercedes-Benzes.

Gandhi was an anti-black racist and a paternalistic supporter of the castes, despite his claims otherwise. He also gets too much credit for the liberation movement.

You think John Pilger and Naomi Klein are against Mandela and Gandhi? And that post-apartheid South Africa is worse than Apartheid Africa? Obviously there are still a great number of problems but if you remember in the Shock Doctrine, Klein explains why the ANC were naive and in some ways were forced to give in to capitalist policies.

Gandhi was one of the greatest anti-imperialists ever, a leader of one of the greatest, most important anti-imperialist movements ever. He was not a racist as you seem to believe. On the other hand Stalin was responsible for the deaths of millions (Im only guessing that you are a supporter of Stalin).

Just because they were not Communists does not mean they weren't great men. Stop being so narrow-minded.

[Djehuti]

Karl and Rosa. And Ernst Thälmann!

[Vendetta]

The revolutionaries, rebels, and guerrillas of Mexico and the other Central/South American countries, 'cause I'm a fucking romantic when it comes to stuff like that. ;) So I clicked Zapata, but I could've checked Guevara, Castro, Marcos, or the other button.

[el_chavista]

I love Ulrike Meinhof:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Ulrike_Meinhof_als_junge_Jo.jpg/230px-Ulrike_Meinhof_als_junge_Jo.jpg

[LOLseph Stalin]

Lenin! He led the first successful Communistic revolution.

[Doeko]

Lennin than Fidel than Che than Mao. All of them are great men and great leaders!

[RedSabine]

Luxemburg, the love of my life.

Seriously, she was anti-leninist and pro-awesome.


But, the real answer is me, of course.

[scarletghoul]

Pinochet of course! He kicked them god damn commies ass!

jk jk, I picked Mao.

[Soviet]

1.Lenin as a leader of the first successfull socialist revolution.
2.Stalin as a builder of the socialist superstate-the Soviet Union.
3.Che as the most romantic revolutionary in history.

[Sasha]

whent for zapata but just as well could have gone for goldman, luxemburg, mahkno, duruti etc etc.

[Honggweilo]

Che was a Stalinist plain and simple.

Devrim

Wow, i agree with Devrim :bored:

[scarletghoul]

It is strange how the most popular options are all white, and the least popular (Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Mandela, Zapata) are all non-white. The left is very anti-racist, but it seems that a lot of communists in the west care more about the european side of things than anywhere else. When reading books or articles about marxism and it's influence, I often am annoyed at the way they often go on and on about Russia and Europe, but hardly mention Mao or other asian uprisings. Mao is extremily influential, especially in asia and third world countries, yet it seems a lot of western people do not care. He is a hero to me, as he is the last great thinker and revolutionary, and possibly the most influential person of the 20th century (or one of them), a time other highly significant people were all white. still are

So yeah, it seems there is some disrespect or disregard to oriental cultures in these parts. Shown also in the way people were dissing Vietnam carelessly

[Chapter 24]

The left is very anti-racist, but it seems that a lot of communists in the west care more about the european side of things than anywhere else.
I don't think it really has anything to do with racism or even so-called "eurocentrism", just the way these revolutionaries carry/carried out tactics. I really do think it's more of an ideological perspective, for example most people on the board do not identify themselves as Marxist-Leninist-Maoists and therefore do not uphold Mao as much; similarly goes with Zapata's and non-anarchists. Many on the board have seen Mandela's revolution as not really a socialist one, and even though he identified with progressive anti-apartheid measures, he was still open to capitalist policies. Ho Chi Minh, while a committed revolutionary, was still subjected to nationalism and support from the PRC. So there are a number of legitimate reasons why none of these "non-whites" aren't voted as favorites.

When reading books or articles about marxism and it's influence, I often am annoyed at the way they often go on and on about Russia and Europe, but hardly mention Mao or other asian uprisings.
What books are you reading, out of curiousity?

Mao is extremily influential, especially in asia and third world countries, yet it seems a lot of western people do not care.
Of course we care, in fact on this forum members such as Comrade Alastair have been making various threads and posts on revolutionary activity on countries such as Nepal and India. Maoist parties and guerillas are highly relevant in third world semi-industrialized nations and any serious Marxist should take note of the progress being made to eliminate reactionary elements of society and build-up of the revolutionary process.

So yeah, it seems there is some disrespect or disregard to oriental cultures in these parts. Shown also in the way people were dissing Vietnam carelessly
Absolutely not. We support the anti-capitalist struggles of the oppressed that take place in every nation. So why the paranoia about the support of certain revolutionaries over others?

[Killfacer]

Why the hell isn't Durutti there? I vote Durutti all the way.

[genstrike]

Durruti or maybe Big Bill Haywood

But if I had to pick one off the list, it would be Zapata or Marcos.

[Woland]

I love em all <3

[Pogue]

It is strange how the most popular options are all white, and the least popular (Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Mandela, Zapata) are all non-white. The left is very anti-racist, but it seems that a lot of communists in the west care more about the european side of things than anywhere else. When reading books or articles about marxism and it's influence, I often am annoyed at the way they often go on and on about Russia and Europe, but hardly mention Mao or other asian uprisings. Mao is extremily influential, especially in asia and third world countries, yet it seems a lot of western people do not care. He is a hero to me, as he is the last great thinker and revolutionary, and possibly the most influential person of the 20th century (or one of them), a time other highly significant people were all white. still are

So yeah, it seems there is some disrespect or disregard to oriental cultures in these parts. Shown also in the way people were dissing Vietnam carelessly

You're an idiot.

[Pogue]

And if you think Che was a Stalinist you need to read more. All sources on him in the latter years of his life point towards him being highly critical of Stalin. Don't base your opinions on that one quote from a letter he wrote in which he 'swore on a protrait of our great comrade stalin'. He changed. Fidel Castro explains this in his book Fidel Castro: My Life. And I think Castro knew Che better than anyone.

[Tower of Bebel]

It is strange how the most popular options are all white, and the least popular (Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Mandela, Zapata) are all non-white. The left is very anti-racist, but it seems that a lot of communists in the west care more about the european side of things than anywhere else. When reading books or articles about marxism and it's influence, I often am annoyed at the way they often go on and on about Russia and Europe, but hardly mention Mao or other asian uprisings. Mao is extremily influential, especially in asia and third world countries, yet it seems a lot of western people do not care. He is a hero to me, as he is the last great thinker and revolutionary, and possibly the most influential person of the 20th century (or one of them), a time other highly significant people were all white.
That's because (I guess)

1. The dominating world vision is that of the ruling class, and since capitalism is born in the West it is mostly a western domination
2. The West was the first to witness the birth of the working class and therefor it is not a surprise that most socialist theories and theoreticians came from the West.

[RedSabine]

2.Stalin as a builder of the socialist superstate-the Soviet Union.


now I'm sad...:(

[Soviet]

now I'm sad...:(
It will soon be over!:)

[RedSabine]

It will soon be over!:)

What will? Life?!? I certainly hope not, I'm somewhat enjoying this one...

[Hessian Peel]

Che was the ultimate socialist.

But Irish Republican Socialists are baby-eating Stalinist monsters. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Pogue]

But Irish Republican Socialists are baby-eating Stalinist monsters. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Yeh because Che didn't fight a war by planting bombs and letting it kill whoever happened to be nearby. :)

[Killfacer]

I would have voted John Mcain. Because he's a maverick.

[JamilD]

Can't decide between Trotzky and Castro!

[not_of_this_world]

Hugo Chavez because he is a contemporary revolutionary who spit it Bush's devilish face! Not the only reason of course but he has had to deal with globalism which is rooted in capitalism which none of the other revolutionaries had to deal with. Chavez has been in prison, an officer in the military, a dutiful son and father and a lover by the way. He battles this very moment with land owners and US infiltrates that want to derail his socialist revolution. He remains dedicated to the peasants and common folk of the street and they love him as much as I do. Viva la Revolucion in action. You must see the film The Revolution Will Not Be Televised to get a sense of this love for this man who is head and shoulders above any ruler alive today. Bless his revolutionary soul!

[Pogue]

I'm glad you left Stalin off. He was no revolutionary.

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

I have to note you forgot Stalin.

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

I'm glad you left Stalin off. He was no revolutionary.
Yes he was.
He defeated Trotsky's counterrevolutionary plot.

[Soviet]

What will? Life?!? I certainly hope not, I'm somewhat enjoying this one...
No,your sadness!Buck up,old man,things can't be all that bad!;)

[Led Zeppelin]

Yes he was.

No he wasn't, Stalin was a reactionary doooooooouchebaaaaaag.

[Soviet]

I'm glad you left Stalin off. He was no revolutionary.
Certainly he was!
By the way,there is a poll ("Name of Russia")where people votes for great russians.After 20 years of antistalin's hysteria Stalin is on the 3d plase now!
You must take the opinion of russians into consideration.

[Hessian Peel]

Yeh because Che didn't fight a war by planting bombs and letting it kill whoever happened to be nearby. :)

No you idolise Ché because he was sexy and the Latin American struggles are trendy whereas Republicans were at war with your country and Ireland lacks that kind of sex appeal.

[Killfacer]

Certainly he was!
By the way,there is a poll ("Name of Russia")where people votes for great russians.After 20 years of antistalin's hysteria Stalin is on the 3d plase now!
You must take the opinion of russians into consideration.

It's irrelevant what country you're from, just because there is some sentimental nonsense coming out of Russia, it does not negate the fact that he was a vile despot.

[Tower of Bebel]

Certainly he was!
By the way,there is a poll ("Name of Russia")where people votes for great russians.After 20 years of antistalin's hysteria Stalin is on the 3d plase now!
You must take the opinion of russians into consideration.
That's not really an argument. Or are you absolutely sure about the reason why they vote Stalin?

[hugsandmarxism]

They're all important figures, but as for a favorite revolutionary... I don't know.

[el comandante]

Fidel. The greatest man of the century for me. He has been untiring in fighting for socialism and has shown more solidarity with the third world than is easily comprehended.

[scarletghoul]

Still don't understand why Subcomandante Marcos is there

[Jorge Miguel]

I don't have a "favorite". This isn't a popularity contest.

[AngelCity Neo-Stalinist]

If Mandela's on the list then where Kim Il Sung?Why isn't he on the list man? Or what about the dudes in the Pathet Lao, the'yre revolution is still going today.

[Soviet]

it does not negate the fact that he was a vile despot.
It is not a fact but a stamp of bourgeois propaganda.

[Soviet]

That's not really an argument. Or are you absolutely sure about the reason why they vote Stalin?
The opinion of russian people is not an argument?Then what is an argument?The opinioin of strangers?
And what's wrong about the reason why they vote Stalin?What do you suspect?

[scarletghoul]

It saddens me not so much that the russians are more proud of Stalin than Lenin, but that they are more proud of their politicians than of many great russian artists composers and writers. Russia has produced many of the worlds greatest artists, in all art forms.

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

It saddens me not so much that the russians are more proud of Stalin than Lenin, but that they are more proud of their politicians than of many great russian artists composers and writers. Russia has produced many of the worlds greatest artists, in all art forms.
Quite logical I think. Politics rule the world, not art.

[AngelCity Neo-Stalinist]

I'm Still fucking pissed about Kim Il Sung

[Tower of Bebel]

The opinion of russian people is not an argument?Then what is an argument?The opinioin of strangers?
And what's wrong about the reason why they vote Stalin?What do you suspect?
I "suspect" because I'm only happy when I see prove of the conscious and independent self-organization of the proletariat.

So I want to know why Stalin got the votes: is it some sort of revolutionary consciousness or are many Russians voting along chauvinist lines? Since you claim it is because (they know that) Stalin was a revolutionary you must have sufficient prove to back you argument?

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

I'm Still fucking pissed about Kim Il Sung
He should have been in there too.

[Victor]

I'm gonna say Che because he fought not just once for the revolution (in Cuba), but in Africa and Bolivia for it. He really strikes me as a true revolutionary.

[Shader]

Zapata... Since his ideology is the best to use in my geography.:blushing:

[scarletghoul]

Yeah, Kim should be on there. And Damdin Sukhbaatar, he was cool.

But more importantly, the list is missing Sun Yat-Sen! He was awesome! the father of modern China

[Pogue]

No you idolise Ché because he was sexy and the Latin American struggles are trendy whereas Republicans were at war with your country and Ireland lacks that kind of sex appeal.

I have no country.

[Jorge Miguel]

I have no country.Okay, now address the issue.

[Revolutionary Youth]

Ho Chi Minh for sure.

He has brought peace, justice and freedom to the people of Vietnam by pwning the French colonist and his contribution to the Vietnam war against US is undoubtedly greater than anything.

Even now, the HCM Communist Youth Union lives and works under Ho Chi Minh's ideology.

[BIG BROTHER]

Mine is Che Guevara, he in my opinion might not have the best theoretical views, but he did have the heart of a true revolutionary dedicated to his cause.

[scarletghoul]

Ho Chi Minh for sure.

He has brought peace, justice and freedom to the people of Vietnam by pwning the French colonist and his contribution to the Vietnam war against US is undoubtedly greater than anything.
Vo Nguyen Giap was cool too, he was a very good military commander

[Pogue]

Okay, now address the issue.

I don't believe the modern day IRA are fighting for socialism and freedom. Che, however, was.

[Eros]

I don't really have a favourite revolutionary, but Rosa Luxemburg and James Connolly would be up there. That said; I would disagree with Connolly on certain issues such as his support for nationalist Republicanism.

[Eros]

I don't believe the modern day IRA are fighting for socialism and freedom. Che, however, was.

There are certainly similarities between the two.

[Hassan-i Sabbah]

Lenin, Mahsum Korkmaz (a legendary kurdish guerilla commander) , Hassan Sabbah (not a socialist but a great revolutionary:)), Ibrahim Kaypakkaya (a Turkish maoist leader)...

[Soviet]

So I want to know why Stalin got the votes: is it some sort of revolutionary consciousness or are many Russians voting along chauvinist lines? Since you claim it is because (they know that) Stalin was a revolutionary you must have sufficient prove to back you argument?

Chauvinists doesn't vote for communists.
I think that the votion for Stalin is a form of a passive protest agaist the bourgeois reality.In the judgment of most of russians just Stalin embodies the socialism.You must consider that fact.

[zein al-abdeen]

Chavez + Trotsky + Che

because they are free from the inside

[AngelCity Neo-Stalinist]

He should have been in there too.

Thank you; I mean yeah sure Marcos wrote some neat stuff but him over a guy who's revolution suceded? I mean don't get me wrong: Lenin was perhaps the greatest man in history; but the soviet union fell(thanks to revisionist new class backstabers like Yeltsin and Gorbachev) but the DPRK is still alive and kicking in the face of swarming imperialism to the south.

[Soviet]

The results of the poll "Name of Russia" at 15.12.08 :
1.Аlexander Nevsky- 282 772
2.Jhosef Stalin- 281 589
3.Pyotr 1st- 248 766
4.Vladimir Lenin- 226 532 4

[J.Yuan]

I chose Mao because he was loyal to his 'continual revolution' cause and led people to revolt against the suppression and tried to free them from the exploitation of the emerging ruling class - the more and more bureaucratic Chinese Communist Party, of which he was the undisputable leader.

[BIG BROTHER]

Che Guevara is winning *****es!!!!!!

[couch13]

1. Lenin: lead Russia to a state of Soviet rule. Did the best he could in light of not having industrialized nations becoming socialist. Devoted his life to the cause and was the inspiration to many future revolutionaries.

2. Che: Gave his life in order to make the world a better place and an inspiration to future revolutionaries.

3. Trotsky: Saved the Revolution from the counter revolution by the White Army. Devoted his life to saving Russia from Stalin. He failed, but gave his life to the cause.

[Soviet]

Trotsky: Devoted his life to saving Russia from Stalin.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[paul c]

Trotsky all the way, he remained true to his principles and died for what he believed in. Though why aren't Luxembourg and Liebnecht on yhe list when counter revolutionary weasles like Moa and Mandela are.

[iraqnevercalledmenigger]

I feel the way you do about Mandela about Che and Ho Chi Minh. But that doesn't stop me from recognizing that Ho did honorable things in the fight against imperialism. So it shouldn't let you and others overlook the two decades in prison Mandela sacrificed for the anti-apartheid struggle.

[Karzak]

I will make my first post at this site a comment concerning this notion of "favorite revolutionary" though I do not wish to imply that Ernesto Che Guevara is indeed my favorite,or that he (or anyone else for that matter) should be. However,based upon the assumption that one particular revolutionary should stand above all others then this would have to be Guevara in that he died in pursuit of the revolutionary dream,as well as the fact that his image alone has become for all time the lasting symbol of the revolutionary spirit.

[Red Dreadnought]

Why have you forgotten Marx and Engels?

Personally, I prefer Rosa Luxembourg

[Red Dreadnought]

And I stay with Devrim, Che was just an stalinist:sneaky:

[Some Red Guy]

I voted Trotsky, as couch13 put it, he tried to save Russia from Stalin.

[Kassad]

And I stay with Devrim, Che was just an stalinist:sneaky:

I hear this a lot. Where is there proof of his reverence of Stalin or claims that the Party should be above the working class needs?

Everything I've read by him and about him suggested adherence to Marxism-Leninism and class liberation through guerilla warfare and class struggle. Where's your evidence to the contrary?

[Mike666]

I quite like Prachanda (nepal communist party leader)

[Brognor]

1st) Lenin! - My motherlands' saviour ^^
2nd) Ernesto "Che" Guevara - Stalinist??? O.o (I don't think so and even id he was he is one of the biggest Rebels in history)
3rd) James Connolly. In my opinion, not only one of the biggest Rebels of Ireland but of the whole World. It is said that Lenin admired him.

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

CHE hands down he is the the face of revolution.

[Invincible Summer]

Why are there no anarchists up there? You have goddamned Mandela but not Goldman, Malatesta, Durruti...

[Brother No. 1]

I voted Lenin for he destroyed the Tarist russian and brought down its unfair rule but i was split for chosing either Lenin,Mao,Che, and Castro but I had to chose lenin

[Comrade B]

Che. A middle class guy with a career set up for him who decided to devote his life to human equality, I can really admire that kind of man. He had plenty of opportunities to stand safely from the viewing distance, giving orders and viewing revolution purely from a tactical view. Instead he chose to be a guerrilla as well as a leader.

I am a Trotskist and a firm supporter of Ernesto Guevara.

[Angry Young Man]

Jimmy Connolley (sp.?). He reconciled marxism with secession.

-If you flew a green flag over Dublin castle tomorrow, we would be no more free of England than today without establishing a socialist republic. England would still rule you by it's banks and financiers.
What a guy :cool:

[Red Dreadnought]

In answer to Kassad. ¿Why do I thing Che was Stalinist?

1. He was minister of a Stalinist regim, and thus participate in mass represion; sometimes of may be "reactionaries", but there are evidences of homosexual represion for examples.

2. Guerrilla methods are not caracteristic of proletarian fight. Mass strike, worker councils, workers militia, etc. are proletarian one.

3. Their "criticism" of "bureaucreatism" in Cuba or in Soviet bloc doesn't question the very nature of this regimes. He tought there was a Socialist Field (URSS, Cuba, China)oposed to Capitalism, and that defend it was neccesary for proletariat and "opressed peoples"; even in case of an nuclear war. Left Communism consider the so called "Socialist" Field, was only an Imperialist Field, based in explotation: an State Capitalism regime.

4. His perspective of what was Socialism is the same of the Stalinist Paradigma: Socialism in "only one country". The program of "Communist" Party of Cuba is in the field of Stalinism. Objectivelly the line beetween autentical Marxism of International Socialism, and Che's thougt is cut.

[Angry Young Man]

Cuba wasn't/isn't a proletarian country. Lenin's key method was to infiltrate the Soviets, but given that Cuba was a dictatorial CIA banana republic, there weren't that many trade unions. Second - isn't one of the key tenets of guerilla warfare loyalty from locals? Ergo, it can't be criticised of not being a mass movement, just covert. Immediately after the revolution, Castro was adored of the Cuban peasantry - I read of a couple who had a photo of him next to a picture of Jesus. Thirdly, is there a prescribed way that workers should seize power? If you have one method of fighting, the enemy will beat you in time for the Simpsons.

[Rjevan]

Hm, close decision between Lenin, Ho Chi Minh and Subcomandante Marcos. I chose Marcos.

[Comrade Anarchist]

Che Guevara because he trully cared for the people. He wanted an educated society that could think for themselves and he died in the name of marxism and to this day he is one of the lone symbols left for marxist to latch on to.

[Angry Young Man]

I don't like the term 'latch' on.

[Das war einmal]

Mandela's South Africa is far worse than the apartheid Africa. there's a great John Pilger documentary on this. Also see Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine. The ANC came to political power through backroom deals that privatized all state industry and services. Though there are token blacks in high positions, the power structure is as white as ever. The common people are nostalgic for the apartheid days and refer to the ANC et al as "WaBenzi" referring to their sellout status and the fact they drive Mercedes-Benzes.

Gandhi was an anti-black racist and a paternalistic supporter of the castes, despite his claims otherwise. He also gets too much credit for the liberation movement.


Well I can agree that South Africa is not that great, but worse than former apartheid South Africa?

[BPSocialist]

Marshal Tito. He managed to form a strong socialistic state from the ashes of a war in which he personally fought.

[Vahanian]

His perspective of what was Socialism is the same of the Stalinist Paradigma: Socialism in "only one country". The program of "Communist" Party of Cuba is in the field of Stalinism. Objectivelly the line beetween autentical Marxism of International Socialism, and Che's thougt is cut.
:lol:

How Could Che have the view of socialism in one country. do you have any proof for this? yeah of course he belived in socialism in one country that why after cuba he went to fight in the congo and then boliva where he wanted to start to make the entire continent free of imperialism.

( I voted :che:)

[Rangi]

My favourite revolutionary was Te Whiti. He was a Maori leader in New Zealand who defied British Colonialist rule with acts of non violence, well before the time of Gandhi.

The definitive literary work on this is Parihaka: The Art of Passive Resistance

[brigadista]

Che because he was an internationalist and because specifically of his influence and collaboration with african and south american liberation movements
http://playagiron.net/ppr/cubang.php

Subcommandante Marcos
James Connolly
Patrice Lumumba

[Glorious Union]

Che Guevara. He actually fought for what he beleived in and gave up an easy life of desk work for hard fighting in the name of his beleifs.

[scarletghoul]

I wonder how many votes Che would have if it wasn't for that picture

[Blackscare]

No Nestor Makhno?

He's my hero :D

[Pogue]

Jimmy Connolley (sp.?). He reconciled marxism with secession.

-If you flew a green flag over Dublin castle tomorrow, we would be no more free of England than today without establishing a socialist republic. England would still rule you by it's banks and financiers.
What a guy :cool:

James Connolly.

[Blackscare]

James Connolly.


Funny thing is one of my best friends (who is a trot himself) is his (great?) grandson :D

I keep trying to get him to join rev left. So far he's only lurked

[Lamanov]

What a terrible list.

What about Anatoli Lamanov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Lamanov)? What about Maximoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregori_Maximoff)? What about Durruti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenaventura_Durruti), Ascaso (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Ascaso)?

What about Jogihes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Jogiches), Luxemburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg), Liebknecht (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Liebknecht), Rühle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_R%C3%BChle)?

Even Diego Abad de Santillán (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Abad_de_Santill%C3%A1n), who would become a minister of economics in the Republican government, was more of a revolutionary than any people on that list.

[PRC-UTE]

Even Diego Abad de Santillán (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Abad_de_Santill%C3%A1n), who would become a minister of economics in the Republican government, was more of a revolutionary than any people on that list.

someone who took a seat of power in a bourgeois administration thereby contributing to the defeat of the workers and peasants revolution is more of a revolutionary...?

[OutRider]

Tecumseh, or SittingBull for gathering the People and taking a stand against a capitalistic government and it's minions.

[Lamanov]

Me: Even Diego Abad de Santillán (http://www.anonym.to/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Abad_de_Santill%C3%A1n), who would become a minister of economics in the Republican government, was more of a revolutionary than any people on that list.
You: Someone who took a seat of power in a bourgeois administration thereby contributing to the defeat of the workers and peasants revolution is more of a revolutionary...?
Me: ... is more of a revolutionary than any of the people on that list, yes.

[Ema]

I picked Che,because not only he fought for what he believed in ,I relate to him and he is the oly revolucionary I´ve heard more of and let´s face it, the world still needs him.

[Lamanov]

I see people picking Che for the reason that "he fought and died for what he believed in".

Hitler did that too.

[Ephydriad]

Abbie Hoffman.
pity the spirit of monkey warfare hasn't seen much light in recent times...

[Luís Henrique]

Rosa Luxembourg is not one of the options in this poll.

Ergo, this poll is not serious.

Luís Henrique

[alhop10]

Rosa Luxembourg is not one of the options in this poll.

Ergo, this poll is not serious.

Luís Henrique

Agreed Comrade!

[mosfeld]

Thomas Sankara and Samora Machel

[Marxist]

My favorite is Che , anyone favors Camillo Torres?

[scarletghoul]

How come Mao has only 15 vote? I thought there were quite a few Maoists here. I guess I was misled by the number of antirevisionists

[Brother No. 1]

I guess Che is the most popular.