New policy - please read

[James]

New Policy.
'Spring Cleaning'

Threads that are of chit-chat (shit-chat) quality shall from this day fourth -> be moved to the appropriate forum. This is an attempt to bring a level of proper intelligent debate to the OI forum. If you can't hack this, then go to chit chat, and if your not allowed to see chit-chat then tough luck. I advise you go away or behave.

If you've got any questions, PM me.

* * *
i don't know if this shall be permanent; this is more of a trial i suppose.


Thank You.

[Smoking Frog II]

Sounds good; i like it :fuckamerica:

[James]

i'd just like to add...

It applies to all.
*hint hint*

(nah, please discuss it on this thread, i need some soundings)

[Capitalist Imperial]

smoking frog II just blatantly disrespected your mandate

[James]

i know. I've only just stopped crying...

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from James on 5:24 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
Threads that are of chit-chat (shit-chat) quality shall from this day fourth -> be moved to the appropriate forum.

You sure it doesn't just make more sense to delete them?? What exactly is the purpose of threads such as "England's Gay" in Chit Chat??

[James]

its shit chat to me.

I don't want to delete, in case anyone gets offended - also this way they can be brought back if i was wrong to move it in the first place.

Should i just delete then?

[Mazdak]

Your mod or admin now i see. Must I think up another billion alias just to access my own threads or posts now? However, above all of this, i dont intend to divert from "option number 4."

[James]

erm... i've been one for a while now mazy. I've just got more time now - so i'll be more active in this forum because it used to be a fav of mine.

Its rather simple though. Just keep up a good level of debate and we should have no problems.

[Anonymous]

Bastard. Leave us be.

[Mazdak]

Yeah, take option number 5 james!;)

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from James on 9:17 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
I don't want to delete, in case anyone gets offended...

I thought that was the last of your worries... :biggrin:

[James]

well i've gone and done it now.

I deleted a thread made by SM, aimed at me and seemed to just be a hate thread. So away it went.

You do that again SM, and life will be very hard for you on here. . .

[Anonymous]

Seig Hiel!

[thursday night]

Can't we all just debate nicely and share and enjoy each other's opinions?

[James]

that would be lovely. But some are here and obviously just want to flame other people.

Its no big problem, the chit chat threads get moved to chit chat. Whats wrong with that?

If you can't access chit-chat for whatever reason, you can't blame me. Right wingers have been alowed in, in the past. So it is possible.

This way the quality of debate goes up.

[thursday night]

Unfortunately, for a reason totally unknown to me, I am not allowed to post in Chit Chat or any other forums save for this one.

[synthesis]

Who's SM?

[Anonymous]

Stormin Normin once had the words "Storming Moron" written under his avatar. Thankfully, it's been removed.

[synthesis]

Thankfully, it's been removed.

Hey, I wonder whose responsibility that was? ;)

[Stormin Norman]

I do not agree with the censorship that is occuring here. Since James is the tool of such devices, he has come under attack by me. Some of my words have been quite unbecoming of me. However, I am so frustrated by the death of what was once a great place for debate that I have no choice but to commit cyber-suicide, by forcing the lame bastards that wish to nueter me into a position where they must ban me. I will not give the cowards the satisfaction of leaving, but I will no longer be apart of this charade.

You use to be able to post in Che-lives without someone else deleting or changing your message. What is the use of posting when someone can erase your thoughts soley because they disagree. To hell with this. I don't have the kind of time it takes to bother posting only to be erased.

Slaughter me like you have wanted to for so many months. Now is your chance, you deviants. Get rid of me once and for all, and expose your hypocrisy. If you are to cowardly to allow opposition, then at least be man enough to kill it off openly and honestly. Fucking mollusks.

[James]

feeling a bit full of ourselves are we?

I've deleted simple insults; if these are your thoughts then i pitty you.

What is the actual problem?

[Stormin Norman]

James is too pussy to even live up to his threats. You're begining to sound like the U.N.. You pansy. Go eat a ____!

[Stormin Norman]

{Old Stormin is a wee bit upset}

(Edited by James at 2:05 pm on Feb. 7, 2003)

[Mazdak]

lmao

[mentalbunny]

I don't think they should be moved to chit-chat because restricted memebers can't access them. It's pity that the rating feature fucked up cos then we could use that.

[James]

MB;

This is a forum for discussing opposing ideolgy and politics.

NOT for chit cha quality talk. I personally don't like the idea of chit chat, but its here. So all the chit chat stuff should be moved into there - its called keeping the forums tidy.

If a person can't access the chit-chat forums, then its their own hard luck. If a right wing member (etc) is seen to be polite, and considerate, then chances are they will recieve access to more forums.

[Stormin Norman]

(Edited by James at 2:56 pm on Feb. 7, 2003)

[Mazdak]

If a person can't access the chit-chat forums, then its their own hard luck. If a right wing member (etc) is seen to be polite, and considerate, then chances are they will recieve access to more forums.




Are you fucking kidding me. So the right wingers have more rights than the stalinists. Is this not the biggest load of bullshit i have ever heard??!!

[James]

hey, i've got no problems with you going into chit chat. In fat you've never really pissed me off.

Well done.

[thursday night]

Honestly I don't really care if right-wingers can post in Chit Chat or not, the thing is I cannot post in Chit Chat (or anywhere else, for that matter) and that is what weighs heavily on my mind.

[Capitalist Imperial]

This is the perfect illustration of the evolution from "marxism" (communism in the embryonic state) and actual communism.

[canikickit]

No it's not, it's a message board.

[Anonymous]

You're only killing yourselves here.

[Anonymous]

It lookes like Janie is on some kind of power trip. Oh well, she'll get bored soon.

[James]

Hardly. I'll explain again, and again for the last time. If you guys want to put your spin on it, be my guest.

The forum used to be rubbish. It was filled with pointless threads, and personal attacks were common. Contary to what SM would have wanted you to think - there was no debate here. There hadn't been for many many months.

The new policy basically states that chit chat quality threads shall be moved to chit chat. As music threads are moved to music, and theory is moved to theory.

Certain members have jumped on this, claiming that i'm attacking them. Cencoring what they've got to say.

Well let me tell you, if thats all you've got to say - boo fucking who.

If you can't access chit chat, there will be a reason as to why. I don't know nor care in many casses.

If you want to have simple "chit chats" get together on another message board, AOL IM, MSN, chelives PMs etc etc.

Anymore stupid coments and i'll get pissed off. I'm trying to be very patient, but theres a limit to my patience.

[Anonymous]

Now you've banned him.

[Rastafari]

He was fucking asking for it, begging for his sick little ass to be kicked out. We as a community will accept and embrace freedom of ideas, but complete assholes will not be accepted. Take that into mind

[Old Friend]

To vox,

Even though we had a healthy hatred for each other’s opposing ideologies, I never suspected that you were one of the moderators who sought to purge me from this site.

James was the guy who started editing my posts and blocking my access to thread I had created. When I posted valid criticism of his moderating powers, he deleted my entire thread. That's when things got ugly. I was relentless at trying to expose his Stalinist nature, albeit with harsh names. He continually deleted my criticisms of him; even those that were light on the names, and sound in nature.

When I realized that some Nazi possessed the power, and mandate to censor my messages, I saw no further need to debate, as the cards were stacked against me. At anytime James could delete my argument and claim that I had broken the new rule, which he has been so vocal in administering.

I am not one to bow to authority, as it usually rests in the hands of those who are less in character and intelligence than me. Ask my teachers, and the administrators of the schools that I have attended, for they can attest to this fact. I have always reacted to the rules meant to socially engineer my behavior and opinions in a less than accommodating fashion.

Although there is no excuse for some of the things I had said in an attempt to get banned from this god-forsaken web-site, I think the countless messages of mine that were deleted demonstrate why I committed cyber-suicide. I apologize to the respectable members of this web-site for some of the trolling I engaged in prior to my ban.

I know this message will probably be erased, but hopefully somebody will see it and pass the message on. I wanted the truth of the matter to be known by somebody other than James, for I know he will not expose the events that unfolded, unless they present things in a manner that weighs heavily in his favor.

I am currently searching for a new discussion forum I can call my home. When I find one, I will use one last guest post to alert the members of Che-lives (who care about my ideas) of my where-abouts.

Thanks to many of you for a stimulating time here at Che-lives,

Stormin Norman

(Edited by Old Friend at 2:42 pm on Feb. 8, 2003)

[Cassius Clay]

James, you say that you wan't the quality of posts and the debate to go up in this forum. That can't happen I'm afraid, simply because alot of us 'Evil Stalinists' have been restricted to here. Since I've been let back in I've posted about ten times, most of them being in threads directed against or about one Josef Stalin. Inevitably when these so called 'Leftists' face a opposing point of view or when their rubbish is proved to be just that they do not respond and continue to bad mouth everything about socialism in the other forums where they know they can get away with it.

As long as this remains like this then the quality of this particular board will deteriate. When I was first allowed back in I was fine with being restricted to this board, but now I see what has happened no one has to respond to the points made and as such they don't. Simply alot of people here are cowards.

Me, Thursday and Mazdak to name a few are angry because we have every right to be. Sorry if alot of our posts appear just angry rants but when we are restricted here for NO GOOD REASON and find that nobody will dare debate with us, you see are perspective.

To all moderator's let us back into the other forums, like it or not the issue of Stalin is vitally important to the left. You don't solve anything by pretending he doesn't exist or just push his supporters under the carpet you solve it through discussion, debate and research.

Surely you James, Malte and others are no better than what you accuse Stalin of being if you simply ban or restrict everybody who disagress with you.

I was banned from this place for two odd months for NO REASON, I was let back in and I did not create a fuss or complain. Merely asked for a reason and then said that I appreciated being let back in. Now though it has gone to far, this place has gone down hill and will continue to go down hill as long as it remains an elitist and frankly anti anything leftist.

As I and others wonder why we were banned and now restricted I see a thread in another forum entitled 'Jews and Communism' which is frankly a disgusting Nazi apologist. Yet the guy who started it from my knowledge is allowed to post where he want's and even has access to the 'Commie-club'. What's worst is not one of these so called 'True Liberal Leftists' objects to this thread in even the slightest sense. Ontop of this a few months ago one Anarchist (that was his or her name) remarked 'Sometimes I think Hitler was right' in regard to the Jews. Was this person banned? No not even any of the moderators warned him/her about it in the thread atleast.

But why are we restricted because we defend the one attempt at putting socialism into practice, sure it made mistakes but that is our crime defending the ideas of Marx, Engels and Lenin.

James you are right to complain about the quality of this forum. But why has it got so bad? The reason/s are obvious, you have restricted anybody who takes Socialism seriesly. Those that are allowed to post in the other forums on the whole haven't got a clue what they are talking about and are to scared to take part in any discussion.

Hell I will even give some Capitalists some sympathy and credit, all the so called 'Liberal Leftists' say is 'Fuck you Cappie' or some childish rubbish.

I think the people who run this board ought to question the purpose of this board. It says a place where admirers of Che can gather round and discuss. Yet the people whom are given access talk about who could win a fight between Mao and Bush or how Che is Jesus's brother. The one's who are restricted are the one's who defend what Che stood for.

Eagerly awaiting absoblutly no reply from the powers that be. Come on what you so scarred of?

[James]

I'll reply because i know he'll be back.

James was the guy who started editing my posts and blocking my access to thread I had created.

LIE.
In actual fact, SM started simple spamming some shit. You can see how it progressed if you really want. When it got to like a whole page of copy and pasted "ban me you wimps", it was time to start simply deleting the posts.

It should be noted that these threads he started up were actually him just personally attacking me.

Secondly, he didn't just start posting spam, but he started to spam other threads. People were trying to debate, and in the middle there would be "Your all pussies, ban me" pasted like 50 times.
Thus disrupting the thread, and causing people to actually ask "hey, shouldn't this be deleted?".

Looking back, i'm surprised that i didn't guess SM would try and spin history, to make it look like he's the poor oppressed weakling.

I should have not deleted anything. Then you could have all seen for yourselves what he was saying. But hey, when he started going on about abortions and me, i got pissed off.


When I posted valid criticism of his moderating powers, he deleted my entire thread.

LIE.

In actual fact, he made "valid" criticism, and you can still see it in the sticky thread on this forum. Its the top of page 3 i think.

After that he started his spaming and flaming.

That's when things got ugly.

LIE.
It got ugly when you started abusing people, and spamming.

I was relentless at trying to expose his Stalinist nature, albeit with harsh names.

LIE.

He startedcalling me names. And stalinist poped up eventually. Probably because he knows how stalinists on the whole arn't welcomed by many members on here. Thus trying to split the community to his advantage.

He continually deleted my criticisms of him;

Yes thats true. But it was hardly "constructive" was it. Remember in abortion?



When I realized that some Nazi possessed the power, and mandate to censor my messages, I saw no further need to debate, as the cards were stacked against me.

How has your debate been limited?
I NEVER stopped topical debate. You could even debate the new policy and myself in the New POlicy sticky.



At anytime James could delete my argument and claim that I had broken the new rule,

LIE.
I ONLY deleted your posts when you were calling me those VERY hurtful names, and the spamming.

which he has been so vocal in administering.

If you mean the rules, then yes. I made them CLEAR. I even tried to discuss it with you through private means. Through PMS. Remember your response though?

I am not one to bow to authority,

Because it means its not yours.

as it usually rests in the hands of those who are less in character and intelligence than me.

Which is everyone in SM's opinion.

Although there is no excuse for some of the things I had said in an attempt to get banned from this god-forsaken web-site, I think the countless messages of mine that were deleted demonstrate why I committed cyber-suicide. I apologize to the respectable members of this web-site for some of the trolling I engaged in prior to my ban.

I ONLY deleted the things that you too here agree were way out of order, and simply wrong to say/do.

I know this message will probably be erased, but hopefully somebody will see it and pass the message on.

haha, i can't believe this guy. Its so obvious what he's doing! and i was warned he would do this by GR, i appologise GR for not listening and taking heed.

This won't get deleted because its not spam, flaming etc.

I wanted the truth of the matter to be known by somebody other than James, for I know he will not expose the events that unfolded, unless they present things in a manner that weighs heavily in his favor.

LIE.

This sums SM up.

I am currently searching for a new discussion forum I can call my home.

Here again we see SM trying to woo the community. "poor normin, EVIL JAMES!"

When I find one, I will use one last guest post to alert the members of Che-lives (who care about my ideas) of my where-abouts.

See above.

Thanks to many of you for a stimulating time here at Che-lives,

Stormin Norman

Which implies he's not going to post again.

Wait and see though, he will be back. To spread his spin.

[James]

James, you say that you wan't the quality of posts and the debate to go up in this forum.

Yes.

That can't happen I'm afraid, simply because alot of us 'Evil Stalinists' have been restricted to here.

This is true, and i've not really got a stance on the matter. I prefer to remain out of this whole issue. For i find many of you guys intellectually stimulating, as i've told you before i remember; and i like your different side to the "way it is" as such. I welcome you posting.

Since I've been let back in I've posted about ten times, most of them being in threads directed against or about one Josef Stalin. Inevitably when these so called 'Leftists' face a opposing point of view or when their rubbish is proved to be just that they do not respond and continue to bad mouth everything about socialism in the other forums where they know they can get away with it.

I'm against the bad mouthing. Thus part of the new policy. The idea was to get rid of personal comments etc.

This applies to both the left and right.

As long as this remains like this then the quality of this particular board will deteriate.

See above.
I see the point though, when someone feels oppresed, they will fight back etc, as SM proved...

When I was first allowed back in I was fine with being restricted to this board, but now I see what has happened no one has to respond to the points made and as such they don't.

POst some links then and lets get them re-started! If you look, before SM started posting spam in ALL the recent threads in an attempt to attention seek and disrupt the board completley; then we had rather alot of left on leftist as such. And in my opinion, was rather interesting.

Me and thursdaynight were even carrying on the discussions through PM's as i'm sure he'll tell you. (which by the way, i am going to reply to - but first i've just got to clear up this whole mess)

Simply alot of people here are cowards.

Agreed. SM was one of these.

Me, Thursday and Mazdak to name a few are angry because we have every right to be. Sorry if alot of our posts appear just angry rants but when we are restricted here for NO GOOD REASON and find that nobody will dare debate with us, you see are perspective.

As i said, there was debate though yesterday. The best thing is to keep trying, and to resist simply giving into primative attacks. Such as SM resorted to. SM WOULD NOT BE BANNED if he hadn't taken it to such a personal level.

To all moderator's let us back into the other forums, like it or not the issue of Stalin is vitally important to the left. You don't solve anything by pretending he doesn't exist or just push his supporters under the carpet you solve it through discussion, debate and research.

I agree, and if this means i'm an outspoken moderator - so be it.

Surely you James, Malte and others are no better than what you accuse Stalin of being if you simply ban or restrict everybody who disagress with you.

Like i said i have had no part in these restrictions - and ask thursday night for more on this.

I was banned from this place for two odd months for NO REASON, I was let back in and I did not create a fuss or complain. Merely asked for a reason and then said that I appreciated being let back in.

I'll follow this up for you then.


Now though it has gone to far, this place has gone down hill and will continue to go down hill as long as it remains an elitist and frankly anti anything leftist.

There are right wingers still here, there are still stalinists here.

SM was banned, and suffered deleted threads/posts not because of political opinions - and the results of debates; but because he started spamming, flamming etc

As I and others wonder why we were banned and now restricted I see a thread in another forum entitled 'Jews and Communism' which is frankly a disgusting Nazi apologist.

I looked at this thread - it was rather interesting. It was basically a new member (i think) asking about its relations to jews, for different reasons.

Eagerly awaiting absoblutly no reply from the powers that be. Come on what you so scarred of?

Well i've replied to most of it (i can't reply to the rest of it right now). And like i said, i'll follow it up for you.

[thursday night]

If anything, James has been quite kind to me and has been amazingly reasonable when it comes to the whole matter of sticking us up in here. He could have just said, “Go away you slimy murder lovers” but he didn’t and hasn’t and has instead been quite kind and curious as opposed to being really stuck up about it. I want all people who come to this forum and are left-wing to be able to post wherever it pleases them, for this is what the purpose of this forum is, no? I’m not going to make too much of a fuss about it and I just hope the minds of the moderators will be changed when they see the illogic behind their original move.

Am I upset? Yea, a little. But whatever happens will happen. I really don't understand why those of us who defend the Soviet Union and other socialist states have to be locked up in here with the right-wingers but hey, I've said everything that needs to be said, right?

[Guest1]

well, I haven't been around for a while... but the one thing that I think is needed in any movement is healthy debate. I think that no one should be cooped up simply because they're capitalists, or stalinists, or any opposing ism. Just as long as they compose themselves in a respectable manner. We used to take votes on these things, can we do that again? Or did that also get forgotten?

(Edited by Che y Marijuana at 11:48 pm on Feb. 8, 2003)

[Cassius Clay]

James thankyou for your reply, I guess it's up to Malte to make up his or her mind. I actually think your doing a good job here, like I said I belief the problem is with the restrictions and bans. When I first came here this and many other forums were generally full of intelliegent discussion. But now look at us, dare I say this won't be the last thread made which is on similar subject.

Oh well once again thanks for the reply and I'm just glad one of the moderators has taken the time to listen and respond.

Cheers.



PS Stalin rules ;)

[James]

Its ok. And again i agree that restrictions do cause problems.

Also your right about this not being the last thread. From now on i'm going to lock the others and post a link to this thread. Its pointless having millions of little threads about the same thing. This way its more concentrated and more productive.

[Michael De Panama]

Stop being such a hardline fuck, James. Quit trying to control everything. You're single-handedly ruining the board. I don't give a good God damn what you personally think should happen with this board. This isn't your board to decide everything for yourself.

I'd rather see a powermad twat like yourself banned than some Stalinist or capitalist scumfuck.

[RedCeltic]

Stormin Normin Asked to be banned... what's your problem?

[James]

Stop being such a hardline fuck, James.

I'm not.
Now you try and read up as to what actually happened.

Quit trying to control everything.
I'm not.
Now try and read up as to what actually happened

You're single-handedly ruining the board.
i'm not.
hahaha,
How am i may i ask? MANY people have told me how the new policy has improved the board.
HOWEVER
Countless threads about the same subject DO ruin the board. Thus why i locked the others - sorry to ruin your obvious fantasy about me goose marching everywhere.

Please, again - read up.

I don't give a good God damn what you personally think should happen with this board.

I havn't even pretended to do so. God knows where you got that from... oh let me guess, SM is sending tearful accounts to you about how i deleted all his posts when he tried to debate stuff with me in a mature fashion...

This isn't your board to decide everything for yourself.

I havn't made a single decision without asking others.

I'd rather see a powermad twat like yourself banned than some Stalinist or capitalist scumfuck.

haha!
Powermad?

I'll repeat this again because you are obviously struggling with this concept -
h.e.
w.a.s.n.'.t.
b.a.n.n.e.d.
b.e.c.a.u.s.e.
o.f.
p.o.l.i.t.i.c.a.l.
or
i.d.e.o.l.o.g.y.
b.e.l.i.e.f.s.
o.r.
a.n.y.t.h.i.n.g.
e.v.e.n.
l.i.k.e.
t.h.a.t.


Are you going to go to "politics" now and tell GR how you think he's worse than Hitler?

[RedCeltic]

Stomin Norman:

You're always welcome to go post on my board.. :)

Because it's only partly political it's really open to anyone.

[Michael De Panama]

I wasn't talking about Stormin Norman, James. I was talking about the "New Policy" in general. Although I have not changed my opinion that banning Stormin Norman was an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Maybe I'm just ignorant. Link me to where we all had a vote for this "New Policy", please.

[Michael De Panama]

By the way, organizing the Politics forum into posts dealing with Politics is fine. I don't see what you're trying to accomplish with the Opposing Ideologies forum. There are too many posts I've seen you lock up that are perfectly suitable for this forum. The Opposing Ideologies board is supposed to be the one section where the moderation level is on low. This is the one section the capitalists and Stalinists are allowed to post. I don't see what you're trying to accomplish by bringing order to it.

[Old Friend]

If I were incorrect about my assumptions, why would some of my more notable work be disappearing from this site? What purpose would they have for its removal? I remember a global warming debate that I had won. Many of you may remember it. I dare one of you to find it now. I believe its been removed. I suggest that the Stalinists here are going to erase my existence from this board permanently. I have my own ideas as to why my work may have been removed, but I hope that I am wrong. We shall see.

(Edited by Old Friend at 10:03 am on Feb. 10, 2003)

[RedCeltic]

Stomin Norman:

The only reason I voted for you to be banned is because you asked to be banned... now you are posting under a different name. What's the point? If you wanted to leave than fucking leave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edelweiss]

I don't know why everyone is so upset about James' attempt to reduce the amount of flaming and to increase the quality of this forum in general, cause that's all he intended with the new policy.
Although I don't agree that there's a chance for right-wingers and Stalinists to get access to more forums than this one, that would be already technically quiet difficult. So no chance for that.

[James]

MDP;

Those threads i'd locked (and you unlocked) were locked because they were SPAM.

If you actually cared to look there was a link provided in each of them to this precise thread; why? Because its the same topic. DC was just saying "it ain't going to be the same" which i'm sure has been said in here.

IT WAS SPAM.

and when are you going to attack GR for his "hardline fuck" policy in politics?

As malte explained i havn't deleted any political threads. I've just got rid of spam - which i was moving to chit chat, but it was suggested to me (by GR believe it or not! hey, he's trying to take over the board isn't he...) that i simply delete.

[Old Friend]

If I were incorrect about my assumptions, why would some of my more notable work be disappearing from this site? What purpose would they have for its removal? I remember a global warming debate that I had won. Many of you may remember it. I dare one of you to find it now. I believe its been removed. I suggest that the Stalinists here are going to erase my existence from this board permanently. I have my own ideas as to why my work may have been removed, but I hope that I am wrong. We shall see.

James,

Are you ever going to address what happened to the thread that I make mention of above? What happened to that magnificent piece about global warming that I wrote?

Oh and many of the threads that you did delete were not spam, like you suggest. Some of them offered valid criticism of you, which you did not like. So you figured you could delete those and make up whatever story. You are a liar and a piece of filth. I strongly suspect that you are the one who erased my global warming thread, for much the same reason. You are an advocate for this theory, and could not stand the fact that I did a better job presenting my case. After all, isn't this what this ban is all about anyway? You tried to curtail my ability to speak, since you did not like my messages, and I simply reacted out of spite.

Congratulations, for I have been stopping in occasionally, and am hard pressed to distinguish this "oppossing ideologies" thread from that of "politics". In the interest of "facilitating" more thought provoking debate, you are doing quite the opposite. This site blows, and I can not figure out why anyone would choose to remain here and cow-tow to your petty authority.

You have proven my assertions about your nature to be correct. You, James, share the characteristics of the Stalinists so are so hypocritical in chastising. What you have done to me is similar to what you would do to me during a communist uprising. You have summoned up all of your cowardly courage, and shot me in the back, for fear of what I might mean to your existence. You and I, both know that I am better than you. This is why you hate me. I have no doubt in my mind that you would actually shoot me in the back if the circumstances arose. You are a worm and it has proven to be a great mistake to allow you into any position of authority. For you have no idea how to wield such authority with honour. You are a miserable disgrace, and a traitor to your spoken ideals. There is no honour among cowards.

Your superior,

Stormin Norman

(Edited by Old Friend at 9:53 am on Feb. 24, 2003)

[RedComrade]

Hello Norm, at the beginning when i first found out you were banned I was outraged how could a relatively intelligent veteran of the community be banned like that, i sensed something was up, then James explained you had flamed gave a couple examples and said he deleted the rest, well i saw most of my comrades siding with the ban and being caught in a rush of naievity i beleived James. A couple weeks later i was admitted to the commie club and while search though old posts there i came across this gem which unless James can explain has confirmed in my mind that your banning was political sabotage, here it is:

"ok, i just want SM to be banned because i relly don't like the guy. I think he's one nasty pasty, and i think this is his life. Ban him, and he'll get all fucked!!!hahaha "- James the thread was called time to ban the three big shot cappies and it is dated feb. 4th

Now unless James said this after you had started doing things extremely offensive it certainly seems like you were first sabotaged out of jealousy and than banned so that you would shut up, it seems your banning was pre-meditated and was not based on your behavior, needless to say this does not speak for left-wing behavior generally and is an outrage to marxists, this cowardly elitism is an abuse of the mod powers and untill i hear a reasonable explanation for the qoute i provided it makes me sick, on this one i am in solidarity with Norm, he should be unbanned this is outrageous and disgusting and Norm provided a very well articulated intelligent oposition i think it scared some people I also think debate on this section has declined rapidly since Norm left, RESTORE HIM!

(Edited by RedComrade at 10:02 am on Feb. 24, 2003)

[Anonymous]

"ok, i just want SM to be banned because i relly don't like the guy. I think he's one nasty pasty, and i think this is his life. Ban him, and he'll get all fucked!!!hahaha "- James the thread was called time to ban the three big shot cappies and it is dated feb. 4th

Now unless James said this after you had started doing things extremely offensive it certainly seems like you were first sabotaged out of jealousy and than banned so that you would shut up,...


SN started spamming on the 7th. So Norman was obviously right all along (we already new that) about James subverting reasonable discussions on this board in order to satisfy his own personal vendettas.

Oh and by the way, why would you want to ban CI and me?

[RedComrade]

Of course i am against banning you two i feel 4 out of 5 of the bannings are unjustified..

[Old Friend]

Well, Stormin Norman has broken another Che-lives record. I am the first person with over 1500 posts to get banned.

I am reminded of Star Wars Episode 4 were Obe Wan is cut down by the evil Darth Vader. Could somebody remind me how that turned out?


(Edited by Old Friend at 12:21 am on Feb. 26, 2003)

[American Kid]

What a mess.

What's been going on over here while I was away?

-Ak

[Old Friend]

Hey Redcomrade,

Do you think the paradox that they have created was also deliberate? Here is my thinking. First they create a new rule to rid this forum of "shit-chat" quality of posts, whatever that means. If they deem your post to be of "shit-chat" quality they then send it to the chit-chat forum, which has since been closed. This reeks of deliberation. Just think you could post your thesis about communism and have it sent to the dead letter room, or, like me, you could have posted an excellent rebuttal of global warming theory and have it erased. What's the point of posting? Come on, Malte. I think you are better than the petty fools you have running the show for you, because you never really showed signs of wanting to quash discussion. Then again, you are only as good as the people you trust.

[synthesis]

Malte closed chit chat WAY after this all started. Also, James implemented the policy of his own accord, ditto for Malte.

[suffianr]

Just mucking about here...sorry if this sounds condescending, but:

Comrades, please back up your posts with facts!

We get a lot of traffic here, and a lot of people curious about leftist ideology. So, in order to not make a complete arse out of ourselves, let's start supporting our posts with facts, statistics or whatever credible info you can come up with.

Let the "right-wingers, cappies, Stalinists and other misguided induviduals" gob off all they want, it's up to us to project a credible and well-informed image.

Keep it short and simple. Avoid cut-and-paste work if you can, just hyperlink paragraphs or essays. Trim off the fat, stick to the point. That's all I can think of...Cheers. :)

[ireallyhadablackout]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:09 am on Feb. 7, 2003
Seig Hiel!


dc, your choice of signature is quite interesting. i admit i just read it, just now, just this minute so im not totally sure what is being implied here. would you mind elloborating a bit on a single sentences or the entire quote itself. im really interested in knowing someone elses interpretation of it.

thanks, :)

[ireallyhadablackout]

Quote: from James on 9:17 pm on Feb. 5, 2003


its shit chat to me.



LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[ireallyhadablackout]

Quote: from suffianr on 1:50 pm on Feb. 28, 2003
Just mucking about here...sorry if this sounds condescending, but:

Comrades, please back up your posts with facts!

We get a lot of traffic here, and a lot of people curious about leftist ideology. So, in order to not make a complete arse out of ourselves, let's start supporting our posts with facts, statistics or whatever credible info you can come up with.



yes. and dont forget...giving them (us) something to think about. why should people believe everything they read here on the bb anyway.

also, people (not everyone) are stimulated by learning in small paragraphs and limited information...this way the board helps promote the readers curiosities.

last thing, its nice to read just enough play from more people than it is to read one entire subject by only a few.

i do admit, this bb keeps my big arse rolling on the floor with arthur, oops i mean... with LAUGHTER. :biggrin:

[Comrade Trave]

COmmunist nations... how could you miss tehm.their the ones that when ou sign up to fight for tehm and you get scared and run away when everyone around is dying turn around and shoot you for retreating...
sounds like a good form of govt. to have!

[Anonymous]

Quote: from ireallyhadablackout on 10:13 pm on Feb. 28, 2003

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:09 am on Feb. 7, 2003
Seig Hiel!


dc, your choice of signature is quite interesting. i admit i just read it, just now, just this minute so im not totally sure what is being implied here. would you mind elloborating a bit on a single sentences or the entire quote itself. im really interested in knowing someone elses interpretation of it.

thanks, :)



"Land, because of its unique nature and crucial role it plays in human settlements, cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore…if unchecked, may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes…social justice…and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interests of society as a whole…Public control of land use is therefore indispensable…
— UN Conference on Human Settlement, preamble to Agenda 21, Item 10.



It exposes the socialistic nature of the UN.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Comrade Trave on 10:51 am on Mar. 9, 2003
COmmunist nations... how could you miss tehm.their the ones that when ou sign up to fight for tehm and you get scared and run away when everyone around is dying turn around and shoot you for retreating...
sounds like a good form of govt. to have!


Uh...come again?

[Ghost Writer]

Stormin Norman’s Legacy

Its me again, the man known as Stormin Norman, the same person that was unjustly banned under James’s reign of terror. The same person who later joined as Old Friend, got banned again for no reason, and was forced to return as Commie ***** Slapper. It’s quite obvious that you are extremely intimidated, by me, for whatever reason. Although I have an idea as to why you fear my ideas, I must say that I am surprised that you would expose your own hypocrisy simply to rid my thoughts from your web-site.

Below I have listed a chronology of my time here at Che-lives.com, starting with most recent events first, and generally working my way backward. I thought about titling my post, then I decided to let you, the viewer open them up randomly. I was once a prominent member of this board, but it is obvious that the Stalinists, which masquerade behind the transparent guise of Marxism, have decided that my ideas are too controversial to exist in a forum dedicated to views held by the opposing ideologies. I do not wish to add further fuel to the fire that I have created, just to compile a number of the threads that I had posted in, and let the viewer decide whether or not my banning was appropriate.

Although some threads are better than others, I am sure that anyone of them that you open will accurately reflect who I am, as I was always honest about my beliefs. I guarantee that most of these offer some level of entertainment, as my genuine gusto was also present in my posts. Perhaps this is why I am hated so deeply by those whose purpose it is to crush the human spirit. My convictions and my freedom to think, as I do, are some of the most important aspects of my humanity, worth fighting for.

One of the reasons I was so zealous in my ideological combat with the communists on this board rests solely in their lack of the ability to understand my fight. They seem to genuinely despise it, for whatever reason. A convincing argument can be made that those who oppose me were less disturbed by the content of my messages, as they were with the strength of my convictions. This is evidenced by the fact that they support brutal dictators, and despise the United States. I am certain the reasons for their hatred in both my persona and the United States are much the same. The U.S. is willing to fight and defend what it feels is important to the fundamental ideas of democracy, even if that means going against the popular European view of the times.

After reviewing my older posts, I must say that I had a good run on che-lives.com. Enjoy sifting through some of my work and learning about who I am, and what I believe. Although you do not deserve to be honored by my greatness, this is truly the best method for me to combat what I consider to be one of life’s greatest evils. You are all a part of my legacy. Some of you may appreciate the fact that I have opened my mind to the general public, while others represent the great impedance that I have faced all of my life. As I feel I have done you a great service, you too have given me something in return. By stumbling onto this web-site over a year ago, I realized that I can not hold back my views and intelligence in order to bask in the comfort of anonymity. The genie is out of the bottle, and it can not be easily returned. You have unwittingly taught me about the power one can command in holding true to their convictions. Undoubtedly, I will continue to use this gift to accomplish whatever future goals I wish to accomplish. Thank you, for allowing me the opportunity to understand how powerful I truly am. Surely, even you communists will feel my future imprint on this world, even if you chose not to understand it, or show your appreciation. You banning me is thanks enough.

Under Commie ***** Slapper

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The Post that spurred the transition from Old Friend to Commie ***** Slapper (They Banned me for no reason).
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http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...c=1678&start=10 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=1678&start=10)
http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=574 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=574)
http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=568 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=568)

My First post as Stormin Norman
http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=567 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=567)

The Guest post that started it all!
http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=402 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=402)

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 9:05 am on Mar. 18, 2003)


(Edited by Ghost Writer at 9:37 am on Mar. 18, 2003)

[Rastafari]

Interesting, if not obsessive, history there, SN. While you are respected, not liked, by many people on this community, you destroy your whole credibility with sophomoric shit every time.

[synthesis]

Norman, you got yourself banned. Why should we let you back just because you ask nicely?

[James]

he's back again?!?

lol


I said he was pathetic and couldn't live without this forum. SM has prooved this time and time again. My reign of terror? hehehe... yeeeeees

[Ghost Writer]

So what happened to my Global Warming thread, James? I notice you have been dodging the question. Pathetic? Whose the one that could only win through the use of the ban? Whose the one that alters other people's posts? Whose the one who left for about a month, because they were embarassed by their Stalinist nature?

[Ghost Writer]

you destroy your whole credibility with sophomoric shit every time

Coming from a person who does not have any credibility, whatsoever.

[Invader Zim]

After reading through this thread of lies from Stormin Norman, I ask the question, why has his new Identity not been banned yet?

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from AK47 on 11:50 am on July 9, 2003
After reading through this thread of lies from Stormin Norman, I ask the question, why has his new Identity not been banned yet?

What grounds are there for banning him on?

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 12:20 pm on July 9, 2003

Quote: from AK47 on 11:50 am on July 9, 2003
After reading through this thread of lies from Stormin Norman, I ask the question, why has his new Identity not been banned yet?

What grounds are there for banning him on?

he has been banned twice before, it was not the user name being banned it was him as an individual who has been banned not his ID. It is inconsistant not to ban him again.

The reasons for his initial ban are no less bad just because he has come back under a different user name.

[Liberty Lover]

AK,
As I understand it he was banned the first time around for getting pissed off at James, who was editing his posts. Don't try and tell me that you'd not be pissed if someone did the same thing to you.

I propose that you wish to see him banned because he exposes brilliantly everything wrong with your ideology. None of you, with the possible exception of vox, seem capable of sustaining a coherent argument against him. Rather than expand your knowledge and challenge him, you take the easy way out and get rid of him. This is cowardice at the very least.

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 12:48 pm on July 9, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 12:46 pm on July 9, 2003
AK,
As I understand it he was banned the first time around for getting pissed off at James, who was editing his posts. Don't try and tell me that you'd not be pissed if someone did the same thing to you.

I propose that you wish to see him banned because he exposes brilliantly everything wrong with your ideology. None of you, with the possible exception of vox, seem capable of sustaining a coherent argument against him. Rather than expand your knowledge and challenge him, you take the easy way out and get rid of him. This is cowardice at the very least.

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 12:48 pm on July 9, 2003)


No he was banned for being a flaming troll... The James incident however certanly opened many people eyes to that fact. I would also like to point out the inaccurcy with your statment that it was because James was editing his posts. James was editing highly offensive posts by SN, which I would like to point out is the whole point of having moderators, to moderate the forums and remove offensive material.

I propose that you wish to see him banned because he exposes brilliantly everything wrong with your ideology. None of you, with the possible exception of vox, seem capable of sustaining a coherent argument against him. Rather than expand your knowledge and challenge him, you take the easy way out and get rid of him. This is cowardice at the very least.

Hardly the only time I have ever had a serious debate with SN, he quickly resorted to abusive flame rather than coherant argument. So I am afraid that your argument is rather like your political ideology, flawed.

You also state "my" ideology, I doubt you even know my ideology. So I suggest that you think before posting any more mindless comments.

As for coherant arguments, I have seen more sencible arguments from a 5 year old that I have seen from the combined regularly posting capitalists on this whole board combined.

[Liberty Lover]

Hardly the only time I have ever had a serious debate with SN, he quickly resorted to abusive flame rather than coherant argument. So I am afraid that your argument is rather like your political ideology, flawed.

What thread was this exactly? I very much doubt anyone of your limited intellect could compete with the bottomless pit of knowledge that is the mind of Stormin Norman.

As for coherant arguments, I have seen more sencible arguments from a 5 year old that I have seen from the combined regularly posting capitalists on this whole board combined.

When you make stabs on peoples intelligence it's generally a good idea to ensure your spelling and grammar is up to scratch. It’s coherent and sensible. Additionally, your repetition of the word 'combined' is the kind of poor grammar that I'd expect from a person the age you are accusing my posts of being on an equal footing with.


(Edited by Liberty Lover at 12:48 am on July 10, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 12:26 am on July 10, 2003
Hardly the only time I have ever had a serious debate with SN, he quickly resorted to abusive flame rather than coherant argument. So I am afraid that your argument is rather like your political ideology, flawed.

What thread was this exactly? I very much doubt anyone of your limited intellect could compete with the bottomless pit of knowledge that is the mind of Stormin Norman.

As for coherant arguments, I have seen more sencible arguments from a 5 year old that I have seen from the combined regularly posting capitalists on this whole board combined.

When you make stabs on peoples intelligence it's generally a good idea to ensure your spelling and grammar is up to scratch. It’s coherent and sensible. Additionally, your repetition of the word 'combined' is the kind of poor grammar that I'd expect from a person the age you are accusing my posts of being on an equal footing with.


(Edited by Liberty Lover at 12:48 am on July 10, 2003)


My dyslexia unfortunatly gives me problems in the spelling and grammar department, however it does not affect my intelegence.

I very much doubt anyone of your limited intellect could compete with the bottomless pit of knowledge that is the mind of Stormin Norman.

My limited intellect? How do you measure intellect? I.Q? Well last time I took one of those tests I got 133. Educational achivments, well I am an A grade student...

To put it bluntly, I may have a limited intelect, it does not however mean that it is not considerably higher than yours.

[Liberty Lover]

My dyslexia unfortunatly gives me problems in the spelling and grammar department, however it does not affect my intelegence.

I experience the same difficulties. The point was, however, that you should be sure to appear intelligent when accusing someone of stupidity.

My limited intellect? How do you measure intellect? I.Q? Well last time I took one of those tests I got 133. Educational achivments, well I am an A grade student...

To put it bluntly, I may have a limited intelect, it does not however mean that it is not considerably higher than yours.

In this respect I refer to general political, historical, philosophical, economic [etc…] knowledge.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 10:08 am on July 10, 2003
My dyslexia unfortunatly gives me problems in the spelling and grammar department, however it does not affect my intelegence.

I experience the same difficulties. The point was, however, that you should be sure to appear intelligent when accusing someone of stupidity.

My limited intellect? How do you measure intellect? I.Q? Well last time I took one of those tests I got 133. Educational achivments, well I am an A grade student...

To put it bluntly, I may have a limited intelect, it does not however mean that it is not considerably higher than yours.

In this respect I refer to general political, historical, philosophical, economic [etc…] knowledge.

I experience the same difficulties.

If you do experiance such difficultys then you should know that spelling and grammar are meaningless to an argument.

The point was, however, that you should be sure to appear intelligent when accusing someone of stupidity.

If you care to read through this thread you can clearly see that it was you who called me a coward and claimed that I was unable to construct a coherant argument, a blatant attack on my intellect. So please take your hypocracy somewere else.

In this respect I refer to general political, historical, philosophical, economic [etc…] knowledge.

My Historical knowledge I think you will find far exceeds yours. My political and economic knolwedge also is high. However I do not value philosophical knowledge, I deal with material things, ones which matter, not pointless wondering of "what is reality" etc.

[Liberty Lover]

If you do experiance such difficultys then you should know that spelling and grammar are meaningless to an argument.

We were having a flameout, not a civilised debate.

If you care to read through this thread you can clearly see that it was you who called me a coward and claimed that I was unable to construct a coherant argument, a blatant attack on my intellect. So please take your hypocracy somewere else.

I was defending Ghost Writer against your unjustified attacks.

My Historical knowledge I think you will find far exceeds yours.

Wrong.

However I do not value philosophical knowledge, I deal with material things, ones which matter, not pointless wondering of "what is reality" etc.

"It is not a question of whether man chooses to be guided by [philosophy]: he is not equipped to live without it."

"You have no choice about the necessity to integrate your observations, your experiences, your knowledge into abstract ideas, i.e., into principles. Your only choice is whether these principles are true or false, whether they represent your conscious, rational convictions – or a grab-bag of notions snatched at random, whose sources, validity, context and consequences you do not know, notions which, more often that not, you would drop like a hot potato if you knew. "

--Ayn Rand